Apple CEO Tim Cook Joins Coalition Renewing Push for Immigration Reform

[KPandian1]

I do believe the majority of Americans are for The Wall, and for keeping illegal immigrants out. You saying "most are not" leads me to believe your a hard core CNN viewer.

This is not true - most are NOT for any wall.

 

[jhwalker]

I do believe the majority of Americans are for The Wall, and for keeping illegal immigrants out. You saying "most are not" leads me to believe your a hard core CNN viewer.

You are wrong. Every legitimate poll indicates that the majority of Americans (more than 60%) understand a "wall" is an expensive, ineffective "solution" to a non-existent problem.

 

[itguy06]

Bingo. But the odds of that happening seem to be dropping by the minute. In short: control the borders to stop this from happening again, and be compassionate to people already here since they were young.

I believe Trump already said he supported an extension of DACA.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/425091-trump-targets-dems-over-daca-amid-shutdown-talks
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-funding-trump/index.html

 

[citysnaps]

I do believe the majority of Americans are for The Wall, and for keeping illegal immigrants out. You saying "most are not" leads me to believe your a hard core CNN viewer.

Since that's not true, would you happen to be a hard core Fox, Breitbart, or RT news viewer?

 

[itguy06]

More Canadians in U.S. overstayed visas than any other foreigners:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/more-...y-other-foreigners-last-year-report-1.4047809

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_0807_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf

Most illegal immigration comes from visa overstays, and most visa overstays come from Canadians. But we don't say anything because the Canadians are white people. @10:45:

Send them back North too. Doesn't matter if you're white. brown, checkered, or any other color of the rainbow.

 

[Cole Slaw]

Hey Tim, any chance you could head over to the office sometime and get a spot of work done?

 

[itguy06]

You are wrong. Every legitimate poll indicates that the majority of Americans (more than 60%) understand a "wall" is an expensive, ineffective "solution" to a non-existent problem.

Funny how that has changed right about the time Trump got elected and the media started to smear him:
https://www.cato.org/publications/c...-support-border-wall-what-changed-their-minds

 

[Rocketman]

After the past couple months of Schumer vs. Trump politics, I was wondering if someone, anyone, went back and checked Schumer's past speeches. Jackpot! Remember it was Schumer who fillibustered the bill to stop the shutdown in the Senate so the President COULD'NT sign it! Then blamed Trump, merely because he said he would take responsibility too. It was Schumer's FAULT! He took NO responsibility.

Warning, FB link.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=496318770892960

 

[hipnetic]

While the "dreamers" may be the focus of the talking points, I'd be willing to bet that whatever bill Cook is helping to push has a lot of fine print related to ensuring that there are plenty of H-1B visas to go around.

 

[ericgtr12]

I do believe the majority of Americans are for The Wall, and for keeping illegal immigrants out. You saying "most are not" leads me to believe your a hard core CNN viewer.

I quoted a source which contains a real poll. Your "belief" appears to be the thin air with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Oh, ok... Valid? So Apple is redeploying their Mac Pro product specialists, system architects, system engineers, hardware design engineers, mechanical engineers, physical design specialists, firmware and software engineers, coders, technicians, production manufacturing specialists, marketing managers, etc, etc. to work instead on advocating for Apple's DACA employees?

I never said that. Those are your words above. I do believe though that at times, executive leadership can become so engrossed in exterior issues that it has an effect on the company. That may not even be the case with Apple, but it is worth noting.

There's not much else I have to share with you regarding that as my thoughts are clearly my opinion and are not based on any factual evidence. Have a good day.

 

[citysnaps]

I never said that. Those are your words above. I do believe though that at times, executive leadership can become so engrossed in exterior issues that it has an effect on the company. That may not even be the case with Apple, but it is worth noting.

There's not much else I have to share with you regarding that as my thoughts are clearly my opinion and are not based on any factual evidence. Have a good day.

Do you really think Tim Cook advocating and standing up for Apple's DACA employees, as he should as a responsible CEO, put's a damper on product development?

Do you also think it slows down iPhone development, or, just as an example, puts a damper on Johny Sriouji's lab and its chip development?

Tell me how that happens. Serious question.

I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Cook works 60+ hour weeks every week of the year considering the size of Apple and his responsibilities. Devoting a few hours per week to make sure his employees are properly treated doesn't seem out of line.

 

[Rocketman]

After the past couple months of Schumer vs. Trump politics, I was wondering if someone, anyone, went back and checked Schumer's past speeches. Jackpot! Remember it was Schumer who fillibustered the bill to stop the shutdown in the Senate so the President COULD'NT sign it! Then blamed Trump, merely because he said he would take responsibility too. It was Schumer's FAULT! He took NO responsibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

The National Emergencies Act (NEA) (Pub.L. 94–412, 90 Stat. 1255, enacted September 14, 1976, codified at 50 U.S.C. § 1601–1651)

Exceptions

Certain emergency authorities were exempted from the act at the time of its passage:

• 50 USC 1431–1435 — enabling the President to make national defense contracts outside of otherwise applicable rules

Emergency powers

to authorizing and constructing military construction projects (10 U.S.C. (a) § 2808 (a), passed 1982) using any existing defense appropriations for such military constructions ($10.4 billion in FY2018[16]); to drafting any retired Coast Guard officers (14 U.S.C. § 331, passed 1963) or enlisted members (14 U.S.C. § 359, passed 1949) into active duty.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/emergency-powers

 

[curtvaughan]

I was just getting ready to say the same thing. Leave politics alone and focus on your computers, bean counter.

In the corporate world, especially multi-national corporations, political actions are very necessary. I suspect, in this case, with Cook, Bezos, et al, the ultimate reason is to ensure a steady supply of relatively cheap labor within the U.S. Just who do you think invests millions in hiring lobbyists to influence Congress? Isn't that a "political" move? DACA and H1B are forms of bean counting at the highest levels.
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Tim Cook is an SJW of the worst kind (but in fairness, they’re all pathetic). Instead of a focus on making great products, he spends his days virtue signaling and overall being a leftist goon.

Build the wall now and deport all illegal aliens , Mr. President, or no vote in 2020.

Illegal aliens don't tend to work in high tech companies. They largely work in construction, day labor, out of sight in cleaners/laundry facilities, agriculture/yard maintenance, and apparently for Trump's business enterprises (until exposed recently). Most illegal contraband and people get through ports of entry or fly over "walls" undetected. Most foreign workers in high tech are here legally via H1B. I'd guess Cook, Bezos, and others running large corporate entities, favor DACA as a source of employees willing to work longer hours and for less pay than most native born citizens. It's the next best thing to outsourcing overseas for a steady supply of relatively cheap labor.
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People here illegally should be deported. They have broken the law, plain and simple.

DACA applies to the minor children of illegal aliens, who had no control of the actions of their parents in getting here, but call the U.S. their home because it is where they have lived, usually for most of their lives. It's not that "plain and simple", and btw, placing them in "camps" on the border and separating them from their parents, smacks of totalitarian regimes of the past. I don't need to name names in that regard.

 

[Naaaaak]

Tim Cook's version of immigration reform is turning our current Open Borders spigot from halfway to full so he can get some cheap labor and screw citizens even harder. What a champion of human rights.

 

[SgtPepper12]

a) vast number of illegals are not from sneaking across the Mexico border but rather overstaying their visitor visa

That's 41% of all illegal immigrants. It's a separate problem, sure.

b) Physical wall can be bypassed by digging tunnels, a large ladder, etc.

It's possible, but honestly not that easy. My guess is that it will significantly discourage people from trying.

The cost and resources to build one along the entire wall are massive.

Overall it's a lot of money, but certainly nothing too dramatic compared to other expenses.

I get it, it won't solve all problems magically. Even if it lowers the influx by 10% it's money well-invested. What alternatives are there?

This clip from John Oliver summarizes a lot of this discussion (albeit a bit too comical but I didnt have time to start pulling up the assessments from the more serious news sites)

John Oliver is probably the most biased source for anything on this planet and it's not even about it being "comical". He knows his audience and what they want to hear and he won't ever say anything else.

 

[0388631]

Corporations are people, too.


Until Tim Cook screws up so bad that Apple's sales decline in a noticeable amount quarter after quarter, he's here to stay for the ride. He had Steve's blessing and close friendship. He can do whatever he wants as long as major shareholders are happy. If you don't like his actions in politics, that's fine. You can ignore it or stop buying Apple products and sell all Apple products you use or give them away. Or destroy them and post a video of you doing so on Twitter.


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so he can get some cheap labor and screw citizens even harder.

Curious here. For what? Apple Store technicians or general staff? Apple pays a ranging hourly for general staff and more for people in advanced positions in a store. It's far above some states' minimum wage. Apple is also the lowest paying company when it comes to the corporate level in terms of in-house developers, engineers and support staff.

Or did you mean product assembly? That's done oversees. Few components in Apple products made in the US are by companies that wouldn't benefit more or less with stringent or relaxed laws. Most of Corning's staff is made of robots because humans are inefficient in glass making. Most of the components in Apple products are produced in Asia by robotics. Most of it assembled by a robot. The human puts the finishing touches on it and tests them.

Or did you mean contracting companies Cupertino uses to maintain its grounds, bathrooms clean or security?

 

[magicschoolbus]

In the corporate world, especially multi-national corporations, political actions are very necessary. I suspect, in this case, with Cook, Bezos, et al, the ultimate reason is to ensure a steady supply of relatively cheap labor within the U.S. Just who do you think invests millions in hiring lobbyists to influence Congress? Isn't that a "political" move? DACA and H1B are forms of bean counting at the highest levels.
[doublepost=1549931121][/doublepost]
Illegal aliens don't tend to work in high tech companies. They largely work in construction, day labor, out of sight in cleaners/laundry facilities, agriculture/yard maintenance, and apparently for Trump's business enterprises (until exposed recently). Most illegal contraband and people get through ports of entry or fly over "walls" undetected. Most foreign workers in high tech are here legally via H1B. I'd guess Cook, Bezos, and others running large corporate entities, favor DACA as a source of employees willing to work longer hours and for less pay than most native born citizens. It's the next best thing to outsourcing overseas for a steady supply of relatively cheap labor.
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DACA applies to the minor children of illegal aliens, who had no control of the actions of their parents in getting here, but call the U.S. their home because it is where they have lived, usually for most of their lives. It's not that "plain and simple", and btw, placing them in "camps" on the border and separating them from their parents, smacks of totalitarian regimes of the past. I don't need to name names in that regard.

I suppose placing them with human traffickers like the Obama admin did is much less “totalitarian” huh?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...33a4d31bcc8_story.html?utm_term=.d6ae20e3d650

Or how about the Obama deporting the most number of illegal aliens, even higher then Trump in deportations?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ec...-deporting-fewer-people-than-barack-obama-did

Or how about Obama admin using tear gas at the border?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...rah-sanders-says-obama-tear-gas-border-month/

But hey keep telling yourself how trump is the devil.

 

[KPandian1]

The National Emergencies Act (NEA) (Pub.L. 94–412, 90 Stat. 1255, enacted September 14, 1976, codified at 50 U.S.C. § 1601–1651)

Exceptions

Certain emergency authorities were exempted from the act at the time of its passage:

• 50 USC 1431–1435 — enabling the President to make national defense contracts outside of otherwise applicable rules

Emergency powers to authorizing and constructing military construction projects (10 U.S.C. (a) § 2808 (a), passed 1982) using any existing defense appropriations for such military constructions ($10.4 billion in FY2018[16]); to drafting any retired Coast Guard officers (14 U.S.C. § 331, passed 1963) or enlisted members (14 U.S.C. § 359, passed 1949) into active duty.

There are about 40 Acts of emergency existing in paper right now, from even 40 years ago. Mostly enacted for critical incidents around the world and natural disasters in the USA.

Doesn't mean anything in a critical issue like building a wall - a wall that will take years to build, not 12-18 months.

 

[Naraxus]

Wonder if he'd ever push for a Mac reform..

Doubtful. That would mean he actually cares about the Mac when everything he's done as CEO has been anything BUT.
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DACA recipients are not eligible for Federal financial aid. Depending on the state, they may be eligible for state financial aid.

In the US, roughly 2/3 of college students take advantage of federal and state financial aid in some form; ie grants and loans. I suspect DACA students represent a tiny percentage.

Who cares what they do or don't receive? They should be rounded up and deported each and every one of them. Illegal aliens and anchor babies should come LAST.

 

[0388631]

Didn't what's her face lie about her immigration status or employment.

 

[amegicfox]

Tim how about signing a letter to immediately deport the 60 millions of illegals that took American's jobs and created crazy rents, crazy real estate prices, overcrowded hospitals, schools etc.?

And if you like foreign countries so much how about another letter from Apple to invest / donate 200-300 billions to these countries in order to improve South American countries standard of living ?

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Do you really think Tim Cook advocating and standing up for Apple's DACA employees, as he should as a responsible CEO, put's a damper on product development?

Do you also think it slows down iPhone development, or, just as an example, puts a damper on Johny Sriouji's lab and its chip development?

Tell me how that happens. Serious question.

I wouldn't be shocked if Tim Cook works 60+ hour weeks every week of the year considering the size of Apple and his responsibilities. Devoting a few hours per week to make sure his employees are properly treated doesn't seem out of line.

CEOs of large corporations put in way more than 60-70 hours week. Their leadership role demands the majority of their waking time. Tim's time dedicated to Apple each week is probably in the neighborhood of 100 hours a week.

As for your questions above, I clearly gave you my opinion in my last post and my answer remains the same. Cheers and good day.

 

[Naraxus]

Racism?

Ok I'll bite even though I know where this is going. Tell me how is it racist to follow the laws of this country?
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Hat tip to Mr. Cook for standing up for his DACA employees!

A shame many here do not (or refuse to) understand what that's about.

I know based on our past discussions that I'll never get a straight answer from you on this but why should anchor babies and those who break the rules get a pass while others have to wait in line for years to get those same benefits?

 

[Rocketman]

There are about 40 Acts of emergency existing in paper right now, from even 40 years ago. Mostly enacted for critical incidents around the world and natural disasters in the USA.

Doesn't mean anything in a critical issue like building a wall - a wall that will take years to build, not 12-18 months.

This is clearly a political issue. President Trump has incentive to make considerable progress by silly season 2020 (erection). So let's say July 2020. That is about 1.3 years from now. Between the funding he has already gained access to, as well as the measly new $1.375B barrier funding rumored to be in this CR bill (the amount Pelosi originally offered. RESIST SUCCESS)

So between the existing funding for "fence upgrades", prior new barrier funding and new barrier funding, that amounts to $2.6B of the $5.7B of stated new wall need. If POTUS declares an emergency they only need to tap $3.1B of the available 10.7B of DoD construction funds on an emergency basis.

Can they add $5.7B of new barrier in only 1.3 years? I suspect if they add a shift or two they can. If feel it near impossible to measure results by then given how FEDGOV collects and diseminates data. A one year delay is typical.
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There are about 40 Acts of emergency existing in paper right now, from even 40 years ago. Mostly enacted for critical incidents around the world and natural disasters in the USA.

Doesn't mean anything in a critical issue like building a wall - a wall that will take years to build, not 12-18 months.

An invasion by tens of thousands of illegal aliens fleeing Venezuela, Honduras, El Salvador and others is indeed a "critical incident around the world". It just happens to be on our southern border. Doesn't that increase the importance quite a bit?