Apple CEO Tim Cook: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Will Trigger 'Mother of All Upgrades'

[4Apples]

I am impressed with the new watch! Looks really nice and the operating system is amazing.. but I might wait for the 2nd generation. This one seems be a bit bulky plus I want to see what new apps will be developed
The new iphone is nice but we've already seen it lol.. I'm still not sold on the antenna bands but it's ok, I'm still buying the 64g! Great deal!

 

[kerrikins]

1GB of RAM isn't enough. At this revision the iPhone should have 3 to 4 GB RAM to remain competitive. The hardware gap has sufficiently widened so that apps will perform noticably better on Android phones.

As for Apple holding off because they don't want to force old iPhone owners to upgrade, wtf? Apple gimps the new phone because they don't want old phone owners to feel the need to upgrade? That's your explanation for the gimped RAM?

a) my first sentence says that I wish that they had upgraded it. You're aware of that, right? No need to lecture me about how it's not enough.

b) I said that other people - including developers - have pointed this out and it is plausible, imo. Apple supports their older phones for a long time. They may be wanting to weed out the users who are on the really old phones - the 4 and 4s - so that most of their users are on the 5 range and have better processors and better efficiency.

Why do you say 3-4? Most Android phones come with 2, with an upgrade to 3 in the 32GB model. I couldn't find a single one with 4... With Apple's efficiencies and their processors I think 2 would be perfect.

 

[jwestveer]

Not waterproof?

Not waterproof? Awww. I guess I will have to wait.....

 

[Trapezoid]

I just don't like all the arguments between fanboys in general, that's all, TBH.

I just wish people could learn to like all devices or consoles or PC's; regardless of OS or manufacturer, especially the ones who are of the evangelical type for both major mobile phone Operating Systems.

I can understand where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, it's just my opinion and I thank you for being honest. (And FYI, I'm not upset at you at all! ^_^)

There are very few true fanboys here. Most people just state their opinions and then get accused of being fanboys by people who want to generalize every apple user into one.

There are more people here who call people fanboys, than actual crazy fanboys. If people world actually read posts instead of trying to act like all apple users are the same, they'd be amazed.

You are always entitled to your opinion of course

 

[XboxMySocks]

Anyone know what time pre-orders will open up? Usually 3am EST.

Yeah I've heard this too.

 

[0098386]

So you'd want the devices to create their own ad-hoc network, ala AirDrop to stream content to and from?

There we go! But also the speed, uploading and downloading full videos over an internet connection isn't a good idea. Having the library show up and, once selected, transfer the file across temporarily, is much better. It's very efficient.

 

[jrswizzle]

That's true!! Nobody likes a bigger screen!! It's all about user experience!!


Oh wait

So here's my approach....

I've used a number of various devices. I've come to the conclusion that iOS fits my needs better than Android. So I will always prefer/get an iOS device.

There are always things that can be improved. But ultimately, I haven't used an iPhone yet that didn't provide a great user experience for me.

So I accept and enjoy the upgrades I get, all while being content in the meantime.

It's a really nice way to go about things....my blood pressure stays at a nice normal level

 

[0098386]

Why get all worked up and whine and scream about spec sheet numbers that ultimately don't improve my overall user experience?

But they do. Specs and stats are important because more memory means you can run more apps at the same time, less lag between switching apps. Faster processor means you can do something quicker. Why do you think Apple highlights this in their presentations?
Specs affect user experience.

 

[XboxMySocks]

Like previous year's, iPhone 6 Pre-Orders will begin at 12:01 Pacific Time. AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint's website's all read the same thing.

Perfect thank you

 

[jrswizzle]

There we go! But also the speed, uploading and downloading full videos over an internet connection isn't a good idea. Having the library show up and, once selected, transfer the file across temporarily, is much better. It's very efficient.

Ahh, so more like an auto AirDrop type situation.....

Interesting. I'll admit I've never thought of needing something like this. Honestly, I've always been a HUGE iPad fan and use mine for EVERYTHING.

But I'm seriously considering selling my rMini in lieu of the 6 and 6+. I'll use the 6 to replace my work 5S, and the 6+ will be my personal device replacing my slew of various devices I switch out.

Then I'll just stick to my refurbed iPad Air and replace when they arrive. But I don't see myself using my iPad rMini as much if I can get used to the 6+.

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But they do. Specs and stats are important because more memory means you can run more apps at the same time, less lag between switching apps. Faster processor means you can do something quicker. Why do you think Apple highlights this in their presentations?
Specs affect user experience.

I don't have any problem switching between apps or running a bunch of stuff at the same time on my devices. And any difference I notice in user experience from my Nexus 5 to my iPhone 5S comes from iOS vs Android, not the internal specs.

I've never once gone from my Nexus 5 to my iPhone 5S and said "Damn, if only this 5S had more RAM....my Nexus 5 is so much better!"

I get that specs matter to some extent. But I was speaking from my personal experiences. And getting all worked up about them never did anything positive for me, so why bother?

I've been content with my iPhones for quite a while now. There were 3 things I really wanted in iOS 8 - all three are happening. At this point, there's nothing I can think of that will make my experience better.

 

[darude908]

Ahem, I’m a designer myself (with more than twenty years of – no bragging intended – quite successful professional experience on my back). In my opinion the exterior design of the 6/6plus in many respects is way better than that of the 5/5s. What now, shall we call it par?

Anyway, to me that doesn't really matter. My new iPhone will most likely live in a case from day one. Since the 5 iPhones have become too thin/light/slippery to be comfortably handled without a case, for me at least.
This will probably be the case (pun intended) with the 6 as well.

On a side note: The most beautiful iPhone to date is the 4/4s imho.

Everyone's aesthetic taste is different. I like the clean balanced look. I don't think the 5/5s is that pretty. But I will agree with you on the 4/4s. They are the most beautiful out of the bunch hands down. But personally, if I had to choose between 5 or 6 I'd choose the 5/5s for it still retains that clean and sleek look. 6 on the other hand has the mismatch lines and the protruding lens. They could've done better.

 

[symphara]

But they do. Specs and stats are important because more memory means you can run more apps at the same time, less lag between switching apps. Faster processor means you can do something quicker. Why do you think Apple highlights this in their presentations?
Specs affect user experience.

Fully agree. I have a retina iPad mini, 128Gb + LTE, it was pretty damn expensive, and the lack of RAM is a severe shortcoming. I need to constantly kill apps, otherwise some don't load at all (e.g. Hearthstone), and the constant reloading of web tabs, frankly, is an awful and annoying user experience. Safari or Chrome, doesn't matter, it doesn't have enough memory.

Nothing in the 2014 Android world, except for maybe some under-$100 contract-free devices, is as bad. My ancient Nexus 4 is better at keeping web tabs.

It's incredible that iPhone 6 STILL has 1Gb of RAM, therefore it will offer the same crappy, always-reload, user experience.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Not with 1 gig of ram I ain't

yes it will. most people dont know what ram is and dont care. readers of rumor sites are outliers.

even as a tech-head, i dont care about the ram. on an ipad, sure. on my phone? not a big deal.

 

[oddnendz]

No I don't. Do I criticize anyone when I say that men buy men clothes and women buy women clothes? I don't think so. This is just me using logical thinking.

No, but at some point you are going to criticize the men who buy men's clothes and women who buy women's clothes as pathetic. (just bringing the point to the logical conclusion here)

my opinion, who cares why someone would want to buy the iPhone 6? Who are you to judge what is pathetic or not?

Will I be buying the iPhone 6? Yes. Why? Honestly, what business is it of yours? Are you trying to save me my patheticness?

 

[vtpmt81]

I think it's pretty strange that Tim Cook is continuing to intentionally reduce Apple's cachet by transforming what was once a solidly upper middle class brand into a brand that "sells" free plastic phones and phablets, a device specification reserved for the poor in both the 3rd World and Western nations.

Phablets are great for the poor, across the board, because one device can be used for multiple purposes; those with money can afford specialized devices to serve particular use cases. In the U.S., phablets are also a boon for the poor because most of them are obese and have trouble using their fat, greasy sausage fingers on a reasonably sized screen. For the American poor/obese, carrying such a large device around isn't problematic because they buy gigantic clothing with gigantic pockets; those with money tend to be in better health and to wear stylishly form fitting clothing that obviously is not accented with pockets larger than one's hands.

And I don't know who that watch is targeted at because the only people who still wear watches in any significant numbers are wealthy people who wear very expensive watches and they will not be trading them in for a novelty that only functions as a parasite to a huge phone made for huge poor people.

This just seems like another misstep in a staggering path of them for Cook and I'll be curious to see if the board forces him out in time to turn things around for the company.

At first I thought you were trolling until I saw under your user name that you are a regular.

First of all the iWatch works with the smaller iPhone 5 and 5s. So people with the smaller phones that are meant for the rich can still use them. The watch only starts at $349s - most of the poor won't be able to afford that and the subsidized $300 iPhone 6 Plus.

Apple seems to be charging $300, $400, and $500 ON CONTRACT pricing ($749, $849, $949 OFF CONTRACT) for their phablet. That price is not in the Android phablet Xiaomi Redmi Note, One Plus One, 5" Moto G 2014 territory.

Cook actually understands that people want choice and is delivering that choice. Apple can still control the software while giving its customers a high end small, medium, and larger screen phone experience.

 

[rovolo]

There we go! But also the speed, uploading and downloading full videos over an internet connection isn't a good idea. Having the library show up and, once selected, transfer the file across temporarily, is much better. It's very efficient.

Yes, that would be a nice feature. Nothing beats local for me too, for various reasons.

I think there’s still a lot room for improvement regarding connectivity between Apple devices. Good example is the new camera remote control feature of the Apple watch. Would love to have that between two iPhones: when traveling together I could use my iPhone as a remote of my girlfriend’s iPhone cam.

 

[xmichaelp]

lol who is he expecting to upgrade? i have an iPhone 5 and i sure as hell am not upgrading

Almost everyone else.

 

[mdelvecchio]

I completely agree. And no matter what people say, these are well-phrased comments. Like many others, I am tied in to the Apple eco system (for OS X mostly because it provides a great interface to Linux machines & X11). I also want to like the new iPhone. But these two models are simply not that far ahead of the best Android phones. In my opinion, progress has leveled off to the point that there is no pressing need to upgrade. And yes, greatly improved battery life would have been much, much more important to me than a bigger phone (which, if anything, won't fit as conveniently in my pocket).

get it thru your head -- cell phones are mature tech. since 2007, there has been nothing "revolutionary" about them, only "evolutionary". iterative improvement.

just like cars, just like TVs, just like AV receivers.

get it?

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Sorry, 17 pages, tl:dr.

That protruding lens? Steve Jobs would never have...

oh except they did it two years ago w/ the ipod touch. oops.

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Yeah, you're not understanding
Photostream sends the data on Apple's servers (Where you have a storage limit and size limit) and the photos are redownloaded to all devices.
What I want is completely local.
If I'm connected to the same network or within range of my multiple devices, they connect and share their media as if the content is already on the device. No uploading to Apple, no online storage limits.

Say I was deep underground in a cave. My iPhone is full of video files but I want to watch them on my iPad. With this kind of system I'd be able to watch those iPhone videos as if they were on my iPad.

I know there are apps (like VLC) that does this, but that's tied to video only. I want that functionality natively with all my media.

it's good to want things.

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Apps are just as great as they are on iPhone. Very little difference

not true. so many apps come either iOS-first or iOS-only. it's not insignificant.

 

[majkom]

Good luck with that. Mine doesn't do that and it's a jailbroken iPhone 5. I have Android devices with 3 GB RAM that crash too, it's not the RAM requirement.

Stop with the Steve talk, let the man rest in peace. Every time Apple comes out with something people dislike, they go "Steve would never allow this". Um, you do realize he had a 4 year pipeline of products, right?

It's totally NOT going to hurt Apple. The iPhone 6 will sell as well or better than its previous generation. Do you think the average Joe gives a crap about how much RAM a phone has? Seriously? If so, you are gravely mistaken. People want EXPERIENCE, not specs (aka: does it lag? Can it run my apps fast? Can I play high-end games?). The iPhone 6 will not lag at launch or with iOS 8.

LOL again, yes exactly, people want experience, there fore they dont want to see reloading web page every time they close safari for a second. - people dont care about ram, but here we hopefully can speak in terms of specs, not just cluelessly pointing on page reloads, somif average joe does not want reloads, he wants 2 gigs ram, deal with it.

As to the sales, of course, apple will sell tons of iphones, no matter what they introduce, they can even take iphone 5c internals, put into new box, name it iphone 6 best ever and call it a day - u can do it once, maybe twice and sell milions, but eventually you start loosing customers.. Decline usually is not a fast thing, it comes slowly and thats why it is so hard to see it and much harder to get back on track...

And that fairy tale about 4 years pipeline

 

[Lankyman]

Is he referring to "pants with bigger pockets" because I've not seen a single pair in stores yet, nor even a blurry image in a rumor thread?

More seriously, this is exactly why I think they also developed and launched a 5.5"- to hit the Android players right where it hurts. In one shot, they mitigate the biggest tangible reason to buy Android smart phones with the added enticement of iOS to boot. I think he's right: a lot of Android people will come back to iPhone.

Seriously, you think? I just crossed iPhone off my list of possibles. I will stick with Android until Apple catch up.

The iPhone 6 versus Nexus 4 ad is top of the views list in UK today.

 

[majkom]

yes it will. most people dont know what ram is and dont care. readers of rumor sites are outliers.

even as a tech-head, i dont care about the ram. on an ipad, sure. on my phone? not a big deal.

Same answer as to the other guy, people dont care about ram, but care about crasher and reloads... There were times iphone was top of the industry... There were

 

[Lankyman]

Apple was beating then just fine at 4", with revenue and profits that exceed every Android vendor on Earth put together. Now, Apple is ready to annihilate the high end of the Android market. By this time next year, the most expensive Android you can get will be $300 and will run an obsolete version of Android on obsolete hardware. There just aren't going to be enough die-hard fandroids to keep the $500 flagship Android phones alive. Most people bought Android for size or price, now it will just be the latter.

So you are happy for Apple to milk your wallet dry and that should be a cause for celebration - wow that's pretty bizarre logic.

 

[0098386]

Yes, that would be a nice feature. Nothing beats local for me too, for various reasons.

I think there’s still a lot room for improvement regarding connectivity between Apple devices. Good example is the new camera remote control feature of the Apple watch. Would love to have that between two iPhones: when traveling together I could use my iPhone as a remote of my girlfriend’s iPhone cam.

I think with this new "hand off" feature we're eventually going to get there. I mean, it'd also solve the problem of not having enough storage on these devices.

 

[69cents]

I'm waiting for the iPhone 6 Mini as I would like to have a smaller screen in the perfect size, as I've been told by Jony Ive, of 3.5inches just like my iPhone 4s has...

 

[MacVault]

iPhone 6 RAM?

Why no mention anywhere of the amount of RAM in iPhone 6. I don't see anything about RAM on the tech specs

I take this to mean it's still 1 GB. Are you OUT OF YOUR MIND, Apple!!!

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So, what's the general consensus? Is iPhone 6 really with the times or is it time to jump ship?