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Let's not get all teary eyed ... NATO has become their own worst enemy ... they didn't need any help from Trump to get them there. NATO loves the talk of build-up, but then never convert that to action.
Tell that to the NATO countries that sent troops in support of our recent wars and the families who lost family members in those wars.
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Terrorism is to use violence to create fear in order to achieve political, religious, or ideological aim. So no, it's not measured by numbers killed.
And this action plays right into their recruitment.
 
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It's possible, but that isn't a likely reason. Saudi Arabia and Egypt are considered US allies. Turkey is also part of NATO. I don't believe either of these conditions applies to the countries on that list.


This ban is the most idiotic thing ever. US citizens have been victims of acts of terrorists from citizens of these countries:

UAE
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Lebanon

And yet these countries are not on the ban list. Does that make sense to you?
 
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I applaud President Trump's action. Not because I hate immigrants, but because I think it's important to find out who's actually coming into your country. If you let in every single person blindly, you're only putting your people at risk. And one of the primary jobs of the leader of a country, is to keep his people safe. And by signing this executive order, Trump (or at least those who are in charge of the nation's security) is given time to find out who they really are.

It's controversial, I get that. Especially since America has been the country of the free etc. etc. And it's not something I would support all the time. Not at all, in fact. But if this can help the Trump administration to come up with ideas to make America safe again (or to speak for the liberals: to keep America safe), I believe it's the best way. It's only temporary after all..

By the way, I do think green card holders should be allowed to enter the United States, because, well... it's a green card, right? Don't think he will, but Trump should definitely change the order to allow those people.

Oh, this letter to me sounds a bit whiny, to be honest. Mr. Cook should focus on his products, not politics.

Mr. Cook has the right to walk and chew gum (ie: focus on his products, as well as guide Apple through politically charged policies that affect it).

Secondly, and some what sadly, Trump's executive action is somewhat useless.
The countries banned: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen
Countries where 9/11 hijackers and San Bernadino shooters came from: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Lebanon

So I wonder - why were those countries particularly targeted? Makes me wonder.
 
You can not compare this with what's happening now. Steve Jobs father came from a wealthy Syrian family. He was also very smart, hard working, well educated, as well as being a non-practising Muslim. Any country should be happy to welcome someone like him. But he came to the US in the 1950s, before the welfare state.

And today he would be barred entry, except for a courageous Federal judge.

So back then, if you were a refugee, you could not rely on the state to provide for you. For example, he lived in NYC with a relative, who was the Syrian ambassador to the United Nations (so obviously not your average refugee). Contrast this with the middle eastern and north African refugees that are flocking to the west today.

I work with one of those refugees. She is as pro-America as anyone.
 
It isn't forever. Relax.

No taking back the racist actions of this president. No forgetting what Trump has done and I will be teaching a valuable lesson to my great great grand kids on the importance of voting for people that are not evil (Democrat or Republican). This first week of the Trump era will be proof of that. So far Trump has been a monster.

Give him a chance they said! I've seen enough and I won't support these actions.
 
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So, did he support the summary execution of foreign nationals via drone? How about US citizens?

Why does Cook have to say anything at all? Is he going to make a statement about every Executive Order now?

Everyone needs to speak up....because those actions affect everyone...think again....
 
16 countries forbid admission to Israeli Passport holders.

In addition, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen do not allow entry to people with evidence of travel to Israel, or whose passports have either a used or an unused Israeli visa.

As a consequence, many countries will allow for a second passport to be issued to citizens wishing to circumvent this restriction although the Israeli immigration services themselves have now mostly ceased to issue entry or exit stamps to foreign nationals.

Have a look at this list....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Israeli_citizens

16 countries refuse admission to Israelis... all of them... and "crickets"... nada, not a peep of outrage.

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Also, President Obama banned Iraq refugees in 2011 for 6 months – media was silent on that...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets.
As for the ban...

It isn't racial:

  • As you know, countries do no make up a "race"

  • If you wish to argue that Middle Eastern is a "race" fine but the majority of Middle Eastern States weren't banned so there was no racial ban.
It isn't a religious ban:

  • There are 51 countries in the world that are predominately Muslim. Only 7 of them were banned thus 43 are still welcome in the US

  • Roughly 88% of the worlds Muslim Population is still welcome in the US

  • When the vast majority of Muslims and "Muslim Countries" are not banned, you cannot accurately call it a Muslim ban
It isn't a Regional Ban:

  • Saudi Arabia

  • Turkey

  • Egypt

  • Pakistan
All are predominantly Muslim and all are directly in the region but are not banned...

This is not a Racial, Religious, or Regional Ban...this is a ban of 7 specific countries.

Why these seven countries:

About a year ago, President Obama and Homeland Security identified 7 countries as a terrorist threat to the US based on the growing amount of terror attacks in the world from these regions....And yes it is the exact same 7 countries that Trump banned.

Obama's response to Homeland was to remove the "visa waiver program" in these 7 countries... This meant that anyone coming from these 7 countries would have to be fully vetted.

Trump took these same 7 countries and is banning them all for 90 days

The seven were not picked because of racism, Trump business interests, etc...they were picked because even the previous administration thought they were more "dangerous" than the surrounding countries in the region...

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So it's the same 7 countries. Everyone needs to take a breath here.

Oh, and as for you Tim Cook... focus on this for starters...

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Who in their right mind COULD support this?
Uhhhuu, more than half the country who voted for him based on he same things he said he was going to do?????

Love these liberals who whine and cry when they don't get their way.

What's wrong with Extreme Vetting?? We need more of it
 
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if Ethiopia banned Muslims temporarily, no one would bat an eye. Think that one over.
 
He did it to show compassion if you will for his employees who may be affected by this. Doesn't mean there here in the states, they could be anywhere.

Trumps goal is obvious.

Me personally I'm sick and tired of hearing the Muslims are to blame for what ever. Total Senseless BS

So you're saying Islam has nothing to do with all the wars and bloodshed in the Middle East? Sad
 
GREAT! now racist ass Steve Bannon is on the National Security Council

Was President Obama a racist for banning Iraqi Refugees for 6 months?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets.​

Was anyone that gave him that advice also a racist?

Thanks.
 
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one could say you are too ignorant not to understand

I'm not saying that the problem does not exist but this is not the way to do it. I can't be alone because a Judge has already blocked parts of Trumps ban.
 
16 countries forbid admission to Israeli Passport holders.

In addition, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen do not allow entry to people with evidence of travel to Israel, or whose passports have either a used or an unused Israeli visa.

As a consequence, many countries will allow for a second passport to be issued to citizens wishing to circumvent this restriction although the Israeli immigration services themselves have now mostly ceased to issue entry or exit stamps to foreign nationals.

Have a look at this list....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Israeli_citizens

16 countries refuse admission to Israelis... all of them... and "crickets"... nada, not a peep of outrage.

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Also, President Obama banned Iraq refugees in 2011 for 6 months – media was silent on that...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets.
As for the ban...

It isn't racial:

  • As you know, countries do no make up a "race"

  • If you wish to argue that Middle Eastern is a "race" fine but the majority of Middle Eastern States weren't banned so there was no racial ban.
It isn't a religious ban:

  • There are 51 countries in the world that are predominately Muslim. Only 7 of them were banned thus 43 are still welcome in the US

  • Roughly 88% of the worlds Muslim Population is still welcome in the US

  • When the vast majority of Muslims and "Muslim Countries" are not banned, you cannot accurately call it a Muslim ban
It isn't a Regional Ban:

  • Saudi Arabia

  • Turkey

  • Egypt

  • Pakistan
All are predominantly Muslim and all are directly in the region but are not banned...

This is not a Racial, Religious, or Regional Ban...this is a ban of 7 specific countries.

Why these seven countries:

About a year ago, President Obama and Homeland Security identified 7 countries as a terrorist threat to the US based on the growing amount of terror attacks in the world from these regions....And yes it is the exact same 7 countries that Trump banned.

Obama's response to Homeland was to remove the "visa waiver program" in these 7 countries... This meant that anyone coming from these 7 countries would have to be fully vetted.

Trump took these same 7 countries and is banning them all for 90 days

The seven were not picked because of racism, Trump business interests, etc...they were picked because even the previous administration thought they were more "dangerous" than the surrounding countries in the region...

-----

So it's the same 7 countries. Everyone needs to take a breath here.

Oh, and as for you Tim Cook... focus on this for starters...

4K Apple TV
No more 5400 RPM Hard Drives

Finally some sense here
 
16 countries forbid admission to Israeli Passport holders.

In addition, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen do not allow entry to people with evidence of travel to Israel, or whose passports have either a used or an unused Israeli visa.

As a consequence, many countries will allow for a second passport to be issued to citizens wishing to circumvent this restriction although the Israeli immigration services themselves have now mostly ceased to issue entry or exit stamps to foreign nationals.

Have a look at this list....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Israeli_citizens

16 countries refuse admission to Israelis... all of them... and "crickets"... nada, not a peep of outrage.

-------

Also, President Obama banned Iraq refugees in 2011 for 6 months – media was silent on that...

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets.
As for the ban...

It isn't racial:

  • As you know, countries do no make up a "race"

  • If you wish to argue that Middle Eastern is a "race" fine but the majority of Middle Eastern States weren't banned so there was no racial ban.
It isn't a religious ban:

  • There are 51 countries in the world that are predominately Muslim. Only 7 of them were banned thus 43 are still welcome in the US

  • Roughly 88% of the worlds Muslim Population is still welcome in the US

  • When the vast majority of Muslims and "Muslim Countries" are not banned, you cannot accurately call it a Muslim ban
It isn't a Regional Ban:

  • Saudi Arabia

  • Turkey

  • Egypt

  • Pakistan
All are predominantly Muslim and all are directly in the region but are not banned...

This is not a Racial, Religious, or Regional Ban...this is a ban of 7 specific countries.

Why these seven countries:

About a year ago, President Obama and Homeland Security identified 7 countries as a terrorist threat to the US based on the growing amount of terror attacks in the world from these regions....And yes it is the exact same 7 countries that Trump banned.

Obama's response to Homeland was to remove the "visa waiver program" in these 7 countries... This meant that anyone coming from these 7 countries would have to be fully vetted.

Trump took these same 7 countries and is banning them all for 90 days

The seven were not picked because of racism, Trump business interests, etc...they were picked because even the previous administration thought they were more "dangerous" than the surrounding countries in the region...

-----

So it's the same 7 countries. Everyone needs to take a breath here.

Oh, and as for you Tim Cook... focus on this for starters...

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No more 5400 RPM Hard Drives
Well said
 
Six countries were from the Obama administration. Trump added Syria. Obama previously halted visas and registers from Iraq (don't remember that in the news). Restricting green cards makes no sense.

But here is the real important thing. No one cares what you think Tim! Make some better PowerBooks. Update the iMac and Mac mini. Make iPads great again.
 
But here is the real important thing. No one cares what you think Tim! Make some better PowerBooks. Update the iMac and Mac mini. Make iPads great again.

Fix Safari. It's horrible, always going beachball on me then entering a race condition requiring a force quit. I'm using Chrome these days.

Maps on iOS still sucks, too.
 
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