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Well done Apple! Anyway, good that most of their money are held distributed overseas. They should build a few other alternative spaceships, one in a EU country, and one in China.
 
good point, but show me a "banned" country higher than the USA on education rankings?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

and this poll lists US as third, so what the **** gives?

http://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-education

Sir, Education rankings has nothing to do with talent. If a person from a poor country is making into US as student or as an employee of a corporation is not an easy path. Some times the problem faced by the person from poor country can make him a better innovator as he thinks of solving the problems around him. In majority of the cases Highly skilled professionals have decades of experience in their respective STEM fields. I don't think it is easy to replace their experience and value they bring into the corporations by just training a replacement. Corporations have a standardized interview process to hire professionals if they find some body who is talented they will not like to loose them. Organizations continuously evaluate the performance of their professionals on quarterly/ yearly basis. Loosing an experienced highly skilled professional to some other competitor or country is last thing they can think of. High skilled jobs are very demanding in majority of the cases you will need to be ready to acquire new skills on quarterly basis as per the changing technology trends. Constantly acquiring those new skills on regular basis is very challenging and involves lot of hard work and dedication. Corporations will not like to loose such hardworking professionals.
 
Just rev the god damn Mac Pro already.
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Sir, Education rankings has nothing to do with talent. If a person from a poor country is making into US as student or as an employee of a corporation is not an easy path. Some times the problem faced by the person from poor country can make him a better innovator as he thinks of solving the problems around him. In majority of the cases Highly skilled professionals have decades of experience in their respective STEM fields. I don't think it is easy to replace their experience and value they bring into the corporations by just training a replacement. Corporations have a standardized interview process to hire professionals if they find some body who is talented they will not like to loose them. Organizations continuously evaluate the performance of their professionals on quarterly/ yearly basis. Loosing an experienced highly skilled professional to some other competitor or country is last thing they can think of. High skilled jobs are very demanding in majority of the cases you will need to be ready to acquire new skills on quarterly basis as per the changing technology trends. Constantly acquiring those new skills on regular basis is very challenging and involves lot of hard work and dedication. Corporations will not like to loose such hardworking professionals.

Let's get one thing straight, most of the corporate tech companies are using these countries as a source of cheap qualified labor, while telling everyone else that Americans can't meet demands in the sector. It's utter ******** and they want to pay an engineer 40k instead of 80k.
 
Uhhhuu, more than half the country who voted for him based on he same things he said he was going to do?????

Love these liberals who whine and cry when they don't get their way.

What's wrong with Extreme Vetting?? We need more of it

Half the country didn't vote for him. He didn't even get half of the country who actually bothered to vote.

You are entitled to your opinions, even if they are rooted in hatred and ignorance. You are not entitled to your own facts.
 
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I am surprised to see so many readers support the executive order.
The executive order challenges to human rights, and the President appears he even does not know what are human rights.
I am simply embarrassed.
Yep, because Trump also has a reality distortion field. But his field works only on himself and on people with low IQ. But the really sad part of this is, it worked on over 50% of the American citizens. Connect the dots!
 
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Let's get one thing straight, most of the corporate tech companies are using these countries as a source of cheap qualified labor, while telling everyone else that Americans can't meet demands in the sector. It's utter ******** and they want to pay an engineer 40k instead of 80k.

That is not true and is just a myth in majority of the scenarios. DOL determines the prevailing wage and companies pay them. A highly skilled engineer with over a decade of experience will not work for $40k.
 
That is not true and is just a myth in majority of the scenarios. DOL determines the prevailing wage and companies pay them. A highly skilled engineer with over a decade of experience will not work for $40k.

They will if they are from a ****** country. We have plenty of American technology workers who struggle to find jobs.
 
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This gives Jihadist fuel for fire.
Doesn't solve anything is a bad idea and seems like he is just owning up to a campaign promise.
 
They will if they are from a ****** country. We have plenty of American technology workers who struggle to find jobs.

No sir DOL will not allow that. If they is any evidence of such practices they should be punished. Anyway as of June 2016 there were 223000 vacant software developer jobs and that number will be more today. Do you think companies will keep them vacant with out recruiting domestic technology workers if they have the required skills with relevant experience to handle those jobs? I agree with you on the emotional front. As a developer with a decade of experience I know it is difficult to keep on upgrading your skills with changing technology trends for decades till you quit the job.

http://www.inc.com/salvador-rodriguez/act-software-developers-map.html
 
It's funny to see idealists, who read a lot of text books and theories, but never personally know what it feels like to have no hope and no future, who never personally experience some of the most wicked acts of human kind, yet think that they can choose to think positive and problems will go away or problems can be solve in a clear cut way.

One can not fight terrorists effectively and still look friendly to everybody.

Come back to this topic when you personally lost someone to terrorists or personally talked to those who were victims of terrorists.
 
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No sir DOL will not allow that. If they is any evidence of such practices they should be punished. Anyway as of June 2016 there were 223000 vacant software developer jobs and that number will be more today. Do you think companies will keep them vacant with out recruiting domestic technology workers if they have the required skills with relevant experience to handle those jobs? I agree with you on the emotional front. As a developer with a decade of experience I know it is difficult to keep on upgrading your skills with changing technology trends for decades till you quit the job.

http://www.inc.com/salvador-rodriguez/act-software-developers-map.html

They actually keep the jobs vacant for the sole purpose of bringing foreign engineers in to take them. This is how they bypass requirements to find local workers. There are usually requirements that they have local postings before applying for foreign visas.

I work for a blue chip tech corp, I've seen this done with my own eyes. We are shipping jobs to India currently and retiring older workers to replace them with cheaper labor.
 
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That is not true and is just a myth in majority of the scenarios. DOL determines the prevailing wage and companies pay them. A highly skilled engineer with over a decade of experience will not work for $40k.

It's not a myth. Most of the H1Bs go to Indian outsourcing firms used by tech companies who then pay them a below market wage. If that wasn't bad enough, we are now seeing H1Bs being exploited for non-tech jobs like accountants:

McDonalds Hires Foreign H-1Bs, Fires 70 American Accounting Staff:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...ign-h-1bs-fires-70-american-accounting-staff/
 
It's funny to see idealists, who read a lot of text books and theories, but never personally know what it feels like to have no hope and no future, who never personally experience some of the most wicked acts of human kind, yet think that they can choose to think positive and problems will go away or problems can be solve in a clear cut way.

One can not fight terrorists effectively and still look friendly to everybody.

Come back to this topic when you personally lost someone to terrorists.

That's a lot of assumptions there.
 
They will if they are from a ****** country. We have plenty of American technology workers who struggle to find jobs.

I work as a Software Engineer in the Middle East. I'm originally from Denmark. My salary is around 125k usd/year after taxes. There are lots of immigrant workers here from poor countries and yet I get a salary comparable to an engineer based in Silicon Valley. I guess my company overpaid? They don't seem to think so.

I'm not a manager or anything like that. Just a developer who's good at his job. We would very much like to hire some of those struggling americans if they measure up but so far we haven't found any.
 
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Let's get one thing straight, most of the corporate tech companies are using these countries as a source of cheap qualified labor, while telling everyone else that Americans can't meet demands in the sector. It's utter ******** and they want to pay an engineer 40k instead of 80k.
Well, why should a multinational operating company support primary the USA. Just because their roots come from USA and their HQ is still there?. If you go the time further back, we come all from Africa. And now? Most of Apples money are done and held outside the USA. Face it, USA is not the owner world. And if someday Aliens invade the earth, they won't come to NY first, too. Like US movies tend to show us.
 
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They actually keep the jobs vacant for the sole purpose of bringing foreign engineers in to take them. This is how they bypass requirements to find local workers.

I work for a blue chip tech corp, I've seen this done with my own eyes. We are shipping jobs to India currently and retiring older workers to replace them with cheaper labor.

I am not qualified to comment on your personal experience sir. Yes that is bad but we cannot say it as cheap labor as they might get paid well as per their living standards. Tech sector is a very dynamic industry I always find the need to update my skills with the changing trends some times I spend weekends acquiring new skills. I always feel that the day I stop updating my skills I should quit and look for something else because with my outdated skills I may not make any sense to my employer. I am sorry if spoke some thing wrong these are strictly my thoughts. Have a good night sir.
 
So how many employees, exactly, does Apple have in Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and Yemen? If the answer is ZERO, then Tim is full of crap.

Those countries you listed have over 212 million people living in them, and that's not counting any expats living in other countries, which probably brings the number higher. So if you assume that hired employees are equally likely to come from any country, then out of its 66,000 employees, Apple should have about 1,900 employees from those countries.

Realistically, the number is probably a lot lower than that, because AFAIK Apple doesn't have offices in any of those countries (the nearest Apple presence is in the UAE), but even still, odds are remarkably good that the number isn't zero.
 
I work as a Software Engineer in the Middle East. I'm originally from Denmark. My salary is around 125k usd/year after taxes. There are lots of immigrant workers here from poor countries and yet I get a salary comparable to an engineer based in Silicon Valley. I guess my company overpaid? They don't seem to think so.

I'm not a manager or anything like that. Just a developer who's good at his job. We would very much like to hire some of those struggling americans if they measure up but so far we haven't found any.

Provide your middle eastern country please so we can see how well it has measured up in modern tech achievements vs the US.
 
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