Apple CEO Tim Cook on Immigration Executive Order: 'It is Not a Policy We Support'

[apolloa]

When my grandparents and mother came to the US as refugees from Germany, they had to:
1. Have a job waiting for them
2. Swear that they weren't going to do bad things to the US, or the people that live here.
3. Have paperwork that proved who they were. It was a pretty bad thing back in 1950's Germany, especially if you were born in East Germany, and were shot at coming past the border. Having "papers" was a catch-22. You need them to prove who you were, and if you had them, and were caught by the Stasi, you and your family paid the price, whether your family helped you or not. Plus, a lot of documents were destroyed in the war.
4. Wait in the country of origin (in their case, it was West Germany, which wasn't as bad as East Germany) until you were approved.
5. Have a sponsor that would help them assimilate

I'm not sure how things are different now, but I feel for people on both sides.

To live in Australia you need to have a job waiting for you before they will let you live there, and the rest of the western world labels them as racists! Including the utterly hypocritical EU which makes it incredibly difficult for any none EU resident to move into and live in an EU state whilst allowing any member of any EU state live in any EU country with little to no control as written in EUROPE law.
Ironic no?

 

[mw360]

You realize your second paragraph contradicts the first. I'm aware of what the judge did.

Way to go overboard with your last two paragraphs.

Contradicts? I guess it could look that way to someone who thinks the ban has been lifted.

As for the rest, let's discuss it next year if he makes it that far.

 

[robbyx]

My Lord, reading all the different comments here, we are going to be one big EMBATTLED country for the next 4 years!

It's why our country is going down the drain. Both sides have become so arrogant and polarized that nothing is getting done. Unless you're the 1%, in which case you've been laughing all the way to the bank for years while the little people fight over propaganda.

 

[B4U]

Timmy, how about just get back to work on the stupidly outdated and crappy products that Apple make instead of running your mouth like the mad dog in the White House?

 

[hagar]

So you think the way to help the middle class is to cut taxes for the one segment of the population that has seen enormous income growth since 1998? Oh, and scrap affordable healthcare, destroy public schools, cripple the country with insane debt from building a useless wall, abandon plans to make university more affordable, and cut environmental regulations that protect people. That is Trump's explicit platform. In other words, handing the country over to billionaires with zero interest in the little guy.

Interesting..

So true. Handing over the country to a bunch of billionaires that only wish to expand their own wealth, will turn out to be a total catastrophe. And the white lower middle class that voted for Trump will continue to support him while he takes away people's liberties and money. Because they don't know any better.

- Jobs jobs jobs! But unemployment is at a low 4%.
- destroying public schools: the uneducated are easier to rule over.
- environment: just gets in the way of expanding businesses and drilling for oil. So just tell the people climate change isn't real. They'll believe it.
- the wall: guess which companies will build that wall with US tax payer money. Trump's friends off course.
- health care: let the market decide so the most expensive health care system in the world can become even more expensive.

It's so obvious. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[Snoopy4]

[QUOTE="Snoopy4, post: 24247647, member: 940524"

You realize your second paragraph contradicts the first. I'm aware of what the judge did.

Way to go overboard with your last two paragraphs.

Contradicts? I guess it could look that way to someone who thinks the ban has been lifted.

As for the rest, let's discuss it next year if he makes it that far.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say the ban was lifted. Go back and read my post. Further your second paragraph suggests his action is unconstitutional, which it is not. The law permits him to take this action. The administrative issue of approved vs. not approved Visas being allowed is not a constitutional question. It's procedural.

 

[robbyx]

That is, one is to assume that this country is allowing people to come in 'blindly'. Just FYI, out of all of the terrorist attacks that were committed on U.S. soil, zero came from those countries. So, to be clear, this ban includes U.S. residents which include Apple employees. Hence why Tim Cook is being vocal about it.

No ban on the worst of them all, the Saudis, despite the fact that all of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Hmmmmm. I wonder why. The American right is so unbelievably gullible and easy to manipulate, which is why Trump ran as a Republican.

 

[Snoopy4]

So true. Handing over the country to a bunch of billionaires that only wish to expand their own wealth, will turn out to be a total catastrophe. And the white lower middle class that voted for Trump will continue to support him while he takes away people's liberties and money. Because they don't know any better.

- Jobs jobs jobs! But unemployment is at a low 4%.
- destroying public schools: the uneducated are easier to rule over.
- environment: just gets in the way of expanding businesses and drilling for oil. So just tell the people climate change isn't real. They'll believe it.
- the wall: guess which companies will build that wall with US tax payer money. Trump's friends off course.
- health care: let the market decide so the most expensive health care system in the world can become even more expensive.

It's so obvious. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

Your hatred for people with money is noted. Any particular reason you don't show the same distain for politicians in search of power who only say they care about you to get your vote, but actually don't?

 

[TechGeek76]

And the white lower middle class that voted for Trump will continue to support him while he takes away people's liberties and money. Because they don't know any better.

And the educated rich people, actors and others who ALSO voted for him. But no, just the white middle class. You may want to try expanding your facts a little further, continuing to spread the same false information over and over and over doesn't make it any more true. Oh, by the way, you still lost.

 

[Snoopy4]

No ban on the worst of them all, the Saudis, despite the fact that all of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Hmmmmm. I wonder why. The American right is so unbelievably gullible and easy to manipulate.

Because Suadi Arabia isn't listed in the law he is leveraging to do this, he can't take action to ban them. You should maybe read up on existing immigration law before you start tossing round insults.

 

[Naimfan]

Go read the law. I posted it. It's quite specific.

You might also read the 1965 law, cited earlier, which bans such discrimination absent Congressional action, which has not taken place.

 

[Snoopy4]

And the educated rich people, actors and others who ALSO voted for him. But no, just the white middle class. You may want to try expanding your facts a little further, continuing to spread the same false information over and over and over doesn't make it any more true. Oh, by the way, you still lost.

The left is the elite in this country. They are losing their grip. Their response is to have the wealthy elite and politically powerful use their serfs to protest.

 

[roland.g]

So you think the way to help the middle class is to cut taxes for the one segment of the population that has seen enormous income growth since 1998? Oh, and scrap affordable healthcare, destroy public schools, cripple the country with insane debt from building a useless wall, abandon plans to make university more affordable, and cut environmental regulations that protect people. That is Trump's explicit platform. In other words, handing the country over to billionaires with zero interest in the little guy.

Interesting..

Let's start by saying that I'd like to see a quite where I said any of those things.

Second, let's look at some of them. The ACA was supposed to make healthcare affordable. But it hasn't. It made it more available and allowed the insurance companies to raise rates at even higher year over year increases due to provisions and a lack of competition in marketplace. The exhanges and the ACA are a failure. It is NOT more affordable. Just more available with a steep cost and borne out of the wrong paradigm. The number of ways in which the legislation was a scam and a lie is too many to list.

Public schools have been an issue. School choice in Colorado has actually moved to better schools here because of competition. Schools that don't get chosen make changes to make them more attractive to parents. However the biggest issues with our schools goes back decades and that is the fact the US education system is just horrible. But it was made worse over the last 4 years by the Common Core mandate. So much so that many of the states that initially supported it have abandoned it in spite of the federal funding they give up in doing so.

Whoa. Stop the wagon. You are going to talk about crippling the country with debt. Were you here while Obama doubled the debt, spending wantonly and singlehandedly putting the country in the worst possible financial position for the future. That is laughable.

I can't even continue to address your baseless concerns. You have no idea what the EPA has done to take jurisdiction over bodies of water and stymie agriculture for nothing other than a big government power grab at the expense of the American farmer. I guess you call that interest in the little guy.

Your ignorance misinformation your broad arguments.

 

[robbyx]

Because Suadi Arabia isn't listed in the law he is leveraging to do this, he can't take action to ban them. You should maybe read up on existing immigration law before you start tossing round insults.

So in other words, it's just theater to please his racist fans and further marginalized our country on the world stage. Go after countries that haven't been a problem while ignoring the obvious ones that not only are a problem, but that actually attacked us in the past. But gotta keep the Saudis happy, just like Bush, Inc. did. So what if they killed a few thousand Americans. Gotta love right wing logic.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Oh good! He threw in a Martin Luther King quote to validate his statement to prove he's not racist. He once again gave Apple a political position and angering some of its customer base. He's really got to go. He uses the word "team" like he actually means it. Hopefully when California succeeds they will keep this guy.

If California seceded- there's no more Apple.

 

[Snoopy4]

You might also read the 1965 law, cited earlier, which bans such discrimination absent Congressional action, which has not taken place.

You mean like this one from 2015?

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/internat...ement-and-terrorist-travel-prevention-act-faq

Or this one from 2002?

https://www.congress.gov/107/plaws/publ173/PLAW-107publ173.pdf

If your going to come at someone casting insults using a law from 1965, you might want to make sure nothing has changed.

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So in other words, it's just theater to please his racist fans and further marginalized our country on the world stage. Go after countries that haven't been a problem while ignoring the obvious ones that not only are a problem, but that actually attacked us in the past. But gotta keep the Saudis happy, just like Bush, Inc. did. So what if they killed a few thousand Americans. Gotta love right wing logic.

No, it's recognizing there are limits to what can be done with an executive order. Unlike the last President, and the one before him.

 

[StevieD100]

This blanket ban has more side effects than most people realise.
Lets take one case. A small boy escapes Somaila aged 6 and finds a loving home in the UK.
Years later, his family live in the USA and he's out of the county unable to return to his family.
His crime was to be born in Somalia even though he is a citizen of the UK.
His name?

Mohammed Farrah. Four time Olympic Gold medal winner at the 5k and 10k track events. Also 4 time World Champ at these distances.
The same mo Farrah that was knighted by Queen Elizabeth in Jan 2017 is not branded a possible terrorist by the US president.
Really?

 

[robbyx]

If California seceded- there's no more Apple.

Actually there's no more USA, especially no more worthless south that complains about personal responsibility and tries to force its Stone Age views on the rest of the country...all while lapping up those liberal California tax dollars since not a single southern state is self sufficient. The best thing for the west is to secede and never look back.

 

[MaulRx]

I've reached for the block button, time for you to grow up.

Blocking someone who voices a different opinion. The online equivalent of taking your ball and going home. Yet, I'm the one that needs to grow up....

 

[Snoopy4]

This blanket ban has more side effects than most people realise.
Lets take one case. A small boy escapes Somaila aged 6 and finds a loving home in the UK.
Years later, his family live in the USA and he's out of the county unable to return to his family.
His crime was to be born in Somalia even though he is a citizen of the UK.
His name?

Mohammed Farrah. Four time Olympic Gold medal winner at the 5k and 10k track events. Also 4 time World Champ at these distances.
The same mo Farrah that was knighted by Queen Elizabeth in Jan 2017 is not branded a possible terrorist by the US president.
Really?

Who cares. Imigration is a priviledge, not a right.

 

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[Snoopy4]

Blocking someone who voices a different opinion. The online equivalent of taking your ball and going home. Yet, I'm the one that needs to grow up....

There is a difference between having an opinion and being insulting while factually wrong.

 

[robbyx]

No, it's recognizing there are limits to what can be done with an executive order. Unlike the last President, and the one before him.

More like a good bit of reality TV for his ignorant, racist base. Sorry, going after countries that haven't done anything to us while ignoring the ones that have is nothing but theater.

 

[Someyoungguy]

Here is what is frightening about the separation of wealth. I go to the outlet mall. I see a lot of lower income families strolling around. The baby mommas and baby daddies are decked out to the nines. Their 4 kids have on all under armour and Nike Jordan's and stuff like that. This stuff isn't cheap. I buy my kids shoes at Target or Payless and get clothes at reasonable prices that aren't pricey brands. And I am fairly sure my wife and I make more money than they do. I think so much of what you see in wealth disparity is the choices of lower income to not live as frugal and within their means. It's not the only reason but it certainly contributes.

How do you know they are lower income or make less than you when they are, as you say, "decked out to the nines"? Is it, by some remote possibility, the color of their skin?

 

[Snoopy4]

More like a good bit of reality TV for his ignorant, racist base. Sorry, going after countries that haven't done anything to us while ignoring the ones that have is nothing but theater.

Goodbye. If all you've got is screaming "racist" we're done.