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It may well be naive, but it's not as if the parts for the iPhone would take up much space on a plane. Aluminum, glass and battery are the largest components and I'm sure available widely in most countries.

As for labor, it's not a skilled job to place components.

I'd have thought that a lot of component parts are readily available in the area of China which specialises and is geared up to supply the industry. If you manufacture in the US and have to order in parts every time you need them, then you are adding time and increasing inefficiency as well as cost.

Presumably it isn't just the manual labour of putting them together - haven't people talked before about a lack of engineers etc with the required skill / knowledge in the US?

Again, it would maybe be a little naive to think electronics firms just need a bunch of unqualified people of the street to do manual assembly work.
 
Don't bother. This individual trades one strand of bigotry for another (in this case, against all those damn bumpkin middle America dwellers). Hilarious that they can't actually back up what they are saying with actual facts, and instead consider their own internal biases as enough fact ("the fact is...") and justification to write and think the way they do.

To people like him, it would be nice if we could just get rid of everyone who live in between NYC and LA. Send all those backwards idiots off to a camp of some sort for re-education, and/or to be repurposed after they get left behind by the tech gods on the east and west coast. The ends will always justify the means, so long as the world is finally pure and wholesome. :eek:
Read how your America is treating those that are non white.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-places-that-made-trump-president-1478902160
What's confusing to coastal "idiots" like me is why you cannot engage in human dignity but instead resort to name calling and feces throwing.
 
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Read how your America is treating those that are non white.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-places-that-made-trump-president-1478902160
What's confusing to coastal "idiots" like me is why you cannot engage in human dignity but instead resort to name calling and feces throwing.

You aren't comprehending what I wrote correctly.

What I wrote insinuated that you regard middle Americans idiots. Not that you were an idiot. Please take a breath or two and re-read what I wrote.

Also that's a paywall and all I got was as far as a lady who makes dumplings voted for Obama hoping for change and didn't see it. Going to guess that her beef is actually with/aimed at Wall Street greed more than her fellow citizens whether she realized it or not.

Edit: The full story is on Apple News. As for the content of that, I think a lot of people in middle America wouldn't and don't condone that behaviour. From where I stand, the people who think Trump gives them a license to degrade other people are delusional and reaching/grasping in their interpretation. Part of this is due to Trump saying dumb things, and part of it is due to the media propagating some of the most extreme sound bites and adding their own biased interpretation into it, and then creating echo chambers to attack him.

Regardless, the country should be able to see through that and realize that it is toxic. It sure would be nice if Trump held a press conference or something and addressed that, AND addressed the concerns of the protesters.
 
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Dear Tim,

Please adopt a laser-like focus on delivering the high quality and innovative Apple products that we were used to buying up to about three years ago.

Stop making Apple Inc. your soapbox for your political inclinations and social justice diatribes. No one cares.

Waning Apple Fan
 
You aren't comprehending what I wrote correctly.

What I wrote insinuated that you regard middle Americans idiots. Not that you were an idiot. Please take a breath or two and re-read what I wrote.

Also that's a paywall and all I got was as far as a lady who makes dumplings voted for Obama hoping for change and didn't see it. Going to guess that her beef is actually with/aimed at Wall Street greed more than her fellow citizens whether she realized it or not.

Edit: The full story is on Apple News. As for the content of that, I think a lot of people in middle America wouldn't and don't condone that behaviour. From where I stand, the people who think Trump gives them a license to degrade other people are delusional and reaching/grasping in their interpretation. Part of this is due to Trump saying dumb things, and part of it is due to the media propagating some of the most extreme sound bites and adding their own biased interpretation into it, and then creating echo chambers to attack him.

Regardless, the country should be able to see through that and realize that it is toxic. It sure would be nice if Trump held a press conference or something and addressed that, AND addressed the concerns of the protesters.
Finally we agree. Thank you for condemning racism and sexism. That is really all what most on the left and coasts want!
I am not an Obama supporter, nor Hillary or Wall Street for that matter, but I wholeheartedly feel that racism, sexism and bigotry are wrong and should be actively discouraged. To the coasts, the middle of the country appears complacent with racism, sexism, and bigotry. What is needed is a louder voice condemning such behavior coming from within the red states or eventually those in the blue states will feel that they do not share similar daily principles and the "divide" will intensify.
 
Why would you even think that you get a "do over" if your preferred candidate doesn't win? That's probably the most "unAmerican" nonsense I've seen in ages. America isn't a banana republic (... yet). There's something called "the rule of law", peaceful transition of power, and representative democracy. For better or worse, Trump is it. He won fair and square until we find out otherwise. #GrowUp
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Want to increase your election prospects in the US? Talk about dating your daughter and deny global warming, apparently. Or why not gleefully celebrate torture or call anyone different a rapist. Land of the free and the home of the misogynist.

" ... why not gleefully celebrate torture ..." Hillary Clinton: "I came, I saw, he died". During a videotaped interview on the attack on Libya leading to the destruction of a peaceful nation and the death of its long-time leader, Muammar Qadafi. Oh yeah, Clinton also supported the Iraq invasion while the US Senator from NY in 2003, the Patriot Act, etc. Need I go on? She literally has the suffering and blood of millions on her hands.

No, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm an American tired of the impotent rage and self-righteousness fo the Progressive Hillary sycophants.
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Well - he will be looking after the elite won't he?

Did he not say tax cuts for the rich?

Failed trickle down economics.

I strongly believe you don't know what "Trickle Down Economics" truly means nor do you understand that you cannot tax your way to prosperity. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the Western world!! It also perversely taxes citizens working overseas for US AND foreign income and assets. Commerce, manufacturing, etc are leaving the US. There has been an uptick of high net worth individuals turning in their passports and saying good riddance. Even our beloved Apple Inc. doesn't repatriate it's foreign earnings because of the tax rates. How long do you believe high taxation will be in this country's overall benefit?
 
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Maybe we would care a little more if we weren't immediately labeled things like bigots, racists, and uneducated.

Then don't be. For some people (not all), if the label fits, wear it with pride. Let's be honest and call that campaign what it was, "Make the White House 'White' Again". If you believe you're being unfairly labeled, then you haven't been paying attention to what the majority of Trump supporters (and Trump) have been shouting since day 1.
 
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You were the one supporting racism and bigotry, not me or many other folks on the coast. The fact is that we are headed for another civil war as the middle of the country gets left behind in the technological revolution. Believe what you want. For you to not understand why so many folks are angry about the blatant disregard of human rights and decency is par for course.
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Hopefully just uninformed.


Most comes from the north of the state. The Colorado river touches the southern part and that is used for water hungry socal.
I have no special interest in California but this whole thing started when someone attached my suggestion that Tim Cook and company could secede from the nation if needed. This is echoed in the major national papers so is not something I just pulled from nowhere. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6cc602-a6d9-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html


I think you were trying to aim at me. Fact is when the north fought the south not everyone in the south believed in slavery. But southerners were still southerners. Just like the middle of the country will largely be thought of as engaging in blatant bigotry and sexism.
If you don't like it why do you allow the KKK to hold rallies in your state of Indiana or shelter a past grand dragon?
http://www.wdrb.com/story/33163768/...l-college-to-counter-protest-with-peace-rally
Give me a break, I didn't ask for a bogus history lesson. I LIVE IN INDIANA AND THE KKK IS NOT PROMINENT HERE
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Reluctantly, I agree with you. The bumper stickers we'll be seeing will read, "Don't Blame Me, My Name's not James Comey" -or something to that effect. I did vote for her, reluctantly. I was actually more concerned about the House and Senate. HRC would probably have had every policy decision Monday Morning Quarterbacked with a "Well, you know Bill would have done this, or Bill would have said that..." that would have been exhausting.

IDK why anyone would want that job. You know who the real winner was? Bernie Sanders because now he can retire and live in peace, hopefully. This whole election cycle has been a bit embarrassing for me because it's my kid's first time voting, and it was a Presidential race. I was all, "Really, it's never been this wild and crazy. Except in 2000." There will be books written about this election.
I feel for you my friend. I'm 27 with no kids but I could imagine explaining this to a child would be incredibly difficult
 
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Then don't be. For some people (not all), if the label fits, wear it with pride. Let's be honest and call that campaign what it was, "Make the White House 'White' Again"...

Um, the White House, in case you didn't make the connection, IS white and always base been. Which if you think deeply about it, is why they call it the WHITE House.
 
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I wouldn't say never, but more so very unlikely. I've had a history professor say that the Electoral College is necessary, as otherwise, smaller states would just get ignored. Perhaps those involved could relook into this, but for the time being, I doubt this'll change.
My response was regarding the petition.

Will it change? Someday, but not anytime soon.
 
I'm in the UK. I'm sick of seeing Godwin's Law flouting people on Social Media acting like the Nazis have just swept to power, stoking up moral panics by massively overstating the 'threat' of Trump as if they love luxuriating in fear and despair.

Truth is, while most of the planet's been getting richer in recent decades as world markets have opened up, with fast-growing middle classes in the developing world, and the Western rich have got richer still, there's an exception to the trend. Western working and middle classes have been getting poorer and poorer since the 1980s both in real and relative terms. Governments 'left' and 'right' have simply ignored this and allowed it to fester.

Secondly, the educational system, public sector, a chuck of the media and culture has been in the grip of people that grew up with the ideas of 1960s New Left and have rammed this PC agenda down our throats. In place of shared humanity and universalism, these people preach a dangerously racialised politics, designed to cause division and conflict.

Obama was a supreme racialist, stoking ethnic tensions, while a chorus of far-left voices nagged people for 'cultural appropriation', scolded them for 'white privilege' even if they were dirt poor, told them they were responsible for all the ills of the world. At its worst, this identity politics veered close to the segregationist and supremacist ideas of old with groups demanding 'space spaces' away from 'oppressors' (white people) on college campuses. Yet no one complained about these dire developments for fear of the thought police.

The left needs to take the plank out of its own eye before throwing a fit over Trump.
 
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I'm in the UK. I'm sick of seeing Godwin's Law flouting people on Social Media acting like the Nazis have just swept to power, stoking up moral panics by massively overstating the 'threat' of Trump as if they love luxuriating in fear and despair.

Truth is, while most of the planet's been getting richer in recent decades as world markets have opened up, with fast-growing middle classes in the developing world, and the Western rich have got richer still, there's an exception to the trend. Western working and middle classes have been getting poorer and poorer since the 1980s both in real and relative terms. Governments 'left' and 'right' have simply ignored this and allowed it to fester.

Secondly, the educational system, public sector, a chuck of the media and culture has been in the grip of people that grew up with the ideas of 1960s New Left and have rammed this PC agenda down our throats. In place of shared humanity and universalism, these people preach a dangerously racialised politics, designed to cause division and conflict.

Obama was a supreme racialist, stoking ethnic tensions, while a chorus of far-left voices nagged people for 'cultural appropriation', scolded them for 'white privilege' even if they were dirt poor, told them they were responsible for all the ills of the world. At its worst, this identity politics veered close to the old segregationist and supremacist ideas of old with groups demanding 'space spaces' away from 'oppressors' (white people) is college campuses. Yet no one complained about these dire developments for fear of the thought police.

The left needs to take the plank out of its own eye before throwing a fit over Trump.
I hate to say this as someone who supported the left for years - while I don't agree 100% you make some very good points.
 
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This is an example of the kind of empty neoliberal rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.

A company that touts diversity, yet from an economic standpoint, shuts so many people out.

Dr. King was about racial AND economic justice, a Civil Rights Movement AND a Poor People's Campaign, but Tim Cook and his mealy-mouthed subordinates wouldn't understand that.
you expose your own ignorance by using words that you don't even know the meaning of.
"Neoliberal" does not mean what you think it means.

"Neoliberalism is a policy model of social studies and economics that transfers control of economic factors to the private sector from the public sector."
Most Republicans, including Donald Turnip, are neoliberal.
 
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See, this is what I don't get. If there are jobs in one area of the country, and people who don't have jobs in another area of the country, why isn't there any programs or something to encourage people to move? If there is any such programs, I've never heard of them.

The immigrants have the right idea. They are just illegal because it happens that they have to cross national borders to get to where the jobs are. But if there are jobs to be had, then maybe Americans should be moving to get them, too.

While that would make sense (to go where the jobs are) people want to stay within their circle of friends, family, relatives.
Even the immigrants move to pockets where their countrymen are.
Also, since there is no job security and not everybody is self sufficient, it is a big risk to move.

I can't see a minimum wage earner traveling across country to get a min wage job some place.

Not everybody is a good worker, has the drive or discipline to do what is required to move from a min wage job to say supervisor.

They are here, because in their country are either no jobs , no acceptable standard of living etc.etc.
I see a lot of them do extremely well, because they still have special labor skills and will get dirty or doing inconvenient jobs. They don't mind working Sundays or holidays and sweat.

I for one wish that USA would admit that these people are needed and come up with an acceptable program.
 
From where I stand, the people who think Trump gives them a license to degrade other people are delusional and reaching/grasping in their interpretation. Part of this is due to Trump saying dumb things, and part of it is due to the media propagating some of the most extreme sound bites and adding their own biased interpretation into it, and then creating echo chambers to attack him.

Regardless, the country should be able to see through that and realize that it is toxic. It sure would be nice if Trump held a press conference or something and addressed that, AND addressed the concerns of the protesters.
Thank you!!!

There are unfortunately a lot of Trump supporters who don't quite get this. This would be a huge (or, in Trump vernacular, "yuge!") step in healing the deep divide in our country.

Democrats and republicans both come and go. But some of the vicious rhetoric from both sides have done a lot of harm. And as President-Elect, I believe Trump is obligated to address these issues directly, clearly and publicly.

Edit: Looks like on Sunday, Nov. 13, on 60 Minutes, he did. Glad he did.
 
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While that would make sense (to go where the jobs are) people want to stay within their circle of friends, family, relatives.
Even the immigrants move to pockets where their countrymen are.
Also, since there is no job security and not everybody is self sufficient, it is a big risk to move.

I can't see a minimum wage earner traveling across country to get a min wage job some place.

Not everybody is a good worker, has the drive or discipline to do what is required to move from a min wage job to say supervisor.

They are here, because in their country are either no jobs , no acceptable standard of living etc.etc.
I see a lot of them do extremely well, because they still have special labor skills and will get dirty or doing inconvenient jobs. They don't mind working Sundays or holidays and sweat.

I for one wish that USA would admit that these people are needed and come up with an acceptable program.

Yes, moving to get a job is hard, and some kind of support system is needed. Which is why I think there should be some kind of program to provide support. And yes, Americans who have lost their jobs may have to take jobs that are harder and pays less than the one they had before.

But if anyone is saying "those immigrants took our jobs!" I think they have no right to say that unless they are willing to take those jobs themselves.
 
This is an example of the kind of empty neoliberal rhetoric that led to Trump getting elected.

A company that touts diversity, yet from an economic standpoint, shuts so many people out.

Dr. King was about racial AND economic justice, a Civil Rights Movement AND a Poor People's Campaign, but Tim Cook and his mealy-mouthed subordinates wouldn't understand that.

As someone who sits as centre left on the American spectrum (Centre right on the New Zealand political spectrum) it is about time that the Democrats had a good hard look in the mirror especially those in the primaries who justified their support for Hillary under the guise of 'she is the most electable' - so where are those people now? you know, the ones who said that it was foolish to support Bernie Sanders because he is unelectable? Funny how the 'Hillary is more electable' folks have magically disappeared. Accountability within the Democratic Party needs to occur and needs to occur swiftly.
 
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