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Cook is an engineer, so I think it’d go well, actually. But you won’t give him credit for that.

He’s grown Apple by an additional $700B while creating products people continue to buy. As one example, he sold 3X as many iPhones as Jobs ever did.

He also created the wearables market, led Apple to industry leading mobile silicon, and has grown services into a $50B business growing in double digits.

You not liking the products is anecdotal and meaningless. This forum is an echo chamber of hate and disdain, yet the numbers keep rolling in.

Hate on.
hi sorry this not about hate, cook took a company that was already establish, cook didn’t started the iPhone business, he just continue selling them, iphone became very popular but it wasn’t because mr cook did something special, it just took some time since steve introduce the iPhone for the whole thing to blow up and go global, lucky for mr cook when that happens, he was the CEO, i guess you never heard the story about steve leaving a bunch of notes to apple about his ideas, things he never had time to develop but things that he though about it for the future

what i find very interesting is how people talk about us hating on mr cook but that same people attacks steve, so honestly don’t talk about hate

anybody just would it sit on that chair and iPhones would it keep on selling the same way they sold

if you like mr cook i respect that but you also have to respect when others don’t like mr cook, not because we have anything personal against him but simply because we think he is not the right person, because of his business decision

honestly in my opinion he is no leader

you can throw the numbers and talk about numbers just like mr cook but the fact and the matter is that Tim lacks carisma, every time he is on a keynote is a painful experience, sorry but the man truly sucks, we need some one with passion and a vision into the future, a man with pants.
some one who knows how to get the best out of his employees

try to bend the first ipad
try to bend the latest ipad

no more questions your honor
 
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"...if we can't make the best product, we don't go in"

*Except for smart speakers.

Very much disagree with your statement. The sound is excellent, mics pick up voice even over high volume. Excellent product, Apple’s 1st gen product are usually not feature heavy.
2nd gen will be something to look forward to
 
is a bit harder to sell products that are starting fresh compared against products that already been established

when people feel confortable and begin to trust the company that makes the product, then people will begin to buy the product in this case the iPhone

so steve had to do the hardest part, also after steve introduced the first iPhone “2007” he was less time CEO compared to mr cook because steve died in 2011, so that was only 4 years, mr cook been CEO for 8 years, double the time that steve had after he introduced the first iPhone so is just normal or fair that apple sold more iPhones under mr cook simply because Tim been CEO longer than steve in the iPhone era, also steve had to earn the customer trust during that time and after that apple started selling iPhone, so steve had to do the hardest part but you give the credit to mr cook and take the credit away from
the man who really started everything

way to go
 
is a bit harder to sell products that are starting fresh compared against products that already been established

when people feel confortable and begin to trust the company that makes the product, then people will begin to buy the product in this case the iPhone

so steve had to do the hardest part, also after steve introduced the first iPhone “2007” he was less time CEO compared to mr cook because steve died in 2011, so that was only 4 years, mr cook been CEO for 8 years, double the time that steve had after he introduced the first iPhone so is just normal or fair that apple sold more iPhones under mr cook simply because Tim been CEO longer than steve in the iPhone era, also steve had to earn the customer trust during that time and after that apple started selling iPhone, so steve had to do the hardest part but you give the credit to mr cook and take the credit away from
the man who really started everything

way to go
There’s a difference between taking away credit and giving credit where it’s due. The former happened in some eyes and the latter is happening in some eyes. Said another way, there is much conformational bias.
 
hi sorry this not about hate, cook took a company that was already establish, cook didn’t started the iPhone business, he just continue selling them, iphone became very popular but it wasn’t because mr cook did something special, it just took some time since steve introduce the iPhone for the whole thing to blow up and go global, lucky for mr cook when that happens, he was the CEO, i guess you never heard the story about steve leaving a bunch of notes to apple about his ideas, things he never had time to develop but things that he though about it for the future

what i find very interesting is how people talk about us hating on mr cook but that same people attacks steve, so honestly don’t talk about hate

anybody just would it sit on that chair and iPhones would it keep on selling the same way they sold

if you like mr cook i respect that but you also have to respect when others don’t like mr cook, not because we have anything personal against him but simply because we think he is not the right person, because of his business decision

honestly in my opinion he is no leader

you can throw the numbers and talk about numbers just like mr cook but the fact and the matter is that Tim lacks carisma, every time he is on a keynote is a painful experience, sorry but the man truly sucks, we need some one with passion and a vision into the future, a man with pants.
some one who knows how to get the best out of his employees

try to bend the first ipad
try to bend the latest ipad

no more questions your honor
You’d rather have the first iPad than the new one? I don’t bend my tablets and love my 11” Pro.

You’re completely dismissive and wrong about anyone being able to accomplish what a Cook has. $700B in value, my friend. It isn’t that damn easy. Competition is FIERCE in this space and Apple has managed to stay in an extremely dominant position.

Come back with some facts and we can have a discussion. If you say stuff like he doesn’t get the best out employees, has no vision, no pants, and no passion, give examples...or you’re just rambling.
 
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Google has a complete Database on everyone who makes more than $50K per year, including which girls we go out with ! ... they know almost everything ! ... that's how they keep "the machine" going !
 
Ok is it just me or does this sound like a Saturday night live sketch that is unfortunately true! I have said this over the last 4 years Tim Cook must Go! He is a not an innovator, he has no idea where the market is going, Apple is well behind Samsung and microsoft now. He is the CEO that won't go away! Nothing new on the pipelines. Compare the latest Samsung to the iPhone and whether you like it or not it's just not working for Apple. The stereo speaker (not really great.) Air pad, (Flop) Battery technology using graphene to improve longevity, (oops); folding screen? oh and I suppose that the car will be dropped once it's expended $100 Billion dollars! Come ON!!!! Stop wasting money and start producing! Mac Rumors is even getting bored by featuring other products now!? There are so many aspects that apple can improve on
1. Improve the entire music experience by producing a new iPod which brings "Quality" music to life with 1-4TB in high fidelity sound not just the Mp3 crap.
2. Stop switching the photos app every 2 years and develop a long term plan for managing all these iPhotos!!! ? Allow for seamless integration of our photos with AI to help us sort our informaiton meter.
3. iPhone technology and new ideas that interface the OS to MacOS. Using 3D technology to develop a new 3Dimensional interface to our old single plane use of Operating systems.
4. More rapid integration with 3rd party products ie Home kit and especially health apps!
5. Siri integration. Develop Siri for our products!!! It was the first on the market and now it's fallen behind! Alexa, and Google out rank Siri and they are out performing Siri!


My vote as a share holder has you out! Start looking Tim, even the S.F. Chronicle agrees it's time for a replacement!
 
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That’s why tomorrow Apple will announce iMessage to cross platform, so Apple users finally get a cross platform messenger they can actually trust, where they can message everyone out of the box. Because when it comes to privacy and the user, Apple will put their money where their mouth is and walk the talk—no, scrap that, Apple cares first about profit so forget all that other crap we just said.
 
RE: "Apple is a large company, but Cook says that in "some ways," it's "like a big startup."

I am UN-aware of any startup that has (ever) Reported $90.201B USD Long-term Debt !

Also, NO mention of the Google 3A & 3A XL "the day BEFORE" it gets publicly announced ???

It's fairly clear that Google will, starting tomorrow, Start Eating AAPL's Lunch (i.e., their bread & butter iPhone product line).

AAPL has real competition for the first time ever, & it starts tomorrow, yet NO mention of it from CNBC !

They can't be that Dumb, OR maybe they just are.
 
Let me ask you guys a question:

Would Tim Cook be a staunch privacy advocate if Apple happened to be a software only company?
 
Yes, it's been vetted by me! Are you suggesting I go and hire an outside company to do an audit just to prove a point on MacRumors? Lol. Trust me, I've been into network and internet security for about 15 years now. I'm no dummy! There's tons of Open Source projects out there to enhance your security online, you should give it a look instead of relying on a billion dollar corporation to do it, I mean, you can only take their word for it, I can see the results myself of my work myself.

I’ll look into it as much as I can understand and continue to learn more.

Yet by your summation, you’re trusting the general public (open sources) actions are better than a publicly traded company who must adhere to security which more than likely has employees with the same if not Bette elévelas of experience as you and whom more than likely follow the same open source documentation and applicable protocols and code as you do. After all the code base of OS X is open sourced out. Which leads to the open source community finding holes to be breached and participates in hack-a-thins or whatever these events are called to get clout and money’s paid for being the best. Not all communicate the leaks or breaches found, which is what I had thought the basis of the whole open source movement was initially intended for. I see your stance on this as a conundrum (if that’s the right word for what I’m thinking). With all your experience and open source connections are you sure they’ll work with iOS currently and in the future as changes occur? Will you get the same functionality?

That’s what I intended to ask before.
 
Literally the only side Tim is on is the one that generates $$$. Nothing else, period.

Yes that is his fiduciary role as CEO, but be honest about it. These faux crusades are nothing more than avenues to explore to see if they can generate even more billions of dollars. Anyone who praises Apple and thinks these actions are because they are on their side is immensely gullible and have fallen for the sales patter.

"Mr + Ms Consumer, we are on your side. That is why we charge you $1500 for a phone".

Apple has had a pretty consistent message on privacy for at least a decade.

"No, Silicon Valley is not monolithic. We’ve always had a very different view of privacy than some of our colleagues in the Valley. We take privacy very seriously.

As an example, we worry a lot about location in phones. And, we worry that some 14 year-old is going to get stalked and something terrible is going to happen because of our phone.

And so, as an example, before any app can get location data, we don’t make it a rule that they have to put up a panel and ask [permission], because they might not follow that rule. They call our location services and we put up a panel. Saying, ‘this app wants to use your location data, is that okay with you?’ — every time they want to use it.

And, we do a lot of things like that, to ensure that people understand what these apps are doing. That’s one of the reasons why we have the curated App Store. We’ve rejected a lot of apps that want to take a lot of your personal data, and suck it up into the cloud. A lot.

So, we’re really old — a lot of people in the Valley think we’re really old-fashioned about this. And maybe we are. But we worry about stuff like this."
-Steve Jobs, D8 conference 2010
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Are you saying you don’t have Google maps installed on your phone? How about Gmail? YouTube? Google search? Facebook? Etc??

Also apparently the cell phone providers are selling your location data to anybody with the money to buy it. Etc Etc. etc.

So…no privacy on your iPhone. Sorry about that.

Never had a Google account and have never downloaded a Google app on my iOS devices. Don't really do web searching on my phone.

Leave in Europe where they don't sell your location or your usage pattern.
 
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Google doesn't get my identifying information. So my privacy is still intact.

So you're ok with Tim's complete hypocrisy? Noted
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What's really sad is none of the moan-n-whine peeps have the courage to switch. Much easier to whimper and stay angry/unhappy. It is entertaining though.

El oh el....courage huh? I switched quite some time ago and have never looked back.
 
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If Apple had to make money off your data, they would. They sell hardware, so they don't.

Does anyone really believe otherwise? I'm glad Apple offers privacy, but Cook is WAY too preachy about this and he's not fooling anyone.
 
Apparently developing your own SoC for chipsets, manufacturing devices for the health and mobile industry, and making computers does not make them a tech company.

I don't know what's worse here: the fact you and Neil Cybart got into the ecosystem circa 2011 and believe in this, or the fact you continue to cite Neil Cybart who got you to spend money on a subscription to this drivel :)

Neil Cybart says, "In reality, Apple's largest risk isn't found in being a design company or not being a technology company. Instead, it's in becoming a tech company. If Apple finds itself moving away from being design-led, the product will be put into jeopardy. This is likely one reason why Cook continues to bet so heavily on design".

The biggest risk is actually neither of these. The biggest risk is forgetting who your audience is.
And pray tell - who is this audience that is supposedly being forgotten, and what exactly is the big deal again?

The Apple of today serves a very different group of users today compared to 10-20 years ago. To put it bluntly, these original core group of users simply don’t matter anymore. They got to enjoy the ride from the start, but now their secluded island has been inundated by a population of visitors that outnumbers them by a couple of orders of magnitude.

This new population sets the tone for what kind of company Apple will become, because they have the power in this new relationship.

Has Apple “lost its way”? Apple is slowly but surely transitioning into a much more traditional company, and its behaviour will start to match those of a traditional company’s behaviour. If you want to consider that as them “losing their way”, then yeah.

And with regards to subscribing to Neil Cybart, I spend $200 a year, and I consider it worth every last cent. His articles really offer a lot of insight into how Apple works and thinks. I don't really care all that much for his financial analysis (which is ironic, given that this is his forte, but numbers just bore me), but he is generally quite close to the mark. For instance, I recall he estimated that the iPhone user base was 945 million at the start of the year (Apple would shortly announce that they had 900 million active iPhone users, which is much closer than the ~600 million some of you were running with here).

https://www.ped30.com/2019/01/31/apple-best-worst-analysts-q1-2019/

And he is considered the most accurate analyst as of the start of this year.

So tell me - what exactly have you all said or done of late to give you any credibility? When Apple continues to prosper in spite of the numerous criticism levelled at them, maybe it's time to reflect on previously-held assumptions and prejudices, rather than double down on them?

What I am instead seeing here is a small group of extremely vocal Mac enthusiasts who feel that they have been left behind by Apple (perhaps not unjustifiably so), and as such, are completely incapable of evaluating any of Apple's subsequent endeavours in an objective light. I mean, you all routinely criticise anything by Apple that isn't a Mac Pro. One Macrumours member even has a bingo card which (pretty accurately) sums up how the haters will respond to any piece of news.

How sad is that?
 
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Tim looks surprisingly low energy and kinda down in this. I must say that I prefer this Tim over the awkward SJW who tries to sell the same thing over and over again.
 
You’d rather have the first iPad than the new one? I don’t bend my tablets and love my 11” Pro.

You’re completely dismissive and wrong about anyone being able to accomplish what a Cook has. $700B in value, my friend. It isn’t that damn easy. Competition is FIERCE in this space and Apple has managed to stay in an extremely dominant position.

Come back with some facts and we can have a discussion. If you say stuff like he doesn’t get the best out employees, has no vision, no pants, and no passion, give examples...or you’re just rambling.
well it doesn’t matter what i say, you always going to think the way you think so there is really no point, you misunderstood the comment about the bendable iPads, apple obsession with making things thinner, yes a newer iPad is better and faster but at the sacrifice of quality control, i’m not rambling, anybody that really knows the difference between Jobs and Cook, knows that Cook is no where near the level of Steve but you are free to believe whatever you like, no problem, i never try to convince others, i always let them think the way they think, when you try to convince others, you really are trying to convince yourself, so i don’t need to convince myself, i know what i know and that is more than enough for me, sorry but for me Tim is not good enough, i can’t wait for him to go away

Tim Cooks AKA Steve Ballmer 2.0 is good for numbers etc
but Steve was good at that but also at everything else, that is the big difference

you just have to watch a keynote or hear them talking to noticed the difference right away
I admired Steve because he was very smart and honest, also the way he view things and also the way he explained things

TIM DOESN'T HAVE NONE OF THAT

it was Steve who started apple, it was Steve who name cook CEO not the other way around
if it wasn't for Steve we wouldn't have any iPhone or iPad

but of course mr cook is a genius, please
it reminds of a line that I learn recently
"how quickly people forget"

anyway, it was good writing to you, reading your comment and exchanging opinions, no problem, we just have different opinions and point of views

regards
 
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you just have to watch a keynote or hear them talking to noticed the difference right away
You speak as though a CEO is graded only on his ability to speak on stage and nothing else.

it was Steve who started apple, it was Steve who name cook CEO not the other way around
if it wasn't for Steve we wouldn't have any iPhone or iPad
And nobody is saying that Steve Job's contributions don't matter.

But this doesn't mean that Tim Cook isn't doing a great job of running Apple either. Each of them have their own strengths and weaknesses, and are simply running a company the best they can, in accordance with their pros and cons.

And honestly, I’m not convinced Apple would be better off with Jobs at the helm with the company at its current size and trajectory anyway. I have to wonder if he would have stepped aside anyway by now.

i know what i know and that is more than enough for me, sorry but for me Tim is not good enough, i can’t wait for him to go away

Well, I guess it's just as well that neither of us actually have a say in Apple's hiring practices. I don't think Tim Cook is going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Absolutely. Cook is a genius, who grew Apple. If one doesn't like the management of Apple, the direction of Apple or the products, there is much competition out there, and there is something for everyone.

McDonalds sells more burgers now than in the past. Therefore whoever the current CEO is must be a massive genius and way better than the founders.
 
McDonalds sells more burgers now than in the past. Therefore whoever the current CEO is must be a massive genius and way better than the founders.
Did the current ceo of Macdonalds’ grow the business by $700B? Create new categories of burgers and toppings etc?

Tim Cook already got his accolades and come-uppance in his paychecks. Probably reading some of these posts on these forums and smirking.
 
Did the current ceo of Macdonalds’ grow the business by $700B? Create new categories of burgers and toppings etc?

Tim Cook already got his accolades and come-uppance in his paychecks. Probably reading some of these posts on these forums and smirking.

No chance he's reading, there are no celebrities on here.
 
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