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That speaks to lock-in and lack of meaningfully good/good enough options outside the walls

Innovation is a totally different discussion

In fact, the more folks are locked in, the less innovating Apple needs to do ... and we are seeing that play out

Nope.

People have agency and exercise it. Those who are unhappy with Apple can certainly and easily switch tech brands.

Can you list a dozen innovative products Apple should be developing? Should be easy.
 
Most people, given $74.6 million, would never work again. Why does he do it?
Timmy wants the world to show he’s altruistic and cares about the company so much he can’t leave. But if you ask me, it’s pure greed. Their product prices and exorbitant big profits are the proof of that.

Changed revenue in profits*
 
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That’s an insane amount of money. No one needs that much. It’s just greed
As I said before when @turbineseaplane said the same thing, does this apple to doctors, lawyers, celebrities, sports figures, etc? @turbineseaplan declined to answer. Or is this just directed at Tim Apple?

@turbineseaplane will never be able to answer the above or the question in the original post.
 
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Timmy wants the world to show he’s altruistic and cares about the company so much he can’t leave. But if you ask me, it’s pure greed. Their product prices and exorbitant big revenue are the proof of that.
I applaud apple for producing products people want to buy even with altruistic people such as Tim A. Behind the scenes. /s

And while you all are grousing about Tim A. Earning excessive amounts of money, good for him he’s making bank on it.
 
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I did it in the other thread:

These are all things that connect closely to Apple's existing technology, unlike the car.

Eh... Those are pretty ho-hum, and would be a huge distraction for Apple considering there are other companies in that space.

Apple is doing great with the products they have (and will be developing) and their 1+ Billion happy customers.
 
That speaks to lock-in and lack of meaningfully good/good enough options outside the walls

Innovation is a totally different discussion

In fact, the more folks are locked in, the less innovating Apple needs to do ... and we are seeing that play out

They are sort of skating by with the minimum amount of innovating they can, if one looks at it objectively.
That's a good business move, but not very exciting on the innovation and "pushing the boundaries" fronts
I always find it funny that some people fiercely defend Apple. But when asking and arguing with them about apples products I don’t see any reason. And then all of the sudden they tell they have Apple shares and how well Apple is doing on the stock market. Their interest lies not in the quality or value for money but pure money. It’s Timmy’s way of thinking.
 
Nope.

People have agency and exercise it. Those who are unhappy with Apple can certainly and easily switch tech brands.

Let me try again

There is functional lock in and friction to such changes (things like iMessage and Apple Photos) where yes, folks could change -- but it's enough of a disruption that they don't (it's a hassle, costs money, takes time, might cause communication disruption, etc)

i.e. they don't exercise choice like you're describing because of the pain points it incurs

This is one of the reasons governing bodies like the EU are trying to force more interoperability on companies like Apple -- it benefits consumers to be able to make the choice you are describing
 
I always find it funny that some people fiercely defend Apple. But when asking and arguing with them about apples products I don’t see any reason. And then all of the sudden they tell they have Apple shares and how well Apple is doing on the stock market. Their interest lies not in the quality or value for money but pure money. It’s Timmy’s way of thinking.

I fully respect anyone who holds the position that "they are shareholders and they care about Apple financial performance above all other concerns"

I don't hold that view -- I don't agree that it's "best" -- but I very much respect folks being up front about that being their position
 
I fully respect anyone who holds the position that "they are shareholders and they care about Apple financial performance above all other concerns"

I don't hold that view -- I don't agree that it's "best" -- but I very much respect folks being up front about that being their position

It's not about people who are shareholders. It's about people who like using Apple products as they make their life easier (and more enjoyable) to manage. And thus continue to purchase Apple products.

I suspect the overwhelming majority of Apple's 1+ billion active customers are not shareholders.
 
I fully respect anyone who holds the position that "they are shareholders and they care about Apple financial performance above all other concerns"

I don't hold that view -- I don't agree that it's "best" -- but I very much respect folks being up front about that being their position

I agree with you. Be transparent what your interests are but don’t pretend 💩 is a diamond 😂
 
Eh... Those are pretty ho-hum, and would be a huge distraction for Apple considering there are other companies in that space.

Nope, those are all categories with serious deficiencies today. I use camcorders at work, so I am very frustrated by the lack of development in that area. (DSLRs have serious drawbacks.). Apple weirdly promotes iPhones as cinema making devices, so not embracing the technology is bizarre.

It would take a lot of room to explain what is possible with any of the things on that list.
 
It's not about people who are shareholders. It's about people who enjoy using Apple products as they make their life easier (and more enjoyable) to manage. And thus continue to purchase Apple products.
I can manage to find my way into the kitchen, in and out of Azeroth, New Eden, and commute back and forth to work without wearing a set of Oculus Rift knockoffs. :p
 
I agree with you. Be transparent what your interests are but don’t pretend 💩 is a diamond 😂

100% -- Happy to have wildly divergent views with folks as long as everyone is open about their actual positions and debating in good faith

With Apple, I do think it also hits an emotional cord.

So many of us have been using Apple for SO LONG that it's hard to not believe the best about them. I started with Apple back on the //e and it's been quite a ride

Things change eventually, of course, with all companies and it's been hard for many super long timers to adapt to the changes that Tim has driven (I'm including myself here).

Some of it has been great ... a lot of it mixed. My main concern for Apple is the same as it was when Steve passed -- it's simply not product driven leadership anymore as that is not Tim's area of expertise, care and craft.
 
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Nope, those are all categories with serious deficiencies today. I use camcorders at work, so I am very frustrated by the lack of development in that area. (DSLRs have serious drawbacks.). Apple weirdly promotes iPhones as cinema making devices, so not embracing the technology is bizarre.

It would take a lot of room to explain what is possible with any of the things on that list.

Apple *trying* to get into the camera/camcorder business would be a huge distraction. Especially competing with Sony and other stellar manufacturers. Apple would fail in that congested market.

Apple learned their lesson trying to compete with Adobe (a company whose whole business revolved around image processing and color science) releasing Aperture.
 
Let me try again
I’ll try again as well.
There is functional lock in and friction to such changes (things like iMessage and Apple Photos) where yes, folks could change -- but it's enough of a disruption that they don't (it's a hassle, costs money, takes time, might cause communication disruption, etc)
The above is nonsense. Just some fictional ideas.
i.e. they don't exercise choice like you're describing because of the pain points it incurs
How do you know the pain points of the general population?
This is one of the reasons governing bodies like the EU are trying to force more interoperability on companies like Apple -- it benefits consumers to be able to make the choice you are describing
How does this solve any pain points. The eu got involved to give access to others to apples ip for free. Trying to reduce apples profit.
 
It's not about people who are shareholders. It's about people who like using Apple products as they make their life easier (and more enjoyable) to manage. And thus continue to purchase Apple products.

I suspect the overwhelming majority of Apple's 1+ billion active customers are not shareholders.
There is nothing wrong in buying the products that suits you best. But pretending that only those products are best is. There are so much better alternatives that give you the same experience. For me the problem lies in the fact that it’s getting very expensive to jump ship because Apple is making that jump very hard by locking you in and making it difficult to make the transition.

When you peel off those 1 billion + active Apple users you’ll find many of them using very old Apple gear.
 
When you peel off those 1 billion + active Apple users you’ll find many of them using very old Apple gear.

I did my part freshening up the 1 billion # ...having jumped from my long running Hackintosh to a Mini M4

(Base model w/ external NVMe -- of course -- I refuse to pay the Tim Tax on storage)
 
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It's not about people who are shareholders. It's about people who like using Apple products as they make their life easier (and more enjoyable) to manage. And thus continue to purchase Apple products.

I suspect the overwhelming majority of Apple's 1+ billion active customers are not shareholders.
There seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread. I don’t know the reason people use apple
products I know why I use them, my wife, sons etc..

For all I know people think apple products are the best of the worst. Nor do I know how many customers or shareholders. It isn’t relevant. I thought the pretzel logic couldn’t get any worse, this thread showed it can.
 
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Apple *trying* to get into the camera/camcorder business would be a huge distraction. Especially competing with Sony and other stellar manufacturers. Apple would fail in that congested market.

Apple learned their lesson trying to compete with Adobe (a company whose whole business revolved around image processing and color science) releasing Aperture.
Apple is at the same crossroads with Android right now and to some degree with Qualcomm in their chipbusiness too.

Qualcomm latest snapdragon xelite is faster than their A18 pro and the pace of innovation on the android side goes way beyond that of iOS.

Same for the AVP. Samsung and Google working together on a competing product and Google releasing Android XR where everyone can develop with is meaning a dead sentence for AVP.

There are millions of developers working on Android. iOS is closed and only Apple can, so it’s hard for them to stay relevant.
 
Apple *trying* to get into the camera/camcorder business would be a huge distraction. Especially competing with Sony and other stellar manufacturers. Apple would fail in that congested market.

Have you SEEN Sony's "current" lineup? Their top of the line handycam is 7 years old, and can only shoot 4k/30, compared to 4k/120 with current iPhones! The only thing it does better than an iPhone is zoom and low light.

 
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Apple is at the same crossroads with Android right now and to some degree with Qualcomm in their chipbusiness too.
They’ve been at the same crossroads for years.
Qualcomm latest snapdragon xelite is faster than their A18 pro
Yes according to Qualcomm. It’s not clear cut, but you hid part of the story. It took Qualcomm 12 years to catch up to apple in one aspect of the chip. Do you think apple, who are masters in chip design will let this slide? It will be another 12 years for Qualcomm.
and the pace of innovation on the android side goes way beyond that of iOS.
It doesn’t.
Same for the AVP. Samsung and Google working together on a competing product and Google releasing Android XR where everyone can develop with is meaning a dead sentence for AVP.
People have been wrong about apple for years and this is just as wrong.
There are millions of developers working on Android. iOS is closed and only Apple can, so it’s hard for them to stay relevant.
Yes and that is why apple rakes in the profits and Tim gets 76m per year.
 
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