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MacRumors is pretty open to varying opinions. If it weren't, it'd suck.

Incorrect. The best products happen when the voices of the uncouth commoners are silenced.

Consider the iOS App store - they make sure low-quality garbage ideas aren't in there. It makes it a better product.

This site would be much better off by getting rid of these garbage right-wing libertarian comments with no value. Everyone should have grown out of their libertarian phase once they stopped being teenagers.
 
Now *this* is hatred.
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What if they ban you for being in the minority? I think there are more far-right people.

MacRumors is pretty open to varying opinions. If it weren't, it'd suck.

What if I started saying the N word and described why white people are superior? You think MacRumors would tolerate that? Ya I don't think so.
 
Incorrect. The best products happen when the voices of the uncouth commoners are silenced.

Consider the iOS App store - they make sure low-quality garbage ideas aren't in there. It makes it a better product.

This site would be much better off by getting rid of these garbage right-wing libertarian comments with no value. Everyone should have grown out of their libertarian phase once they stopped being teenagers.

You’ve said about five times already macrumors should ban anyone not leftist.

Stop. Your bigotry is out in the open. Macrumors will not be banning any single person on grounds of conservatism. This isn’t twitter. Reeeeeeeeeee along.

People You don’t agree with are perfectly allowed to civilly have debate and discussion on a forum.
 
This site really needs to understand that they aren't government, and that it's perfectly fine to ban toxic right-wing libertarians.

So Apple can refuse to give people they disagree with a platform, but a wedding cake baker can refuse to serve people they don't want to serve. Got it.
 
There is no such thing as hate speech. Don't be hypocritical TC. The left always has a platform to call everyone a nazi, fascist, racist, sexist or bigot when that is demonstrably not the case.

OK, which party embraces with open arms the Neo-Nazi Group, White Supremists, grabbing womens parts as good old boys natural behavior? The POTUS clearly stated these are my people, Deplorables. Defined as....

“Disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, inexcusable, unpardonable, deserving one’s loathing, wretched…”. My People. Your point?
 
Bakers are private companies. Can they do what they want? Can they deny a wedding cake to a gay couple? Restaurants are private companies. Can they tell a black family that they're kind aren't welcome?

No. They can't. Government can absolutely place limits on private companies. Government can absolutely force a company to follow the Bill of Rights.
The anti-racism laws for stores and employers, those were created basically from a state of emergency. There are ways around them, and IDK how effective the laws are because they've been in place for so long. I wonder what'd it be like if they were removed suddenly. I'd hope the businesses keeping out certain races would be boycotted, for one, but maybe they wouldn't.

Regulation of websites is a big thing to fear. Govt has no idea how technology works.

The cake thing was dumb. The bakers should've been able to refuse service. I don't remember what the outcome was.
 
Incorrect. The best products happen when the voices of the uncouth commoners are silenced.

Consider the iOS App store - they make sure low-quality garbage ideas aren't in there. It makes it a better product.

This site would be much better off by getting rid of these garbage right-wing libertarian comments with no value. Everyone should have grown out of their libertarian phase once they stopped being teenagers.
Hey the 1930's just called. This guy named Hitler wants to interview you for a job as his right hand man.
 
OK, which party embraces with open arms the Neo-Nazi Group, White Supremists, grabbing womens parts as good old boys natural behavior? The POTUS clearly stated these are my people, Deplorables. Defined as....

“Disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, inexcusable, unpardonable, deserving one’s loathing, wretched…”. My People. Your point?
Come on. Republicans don't support any of those. Trump doesn't publicly but tbh maybe does inside. There are far-right weirdos in these groups. The "Deplorables" thing was a dig against Hillary Clinton for basically insulting half (edit: actually 1/4) the country Mitt Romney style.
 
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OK, which party embraces with open arms the Neo-Nazi Group, White Supremists, grabbing womens parts as good old boys natural behavior? The POTUS clearly stated these are my people, Deplorables. Defined as....

“Disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, inexcusable, unpardonable, deserving one’s loathing, wretched…”. My People. Your point?
Actually that definition is incorrect. Deplorables is defined as "anyone who doesn't want Hillary Clinton for president."
 
This is a good thread to find all the toxic right-wing Nazis to ban from this site.

For frack sake stop calling conservatives nazis. Last time I checked they aren’t calling for the mass extermination of other human beings. You sound like a moron who has no understanding of history saying garbage like that. I would argue that is hate speech.
 
OK, which party embraces with open arms the Neo-Nazi Group, White Supremists, grabbing womens parts as good old boys natural behavior? The POTUS clearly stated these are my people, Deplorables. Defined as....

“Disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, inexcusable, unpardonable, deserving one’s loathing, wretched…”. My People. Your point?
You got any sources for those?
 
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Hate speech definitely exists, but it's hard to define - which is why it's dangerous to ban "hate speech" because there's really no way to determine what it constitutes. There's also that "pesky" First Amendment.

We as a society need to stop trying to ban words and speech, if for no other reason than it allows us to identify who the a$$holes are.

The fact that a stand against hate speech can bring forward so many people opposed to that opposition just goes to show that there's still so much work to do.

I wanted to present both of your posts as evidence as why the issue surrounding “hate speech” is a difficult one.

But for the record, I agree with sdwaltz.

The problem with banning hate speech is that it varies in degree, is subjective, and constantly changing.

What is hateful?

How does one define hateful?

How many hateful forms of speech are there?

The most problematic issue surrounding the banning of hate speech is that the logical conclusion will be to ban all speech. In other words, no free speech.

Some of you might be laughing and think that’s ridiculous. Don’t believe me?

Let’s say there are 3 hateful speeches:

#1 is the most hateful speech.

#2 is considered hateful by some, but innocuous by others.

#3 is barely hateful, perhaps just conceited or arrogant in most contexts, but nonetheless can sometimes be considered hate speech.

Clearly, #1 should be banned, right? No one should speak such things, so we all agree it should be banned. And so it is.

Now that #1 is banned, #2 takes its place. Why? Because #2 no longer has #1 to define its severity, and it now becomes the most hateful form of speech. #3 moves up into second place, and so on.

So what now? Well clearly, #2 must be banned. We cannot allow hateful speech, so off it goes. Good riddance #2, we hardly knew thee.

And now we get to #3. What about #3, you might say. It’s rude to say such things, but not hateful. Ahh but you see, now #3 is the most hateful speech one can possibly say. And we need to do away with it, too.

So therein lies the problem: all speech — including “hate speech” — is relative. If you ban one form of hate speech, something else will just move up to take its place. Eventually, you will get to “non hateful” speech being banned. At which point, you don’t have free speech.
 
Incorrect. The best products happen when the voices of the uncouth commoners are silenced.

Consider the iOS App store - they make sure low-quality garbage ideas aren't in there. It makes it a better product.

This site would be much better off by getting rid of these garbage right-wing libertarian comments with no value. Everyone should have grown out of their libertarian phase once they stopped being teenagers.
You’re joking. The App Store is completely filled with low-quality utter garbage apps. It’s only when those apps become popular apple removes them.
 
What reality are you referring to? The reality that Apple and it's CEO has the freedom to oppose hate speech? Is that too far from reality for you?

Apple and it's CEO promote hate speech and have since Tim Cook became CEO.

They're using their freedom to claim to oppose hate speech as they continue to promote and profit from it. That's the reality of modern-day Apple.
 
Apple and it's CEO promote hate speech and have since Tim Cook became CEO.

They're using their freedom to claim to oppose hate speech as they continue to promote and profit from it. That's the reality of modern-day Apple.

That doesn't make any sense, nor do you have any sources to back up your claims. Congratulations.
 
For frack sake stop calling conservatives nazis. Last time I checked they aren’t calling for the mass extermination of other human beings. You sound like a moron who has no understanding of history saying garbage like that. I would argue that is hate speech.
They're not calling for it, but they're perfectly comfortable with others calling for it.

Also, there's plenty of reasonable conservatives. I've known many in the past. Their voices are just drowned out by the raging far-right.
 
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