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Apple CEO Tim Cook on Hate Speech: 'You Have No Place on Our Platform'
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Exactly. Apple is within their legal rights to censor things like Gab or Infowars or whomever, however, to deny that they are censoring based on their own partisan determinations of morality is nonsense.
Cook speaking and receiving an award at an ADL event, what a surprise to hear him come out with this speech. I believe Tim donated a $1,000,000 to them last year after the Charlotteville hysteria. Gotta please them wealthy stockholders and stay in the good books with those who control the media.
Apple have never been further from the company they envisioned and portrayed themself to be. As one of the biggest tech firms in the world they should be setting a better example. It's a slippery slope, when it's acceptable that you can be banned from all social media we've already seen the beginnings of what follows. Patreon accounts shut down, access to donations, denied web hosting, credit card and banks refusing you because of your political beliefs.
I don't know why but I use to expect more from Apple than I did younger companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter but now I think they're most likely the worse when it comes to shutting down free speech and opinions that may cause someone to be offended.
Apple have never been further from the company they envisioned and portrayed themself to be. As one of the biggest tech firms in the world they should be setting a better example. It's a slippery slope, when it's acceptable that you can be banned from all social media we've already seen the beginnings of what follows. Patreon accounts shut down, access to donations, denied web hosting, credit card and banks refusing you because of your political beliefs.
I don't know why but I use to expect more from Apple than I did younger companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter but now I think they're most likely the worse when it comes to shutting down free speech and opinions that may cause someone to be offended.
That kid from Kindergarten Cop was also banned. "Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina." Oh noes, I just assumed xir's gender!
I was being sarcastic. I couldn't care less about an iPhone SE. I don't care that Amazon was richer than Apple briefly andI don't care that the first idiot to reply this thread thinks hate speech doesn't exist. I think Cook is doing well to take this stance and keep Apple out of controversy. Apple isn't really a social network anyway. They are a delivery device and they are hawkish on privacy.
They don't want to become mired in the crap FB and GOOGL are about to go through for Russians and Neo Nazis. They sell phones, cloud storage, Airpods, Macs, medical and educational services. Let FB fight for the freedom of speech/what is a hate crime? demographic.
PRSI? *takes off gloves* Let’s do this thing!
It really says a lot about the MacRumors community when the top rated comments are that there is no such thing as hate speech. Wow. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. It terrifies me that my children will have to grow up in your hate-filled world! So nothing Hitler ever said was hateful? Really? We’re having this discussion in 2018? Did you learn nothing in history class? Those who don’t know their history are bound to repeat the same mistakes. It’s that simple. STOP HATE NOW.
So you would be fine if hundreds of thousands of people on the internet started calling for you to be killed, doxing your address, and posting your personal information and the information of those your loved ones for the world to see? If you are fine with this, then make yourself known. Otherwise you are a hippocrite hiding behind anonymity on the internet like the rest of these cowards. I for one think that the people who do this and harass their fellow man should be locked away for several years until they learn their lesson. Calling for violence is always wrong. YOU are wrong.
It really says a lot about the MacRumors community when the top rated comments are that there is no such thing as hate speech. Wow. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. It terrifies me that my children will have to grow up in your hate-filled world! So nothing Hitler ever said was hateful? Really? We’re having this discussion in 2018? Did you learn nothing in history class? Those who don’t know their history are bound to repeat the same mistakes. It’s that simple. STOP HATE NOW.
"Political correctness" is a buzzword used by the radical right to label essentially anything they disagree with. Conservatives can't win with facts so whenever they get logically dismantled they shout political correctness to destroy the messenger. Furthermore, the definition of hate speech has nothing to do with politics and is not up for debate. Hate speech is very plainly defined as "speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity."
The reason right-wingers believe that opposition to hate speech is somehow political is because the right happens to be full of a lot of hateful and terrible people. And suggesting that Tim Cook should be forced to support hate speech on his private platform, in violation of his rights, is nothing but censorship to further the right-wing political position. A position that is not supported by facts and/or at least ~60% of the US population.
Tim Cook is taking Apple down the tried and failed path of "Get Woke, Go Broke".
It will take Apple a while given the great position Tim Cook inherited, but I am confident that Tim will get there.
https://twitter.com/bob_burrough/status/988682614146973696
Steve Jobs 2004-2010: +2759.57% Tim Cook 2011-2017: +249.11%
That chart means nothing. It is like if I grow 300% from age 3 to 15, then only grow 20% more from 15 to 25.
That said, I believe Tim should wait for his post-Apple period to venture into politics. Any company taking some virtue signaling stand is shooting themselves in the foot. Just stay silent.
That's not what hate speech is. Those are threats. Hate speech would be something like "aw he's X race, so he's dumb." Or really anything if you're sensitive enough, but threats are across a line that makes them actually illegal under US law.
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Apple has always censored these things. Their stance hasn't changed other than that one idiotic move with the Confederate flags. I don't think it's going to be an issue. At least if there's a slippery slope, you'll see Google and Facebook go down it before Apple does.
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Many Democrats obviously don't consider racism against whites (and in some cases Asians) as hate speech, so the guy's point is valid. The (Bill) Gates Scholarship lists which races you can be to apply, and white and Middle Eastern aren't on there. Lots of "Affirmative Action" programs, which only Democrats support, are openly against whites. Worst part is the speech isn't even half the story there since these things are actually implemented. Similarly newspeople always say Palestine shouldn't be a country, but if you say anything against Israel, that's anti-semitism and gets you on the ADL's list. The whole multigender argument doesn't matter much other than them taking all my urinals away, but people have sides in it, and there's only one you can present on Facebook.
I know they have the right, but it's obvious that the corps have a side that they're on, is all.
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The Left adores conflating legal immigrants with illegal immigrants. Want the USA immigration combo meal? Get in line and follow the law. No line-skipping.
The ADL is widely respected by the younger generation, and pretty much everyone. The radical right/Fox News crowd is just becoming increasingly irrelevant which is exactly why something as harmless as taking a moral stance against hate speech upsets them so much. They are hateful bitter people.
No, everyone I know (I'm 22) knows it as "that group that listed Pepe the Frog as a hate symbol." The only time we've heard of it. They probably screwed up again when they called for the firing of that anti-Israel CNN commentator recently.
political correctness
noun
noun: political correctness; noun: political correctitude
the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
Does that sound like something some crazy on the right would come up with?
Or perhaps you have your own agenda
Well the comment means something entirely different to everyone, which is bound to do nothing but get people talking past each other.
It is because apple is out of innovative ideas.
Cooks innovations:
Watch
AirPods
Apple Music
Face ID
iPad Pro
Vs Jobs innovations of
iPod
ITunes
MacBooks
IPhone
App Store
iPad
ICloud
And many others
It's the thing elementary school teachers complained to me about when I accidentally said someone is Black instead of African-American. Except I still don't know which one is preferable. The second doesn't even make sense if the person isn't American!
Objectively false. You mean Fox News and the conservative media told you that lie about Democrats, so you incorrectly think it despite it not being true. Racism against anyone is hate speech, period. The guys point is not valid, because hate speech is very plainly defined as "speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity". The reason right-wingers believe that opposition to hate speech is somehow political is because the right happens to be the home of the alt-right, the neo-nazi movement, the klan, and so on. People who are very vested in their interest to hate others.
Scholarships that do not include white people are not hate speech and are not "against" white people. Scholarships are allowed to target disadvantaged/underrepresented groups. They're even allowed to target people who wear green pants, because it's someones private money and they can direct how it is spent as they wish.
By your logic the diversity scholarships that send white people to historically black colleges are "against blacks", which is of course nonsense.
Did you miss the part where he had been harassing the holy living hell out of grieving parents and families who had their children murdered in cold blood by a lunatic gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School? Those poor suffering souls have a right to not be harassed by that fool. My oldest starts kindergarten next year. God help him if one of my children is ever a victim and he starts harassing my family. I will not put up with that and I will become man on fire with the anger of a billion blazing suns. Nobody could possibly fathom my wrath. In the old days when men had honor they knew how to deal with men like him without honor.
First of all, I have never watched Fox News or the like, so quit yelling at me. Most of my news was from NPR while driving to school.
Hate speech is what Apple/FB/whatever define it as. They all have different rules. I went through them when I submitted an app once because I had to moderate user content accordingly. Apple's are here and include references to race, not just attacks: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#objectionable-content . You're under even stricter rules in many workplaces, at least in Silicon Valley tech.
Scholarships that explicitly exclude white people aren't against white people? You can't do the same with any kind of business. Yes, it attacks them too by saying the people of other races have some moral higher ground, deserve help more, etc. I was recently in college and saw classes where you're taught that white people are born with some debt to others. I know people who have lied about their race to get into things they can't afford.
ADL didn't say a "cartoon frog" is a hate speech, they said a specific carton frog co-opted by one of the largest neo-nazi groups in the world as a mascot is hate speech.
If you have to be intellectually dishonest to defend a point, it only highlights that you do not have one.