There is no such thing as objective hate speech. A small group gets the privilege of popishly anathematizing certain words and phrases.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook on Hate Speech: 'You Have No Place on Our Platform'
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Out of curiosity, why is it okay to hate nazis for have been immoral monsters who murdered or condoned murder, but it’s wrong to hate MS-13 for the same reason?
I'm done talking to you since you're trolling. If you're actually not trolling, you can reread my stuff because otherwise I'd only be repeating it. You're also now on my ignore list.
1 making drugs illegal is how we got rid of drugs.......oh wait.....
2 Canadians have it and plenty head to other nations for care
3 they are free to do so, but Our tax dollars should not have to pay for their decisions , want BC? Buy it
4 liberal ideas as not as good as many of you pretend they are
Hate speech is "nonsense", yet you feel like Tim Cook calling it out is directed at you personally. Hmmm. Anyway, being a bigot is your right, but it's also other people's (like Cook) right to call you out on it and tell you your hateful views are unwelcome.
Adding "I'm a bigot but so are you because you are mean to bigots!" is pretty rich, though
No political party can remove all guns, which is why the Constitution ensures that everyone can have one. From self-defense to militia to revolutions, equal access to weapons means no small violent group can exert undue control. The best living argument for this recently is ISIS. Or Great Britain with their knife ban, lol.
It’s fine to hate MS-13. The difference is that Trump is actually using MS-13 in a way similar to the Nazi demonization of Jews. MS-13, an extremely tiny group of people, are being used to vilify a huge group of people. They’re the bogeyman Trump holds up in order to demonize immigrants from Latin America, despite the fact that MS-13 is *made in America*.
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This is a very old argument of hateful bigots. The best response is to continue ostracizing themHate speech is "nonsense", yet you feel like Tim Cook calling it out is directed at you personally. Hmmm. Anyway, being a bigot is your right, but it's also other people's (like Cook) right to call you out on it and tell you your hateful views are unwelcome.
Adding "I'm a bigot but so are you because you are mean to bigots!" is pretty rich, though
Perhaps the reason the illegal immigrants are "demonized" is they're violating serious laws to enter and violating yet more out of necessity to live here without being a citizen? I mean, do you _want_ there to be illegal immigrants? To want to prevent illegal immigration doesn't mean you're against immigration in general.
The real people attacking immigration are those doing it for economic reasons. This includes Trump and populist Republicans but also, less openly, Bernie Sanders and many Democrats who support labor unions, min wage, and other arrangements meant to make jobs exclusive.
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You clearly have a distorted understanding of trolling. You just don't like to be proven wrong. Such a cowardice response.
"wow" is that the first time you have heard that position? It's not really a wow comment, just a point of view that I respect and understand, but sometimes disagree with.
On Liberty: John Stuart Mills
"If the arguments of the present chapter are of any validity, there ought to exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing, as a matter of ethical conviction, any doctrine, however immoral it may be considered."
“absolute freedom of opinion and sentiment on all subjects, practical or speculative, scientific, moral or theological” (1978, 11).
Some countries define hate speech as anything to incite violence, which is a good line to draw, but I worry about companies policing themselves or those who have too much control over social media. But then you have the problem how some governments are using social media to troll and influence elections, but that is an issue regarding anonymity.
I just don't trust Tim/Apple to defining hate speech and censorship. Tim: You have no place on our platform. You have no home here." You know who else has no home on the Apple Platform? Other products or "indecent" apps that is deemed by who. Glad they reversed course after public outcry for some apps, but i'm sure there is a lot that we don't see.
There are still religious, conservative, Libertarian, pro-Trump, pro-Republican party, etc., podcasts to be found all over iTunes. Apple removed the ravings of a madman/conman. Bravo and long overdue.
It's easier to use extremes for an argument rather than be rational and realize that these podcasts have not been removed and likely won't ever be because they don't cross a line.
I get that the goal of your post was to equate Trump to Nazis.
But in doing so you also equated the persecution and genocide of 1930s Jews to MS-13.
Like, wtf?
Last I checked, 1930s Jews didn’t go around murdering people. And yes, while MS-13 began in Los Angelas in the 1980s, they’re now an international criminal gang with heavy representation in Mexico and Latin America.
I don’t want anymore of them here, thanks.
Just because corporate censorship is legal doesn't mean it is without issue, for example:
- The NFL not allowing its players to speak freely.
- Major radio stations across the country removing songs by the Dixie Chicks from airplay after she made a negative comment about George W. Bush.
- Disney buying up media outlets and then quashing any negative press about Disney in those media outlets.
- Disney preventing Miramax from releasing Fahrenheit 9/11 because it was critical of George W. Bush.
- CBS pulling "The Reagans" from it's planned airing on the network and instead burying it on cable because it was critical of Ronald Reagan.
- SNL removing a skit from reruns because it was against corporate media consolidation, and NBC was upset about it. NBC, of course, is up to its neck in corporate media consolidation.
Absolutely not. I'm supportive of combating corporate censorship through awareness and competition. Unfortunately in an era of media consolidation, competition is rapidly disappearing.
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I’m a liberal but I think that people with opposing views should be given a platform to espouse them. Ben Shapiro and others should be allowed to speak at universities and not be prohibited just because a majority of people disagrees with them. Discourse is what allowed for the civil rights movement and all of the good change that has come about in this country. However, Alex Jones’s only goal is to divide. To spread divisive language and misinformation to harm this country and enrich himself in the process. He can be allowed to do it, but Apple is in no way required to give him, or anyone, a platform.
Holy Christ. This is the dumbest thing I have read in... a long time. You are seriously comparing MS-13’s position to the Jews? Are you saying the Jews were a bunch of drug smuggling rapists and murderers? Because, news flash, MS-13 is. No boogeyman.
Also, the only immigrants being demonized are ILLEGAL immigrants. ILLEGAL. Go look up the meaning of that word, because apparently nobody understands what it means. No policies have been enacted to burden legal immigrants. There is a process for a reason. If you want to support illegal immigration or open borders, then please move to France, Sweden, Germany, or the UK.
To touch again on your first point, the Jews have been kicked out of more countries over history than any other known race. Strange that nobody ever mentions this. Isn’t it weird that they would keep getting kicked out of every place they try to occupy?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews
Still want to compare MS-13 to them?
Hate speech is whatever the authoritarians of the day/month/year/term say it is. Historically, this subjective abstraction politically changes depending on who you are, where you are, and when you are.
This comment is on the first page of comments every time, and it's pointless. Like, what does this comment even say? What does it do other than get people riled up? I'm sorry to be insulting, but there are lots of great arguments here for free speech, and this isn't one of them.
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I'm actively combatting that by promoting a friend's more person-to-person alternative to social media and news aggregators, but I'm having a rough time. Dang, how did Zuck get people to use Facebook? Haha.
Agree. He’s speaking up against what is becoming all too common and should not be accepted as normal. Some in power now achieved it by peddling hate and fear. It slowly ratchets up day by day as the uncivil are coming out of the shadows feeling empowered by poor example.
What on earth is "hate speech"? Sounds like a made-up term that you slap onto anything you subjectively find offensive.
Agreed 100%.
We can see clearly who the real “fascists” are day by day as these liberal leftist idiots expose themselves and the darkness and deep hatred they have in their hearts for conservative and Christian ideas.
Tim Cook is disgusting with his endless virtue signaling. Dear God, what has America become when these people don’t allow you to have a different view and if you do they label you immediately a racist, nazi, sexist etc.
What a big joke.
He said, “There is no such thing as hate speech.”
Objectively he’s right. Subjectively he’s wrong. The term “hate speech” is a concept that changes like the wind. One day it will blow the way you want it to go and another, it blows against you.
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It’s fine to hate MS-13. The difference is that Trump is actually using MS-13 in a way similar to the Nazi demonization of Jews. MS-13, an extremely tiny group of people, are being used to vilify a huge group of people. They’re the bogeyman Trump holds up in order to demonize immigrants from Latin America, despite the fact that MS-13 is *made in America*.
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This is a very old argument of hateful bigots. The best response is to continue ostracizing them
Trump doesn’t demonize immigrants. He demonized people who break our laws.
Difference.