Interesting and probable scenario.
I have to see VR equipment by Apple to see how they venture in these new fields.
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I have to see VR equipment by Apple to see how they venture in these new fields.
It is widely known that tesla has poor quality whereas the opposite is generally true of Japanese manufactures. Yes, they have had issues (every car manufacturer has had some) and you are not making an apples-to-apples comparison. Toyota is manufacturing 10 million cars per year, whereas Tesla manufactures a fraction of that. You seem to also conveniently ignore the recent recall of half a million cars by Tesla. In addition, the Toyota airbags are manufactured by Takata - a supplier, and not Toyota.
Not just the traditional car maker, but new ones like Polestar and the likes.
Sony seems to be interested too. I am sure more from Asia will arrive.
The average daily mileage in the US is just 40 miles. So for most people, range is not an issue and in fact for many charging at home they might never need to “fill up” away from home ever again. Charging time is dropping too. The Hundai Ioniq 5 now charges 10%-80% in just 18 minutes. Range is increasing too. The Lucid will have a range of 500 miles. The record cross county cannonball run for an EV using standard public chargers is just 44 hours! Things are rapidly evolving. Expect Apple to jump in once the dust settles.
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Tesla has even bigger controversies coming.
Don't trust Elon's sale figures (or almost anything that comes out of his mouth) and don't trust the over heated zero-interest environment of the stock market.
It would not surprise me if a 3rd party involved in the debt restructuring who would have had access to confidental emails and other documents saw this about Apple and decided to leak it to the media, hence why we are hearing about it now and not before.
Tesla quality? ?
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Tesla's level is more like 1.5 instead of 2.5 It's a weak system that has relaxed safety measures so you can take/trick your car to take your hands off the steering wheel. Teslas Autopilot is the most hyped up automous system out there but even GM's supercruise beats it.
What are you talking about? I read your posts here and laugh my ass off. Can't tell if you are trolling or being serious but it's so funny at the moment.
Sony has contracted Magna Steyr do build the actual car while Sony did everything else. I guess Apple would do something similar cause that would be the smart thing to do.
Maybe, maybe not. I might have said you were right before but it seems car manufacturers are in a race to make the ugliest cars possible.
BMW have taken the trophy for that.
I can't see a way for Tesla to take over the auto industry. In fact that isn't their goal at all. They wanted to kickstart the transition to electric and they have succeeded in that.It’s going to be forever till Apple car gets here. By then, Tesla would have taken the electric auto industry by a big margin. It’ll be very hard to catch up for Apple.
Meanwhile, Apple continues to lose more engineers.
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Now that traditional car makers are going all in, mostly because many member states of EU are set to ban the sale of cars with internal combustion engines over the next 3 to 8 years, they will flood the market with alternatives at a much wider price range and take away marketshare.
This transition can already be seen in EU.
A company like Ford can vastly outproduce Tesla that uses "just in time" parts for most of their manufacturing and repairs. When the F150 Lightning launches they will probably sell more of them than Tesla can produce across all their models in its first year.
The big five might be dinosaurs in the auto industry but they are getting dragged into the 21st century by legislation.
When it happens Tesla's valuation will also reach a much more adequate level compared to the inflated one they currently enjoy. Don't get me started on Rivian, who haven't really delivered anything yet.
Tesla and quality are not necessarily synonymous. They've had a lot of issues with cars, an are no better than any other manufacturer overall.
Apple doesn't need Tesla. Other manufacturers are developing battery and power train technology equal to or better than Tesla. Apple could strike up a deal to buy components and have a 3rd party manufacturer actually make the car.
A the rest of the world's car companies get serious about EVs Tesla will find themselves in a very tough competitive spot. They may be more valuable as a component manufacturer than an actual car company.
Apple car is a long long time away. Wonder how the final thing will be.
The above Apple is doomed complaints remind me of the mid-2000s when the cellular phone business was hugely dominated by Motorola, Ericsson, and Nokia - collectively referred to as MEN in the wireless industry.
And then Apple came out with the iPhone and their "marketing fluff." What, a non-mechanical keyboard? Poppycock!
Where are MEN today?
Look for superior battery technology and other marketing fluff features with Apple's upcomming electric car entry.
"Not so for the auto industry where Tesla leads in too many manufacturing processes for Apple (Or anyone else) to ever create a compelling car."
Have you seen the Hyundai Ioniq 5?
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It’s not a matter of “if” but “when.”
Why would Apple not want in on the largest mobileOS device game? Did you see Sony’s EV announcement?
An Apple EV is coming. Buckle up.
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The guy you're quoting literally has written in his footer that he's got loads of money invested in Tesla. He's drunk the cool aid and has no idea how risky an investment he's made and he wants to keep his head in the sand.
Sure, Tesla had a head start but they've done very little with that lead. They never made it into the lower cost end of the market where a plethora of other manufactures have completely taken over and for now, they've been holding on to the high end of the market but are about to get annihilated by other premium brands who have overtaken them with technology in range, performance, charging times and actual self driving technologies.
Laughable, but likely in some form or fashion. Just imagine, No Radio, NO GPS, NO nothing, UNTUL you drop Your iPhone, iPad into the designated slot. Everything you need and use is right there at your fingertips, and it's all very useable and familiar to you.
It's going to have a TON of competition by the time it does come out. It WILL have to be a REAL looker with Great MPE (or whatever Miles per charge is called). It will need to have charging stations readily available, oh, so this is likely to mean, a current manufacture of cars, with charging system used by many other manufactures, and so much more.
I for one would love to see it, but each year that goes by without it, it becomes less likely IMO, that it will happen. YES Apple can and has ton some amazing things, but all have been in their wheel house (or real close), and a Car, that's not even close.
Should they purchase a current startup (say Rivian (not likely because of the ties to Amazon)), but as silly as that sounds, it's that or Apple putting their future, trust and name on the line with an unknown at this time. And while they can afford to startup a car manufacture themselves, let's not forget the current state of workers or the lack there of, not to mention Chip shortages (ok maybe the car is run on the M1 chip
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Tesla will get deserved credit for dragging the big auto makers into the EV revolution. I suspect history will eventually reveal that said dragging will have been their role in all of this. But their dominance, right now, seems more the result of they’ve been the only one playing them game. They were def first. But will they be last? It will be interesting to see where Tesla sits in 10-20 years - aka: after the Fords and Chevys and Hondas and Toyotas of the world get their EV game in place. Those companies have legit experience navigating the complexities that are manufacturing and delivering compliant autos at scale. Tesla is an amazing story. I just wonder the shape of it arch.It’s going to be forever till Apple car gets here. By then, Tesla would have taken the electric auto industry by a big margin. It’ll be very hard to catch up for Apple.
Meanwhile, Apple continues to lose more engineers.
Apple Car Project Loses Three Key Engineers
As Apple gears up to release a fully autonomous vehicle, it is continuing to lose key people who are working on the project, reports Bloomberg. Over...
Apple loses even more engineers from its car project team - 9to5Mac
Bloomberg reports that Apple has lost another three engineers from its car project, who recently left the company to join startups.
Who knows? I certainly don’t! It’s a new world… Super interested to watch this unfold.
I agree. Mercedes just showed a prototype with a 600 mile range. BMW's M electric goes toe to toe with Tesla's top end. Ford and Chevy are making trucks that will appeal to their traditional owners, as well as fleets.
Tesla is the hot cool thing but that is going to change.
Mercedes, BMW, Acura, Lexus, Honda, Ford, etc. will take a lot of marketshare as they roll out models. In the US, Ford, Chevy, GMC and Dodge will own the truck market.
They can survive, but the stock price will come down to earth as competition heats up and Tesla growth slows or drops. More likely, IMHO, is them being bought for their tech and patents. The EV credits will go away rapidly once the big players ramp up, and that will really hurt Tesla unless they can get and keep their operations costs under control in th face of pricing pressures.
I also think they need to rethink their sales model. Dealers provide wide access to customers by virtue of the sheer size of the network. Tesla's model may appeal to those at the high end who may shop where Tesla has a showroom, but that's not how most cars are sold. As more EV come out, Tesla is competing with local dealers who can demonstrate their products, are close by, and can deliver one now.
One intriguing area for Tesla is retrofits. There are companies using Tesla motors to retrofit classic cars. While as a car guy I find that a bit sacrilegious, the idea of keeping my classic BMW running and doubling (or more) the HP is tempting. It could even keep a transmission so you could shift.
A friend of son bought a Tesla. Fine around town, but after 1 roadtrip and challenges charging he's dumping it. That's the biggest challenge, perceived range limits. Until charging becomes readily available like gas stations today, people will shy away from EVs. I was just in Portugal, and the Via Verde has EV charging at almost every rest stop and rest stops are frequent. I would seriously consider one, especially given the price of petrol, if I could have a charger that would e available in my apartment's garage.
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It's that ready availability that's a big issue for Tesla. You have to *really* want one now. We've been considering getting a new car for a while and I've been looking at different options. While I'd consider a Tesla Model X, the delivery time was saying something like mid 2023. I'm willing to wait a few months for a car but not a year and a half, sorry. Not when I could get a BMW iX within a few months that's better in every way.