By the way it works perfectly fine on my 1st Gen mini. I would even argue that it's 8.0 is alot better than 7.0 when it was released
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Apple Ceases Signing iOS 7.1.2, Downgrading No Longer Possible
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By the way it works perfectly fine on my 1st Gen mini. I would even argue that it's 8.0 is alot better than 7.0 when it was released
Bummer…Apple had gone past a week of signing and I was hoping they'd keep doing it for a while longer.
Just rolled back a 5s to 7.1.2 on Thursday…phew…just got that in there...going to be a relatives 1st iPhone and don't want all the big (x.0.0) release bugs & nuisances getting in the way of the initial experience.
At least the roll back time period seems pretty defined now…you get about a week after initial release for rollbacks to the prior version and that's it.
It'd be nice to have full on support for the prior release or two…but its only for specific hardware. I remember they did security updates in 6 after 7 was updated but only for specific phones.
I believe iPhone 4 users can't be updated to iOS 8 (only the 4s), but Apple will probably update 7 for them with security updates (like they did last year) - so no functionality downgrades for them.
Just rolled back a 5s to 7.1.2 on Thursday…phew…just got that in there...going to be a relatives 1st iPhone and don't want all the big (x.0.0) release bugs & nuisances getting in the way of the initial experience.
At least the roll back time period seems pretty defined now…you get about a week after initial release for rollbacks to the prior version and that's it.
It'd be nice to have full on support for the prior release or two…but its only for specific hardware. I remember they did security updates in 6 after 7 was updated but only for specific phones.
I believe iPhone 4 users can't be updated to iOS 8 (only the 4s), but Apple will probably update 7 for them with security updates (like they did last year) - so no functionality downgrades for them.
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It does. When the OS is fragmented with many different versions in use then developers write for the lowest version in common use. They don't write apps that take advantae of the latest IOS 8 features because they want to largest possible number of users.
So YES fragmentation (what other people do with their phones) does effect you
I find it sad to see that some don't accept that not everyone wants to update their iPhone's, iPad's and Mac's.
Not everyone is feature focused and updates due to overhauls and new features. Some are happy with older updates like people still running OS X Lion. For some, iOS 6 is the best OS for them, for some, iOS 7 is the best and so on.
Let people have opinions and don't bash on them because they run on older OS's. It's their life and their own choice, not yours.
Not everyone is feature focused and updates due to overhauls and new features. Some are happy with older updates like people still running OS X Lion. For some, iOS 6 is the best OS for them, for some, iOS 7 is the best and so on.
Let people have opinions and don't bash on them because they run on older OS's. It's their life and their own choice, not yours.
Apple has a persistent bad habit of releasing new iOSs for older devices, forcing the upgrade, and not allowing downgrades when it performs worse.
The iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and Mini all take performance hits in iOS 8 for no benefit. If the OS can't perform BETTER it shouldn't be forced and the down grade shouldn't be locked out.
This argument has been made year over year, and Apple are still *******s about it.
The iPhone 4S, iPad 2, and Mini all take performance hits in iOS 8 for no benefit. If the OS can't perform BETTER it shouldn't be forced and the down grade shouldn't be locked out.
This argument has been made year over year, and Apple are still *******s about it.
I find it sad to see that some don't accept that not everyone wants to update their iPhone's, iPad's and Mac's.
Not everyone is feature focused and updates due to overhauls and new features. Some are happy with older updates like people still running OS X Lion. For some, iOS 6 is the best OS for them, for some, iOS 7 is the best and so on.
Let people have opinions and don't bash on them because they run on older OS's. It's their life and their own choice, not yours.
think different has become think same
iOS 8 problem on iPad 2
Is anyone else having some bugs on their iPad 2 Rev-A. I had iOS 8 GM which was working fine but with 8.0.2 now there are some stuff going wrong.
Is anyone else having some bugs on their iPad 2 Rev-A. I had iOS 8 GM which was working fine but with 8.0.2 now there are some stuff going wrong.
Agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I'm no noob, I was just lamenting the pace and pressure of today's dev environments. I was a programmer in the 80s and 90s in custom real time OS environments. Standards were higher and dev cycles slower.
I never upgrade to a .0 version on anything. Apple's removing support for previous iOS versions too quickly mainly for other reasons than helping developers avoid branching issues. Imagine the outcry if MS had removed support for XP the week after Vista was released and forced upgrades.
iOS devices are also used in production environments and IT mgrs need time to develop their own test bench in those.
Apple in 1984: "Why 1984 won't be like "1984"
Apple in 2014: "You will be assimilated... Resistance is futile!"
You're right, nothing is ever guaranteed…but they went just a little over a week (by a day I think) this year and they went a week last year…so it seems like its probably a set policy of theirs (a week)…
Which brings to mind…the best way to test things is to try the big .0.0 releases early (1st couple of days) so you can roll it back if you don't like it.
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The technology is ever so slightly better in 2014. I wouldn't exactly be nostalgic.
I like your example. As the years pass the less impressed I am with
and their practises, and the less inclined I am to hand over money for their products and 'services'.You might be happier on Android. Nothing could be more stable. No updates. Period.
I'll never understand this mindset. Why, exactly, should everyone run the latest OS? Are you afraid the Apple ecosystem will become as fragmented as Android? That's a legit question; not trying to be a smart-ass; it's the only thing I can think of.
When the SSL bug was revealed, I had a company-issued iPhone 4 running iOS6. I had purposefully chosen not to upgrade to iOS7, as the 4 didn't handle it very well. I was bummed when Apple did not patch the SSL bug in iOS6 for the iPhone 4; if I wanted a secure OS for that phone, I was forced to go to iOS7. I found that incredibly disappointing.
When I went to other, Apple-related forums (not this one) to ask questions, trying to understand why Apple would do that, more often than not, the response I got was almost nearly identical to SMIDG3T's response above, with a healthy side dish of implied "please shut the ******* up" to go with it. It was as if I was committing some social faux pas by merely asking the question.
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I disagree with you. I think his comment was well-stated, and didn't get the same vibes from it that you did.
I'll never understand this mindset. Why, exactly, should everyone run the latest OS? Are you afraid the Apple ecosystem will become as fragmented as Android? That's a legit question; not trying to be a smart-ass; it's the only thing I can think of.
When the SSL bug was revealed, I had a company-issued iPhone 4 running iOS6. I had purposefully chosen not to upgrade to iOS7, as the 4 didn't handle it very well. I was bummed when Apple did not patch the SSL bug in iOS6 for the iPhone 4; if I wanted a secure OS for that phone, I was forced to go to iOS7. I found that incredibly disappointing.
When I went to other, Apple-related forums (not this one) to ask questions, trying to understand why Apple would do that, more often than not, the response I got was almost nearly identical to SMIDG3T's response above, with a healthy side dish of implied "please shut the ******* up" to go with it. It was as if I was committing some social faux pas by merely asking the question.
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I disagree with you. I think his comment was well-stated, and didn't get the same vibes from it that you did.
Funnily enough the jailbreak community patched that SSL bug on older versions of iOS even though Apple didnt. I know its probably not an option you wanted, and its far too late, but you couldve looked into jailbreaking and staying on iOS6.
I still have my iPhone 4 on iOS 6. A few games and apps I purchased broke with the iOS 7 update for whatever reasons and were never updated. I wanted one device to still be able to run them, while updating my newer devices. With the reported sluggish responses in iOS 8, I think I'll keep my iPad 2 on iOS 7 for the time being.
My main problem is that Apple releases security updates for old iOSes only for devices that can't update to the later versions. So even though there was a security update for iOS 6 for the 3GS, my iPhone 4 didn't get it and instead has a Setting notification that won't go away telling me to update to iOS 7. Now my iPad 2 will likely follow a similar fate.
The other problem is that the apps that iOS 7 broke the functionality of are still available to purchase in the app store. There is no mention in the description that they won't work on iOS 7 or later. Meanwhile, the developer is still putting out other apps so they haven't stopped developing iOS titles, but are failing to update, remove, or state the old apps won't work in iOS 7. They even have in the details that the app is compatible with iPhone 6, which would be impossible due to it coming with iOS 8. Apple should have a system in place to deal with this, especially when the apps are purchasable apps instead of free or freemium.
My main problem is that Apple releases security updates for old iOSes only for devices that can't update to the later versions. So even though there was a security update for iOS 6 for the 3GS, my iPhone 4 didn't get it and instead has a Setting notification that won't go away telling me to update to iOS 7. Now my iPad 2 will likely follow a similar fate.
The other problem is that the apps that iOS 7 broke the functionality of are still available to purchase in the app store. There is no mention in the description that they won't work on iOS 7 or later. Meanwhile, the developer is still putting out other apps so they haven't stopped developing iOS titles, but are failing to update, remove, or state the old apps won't work in iOS 7. They even have in the details that the app is compatible with iPhone 6, which would be impossible due to it coming with iOS 8. Apple should have a system in place to deal with this, especially when the apps are purchasable apps instead of free or freemium.
Here is their "system". Buy a new device.
That they continue to screw over people by crippling devices less than 3 years old by OS upgrades that are pretty much forced on the average user with virtual impunity and with no real outcry is a mystery to me. I suppose the sheeple, both in the form of the unwashed and the lickspittle fanboys, are more than happy with this sad situation.
That they continue to screw over people by crippling devices less than 3 years old by OS upgrades that are pretty much forced on the average user with virtual impunity and with no real outcry is a mystery to me. I suppose the sheeple, both in the form of the unwashed and the lickspittle fanboys, are more than happy with this sad situation.
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our ipad 3 is still on 6 as hubby won't update it. We have two iPads on 7 as I won't update to 8 yet and my iphone 6 is on 8.02.
We enjoy all our devices and don't have any issues at all, except it have some crashing apps on my iphone 6 which Is why I won't update my Air or Mini yet.
We enjoy all our devices and don't have any issues at all, except it have some crashing apps on my iphone 6 which Is why I won't update my Air or Mini yet.