EVs are faster, more reliable and cheaper over the long-run.ICE offered more capability over the horse and buggy. EV doesn't.
They also make robotaxis a viable business model.
EVs are faster, more reliable and cheaper over the long-run.ICE offered more capability over the horse and buggy. EV doesn't.
Range anxiety is something I really don't have with an ICE vehicle, considering the availability and speed of refueling. If I were to buy an EV, I'd still need an ICE vehicle for longer trips and realistic towing capacity. Hybrids make far more sense for general purpose vehicles. At least compared to an EV.EVs are faster, more reliable and cheaper over the long-run.
They also make robotaxis a viable business model.
Range anxiety will go away as Tesla's 4680 batteries take over and their charging stations keep popping up. They're expanding like crazy.Range anxiety is something I really don't have with an ICE vehicle, considering the availability and speed of refueling. If I were to buy an EV, I'd still need an ICE vehicle for longer trips and realistic towing capacity. Hybrids make far more sense for general purpose vehicles. At least compared to an EV.
As Level 5 doesn't exist, robotaxis don't either. Not sure what relevance "faster" has as they all operate on the same roads....
Apple is not a manufacturer of anything.Apple continues to gain engineers, actually.
Did you also think Apple couldn’t make a dent in the phone industry? They came very late to that industry.
Range anxiety will go away as Tesla's 4680 batteries take over and their charging stations keep popping up. They're expanding like crazy.
Also, most people will charge at home, not at a supercharging station.
If they move to an EV for that purpose (bragging rights), it probably won't be a Tesla. Maybe Ferrari's upcoming EV toy or the Porsche.Lots of people buy cars due to speed and acceleration. You see those BMW clowns speeding around and cutting people off? Those guys are all going to move to Teslas. Those guys buying sports cars are all going to buy Teslas.
Think about it. Imagine spending $1 million on a Ferrari and getting dusted by a 4-door family sedan - $100K Tesla Model S. You would feel humiliated.
Right. Just like phones, right?Apple is not a manufacturer of anything.
Unless they change, there will be no cost competative Apple Car.
ROFL, you're joking right?
Tesla may have the best and reliable EV running gear, but you must be quite the blind sheep if you've never heard of shoddy manufacturing defects with Tesla vehicles for YEARS.
But things are changing, and others are catching up to Tesla.
Uhhh... have you seen this?Other manufacturers make exploding airbags that kill people (Japanese), exploding EVs (GM), the numerous defects on Ford vehicles including the following:
- Transmission problems
- Roof flying off
- Braking issues
Compared to all that, Tesla's manufacturing defects are petty if not nothing.
Panel gaps? Those are fixed in recent versions.
Allowing drivers to play games while driving? That's been patched via OTA software updates.
Rearview camera cable wearing out? A very minor issue with low costs to repair.
Tesla is #1 when it comes to quality and safety.
Problem is that Apple can't use their "custom design" marketing when they're stuck with 3rd rate suppliers.Right. Just like phones, right?
4680 cells improve charging time. Hopefully we get some actual figures from Tesla soon, but I'm afraid they're trying to avoid an Osbourne effect by giving concrete facts too early. We'll know soon when the 4680 Model Ys get produced in Giga Austin.Will it? Trips will be a problem (considerable increase in time per vehicle to refuel/charge with only so many stations available). This hasn't been a problem yet as EV penetration in the market is tiny so far.
Towing will be a problem. Charging in an apartment complex will be problem. This isn't an improvement in capability of the same sort as the transition from the horse. EVs make some sense for the commute from suburb to city, but not as a general purpose vehicle.
This transition to EVs isn't happening purely organically.
Why would they move to Ferrari or Porsche when the Tesla trounces them in every way?If they move to an EV for that purpose (bragging rights), it probably won't be a Tesla. Maybe Ferrari's upcoming EV toy or the Porsche.
Have you seen the exploding Japanese airbags killing people? Have you seen the exploding bolts?Uhhh... have you seen this?
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Man explodes Tesla after mechanics charge $23K for a new battery
Finnish man Tuomas Katainen bought his Tesla in 2013, but when mechanics told him it would cost $23,000 to fix the battery, he decided to blow it up instead.nypost.com
Have you seen the exploding Japanese airbags killing people? Have you seen the exploding bolts?
You have 1 example of a dud from Tesla. Tesla's quality defects are few and far between; usually, they're petty, too, such as software "recalls" over letting drivers play games while driving.
You're not going to get better quality from another manufacturer.My tesla had a loose axle bolt that eventually came loose and caused my car to swerve all over the place on the highway.
Not to mention large body panel gaps, radio that to this day randomly stops working and requires them to remotely send some signal to my car to turn it back on, etc.
Love my tesla, but lots of defects.
Anything else? This isn't nearly as bad as an exploding airbag or an exploding car like the junk other automakers are coming out with.https://www.consumerreports.org/car...s-frunk-could-open-while-driving-a5013828418/
Here's another minor one for you to add to your list. #1 for quality and safety!
You're comparing operating margin to gross profit margin.Luxury cars have profit margins between 8-10%. The iPhone X had a profit margin of around ~64%. I don't see Apple wanting to break into a market with such horrible margins. IF this is real it is going to be so stupidly expensive nobody will buy them except a handful of youtube Tech reviewers. This is product will be simple Apple advertising and marketing, in a limited run product. It's going to bomb harder than ping.
Ah, my bad. But yeah thats the point I was trying to get atYou're comparing operating margin to gross profit margin.
But yes, your overall point still stands that the auto market is traditionally a low margin sector. That is why Tesla's 14.6% operating margin in the beginning stages of ramp-up is so impressive.
It’s almost laughable to picture Apple as a car manufacturer, but to me at least the car market in 2022 looks a lot like the cellphone market in 2007.
A huge opportunity for the “computer guys”.
If Apple does come out with a car, it will lose badly to Tesla. Tesla has the best manufacturing process. There is no way Apple, which relies heavily on the R&D of its suppliers, would be able to compete with Tesla when all its suppliers are 3rd rate.Totally agree. Was just saying something similar to a friend the other day.
For anyone still doubting Apple’s EV intentions, Sony’s announcement this past week all but ensures Apple’s intentions are real and not just click bait on rumor sites. While I’ll likely not be In the tax bracket to experience their take on the automobile, I get the feeling it - like the ‘07 iPhone - will make significant waves across the auto industry.
Will be interesting watching it all unfold.
Why would they move to Ferrari or Porsche when the Tesla trounces them in every way?
And Elon Mask was a financial guy, who operated Paypal. Google maps also has its share of blips. So what?lol... Apple is a fashion company, not a tech company. Whenever they tried to do anything technically difficult, they failed (Like how Apple Maps almost killed a group of bikers in Australia).