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Looking forward to hearing more about Vision Pro. It will take quite some time for Vision Pro to be available in all the markets.
 
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The non-success of 3D TVs with much more lightweight glasses has shown that that’s not what people want.
It’s quite fascinating how much an extra component can cause failure. 3D TVs were such a great experience (my projector does 3D and it’s out of this world), but the cost and process of wearing additional items were too much for the everyday household.

The vision pro is a solitary machine and regardless of what people try to pitch, will be for quite a while. This is its greatest flaw.

In a world where a lot of households barely use desktop computers, I find it very hard to believe a family of 4 will have much use for the Vision Pro, as cool as it sounds. iPhones solved problems. The Vision Pro enhances your current experience, and for that, will be a hard sell…even at a cheaper price.
 
Wow, “not a hobby” is actually strong words. He knows what he’s saying. I don’t think they still have ever said that exact phrase about the Apple TV. Which would be in direct contradiction to the Word of Jobs.
 
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The non-success of 3D TVs with much more lightweight glasses has shown that that’s not what people want.
Thank you for pointing this out.
I'd never yet realised this and it's rare for me to hear something actually NEW from someone that adds to my thoughts on a product/catagory.

As you say.......

If you cannot get normal people to be bothered to put on extremely light weight glasses to get a better experience from a 3D movie on their normal TV, none of which have all the issues.
So much they these normal people just end up not bothering, and even sell the TV to not get a 3D model next time, then there's literally zero hope that these same "normal people" are going to be bothered to put on a large heavy headset strapped to their face, which may not even make it's way thru a full movie without being recharged just to enjoy some large screen 3D experience.

Sure, a very small group will, but no way is this mainstream for this type of use case.
 
The headset will have a gaming focus
That’s a joke since it doesn’t support motion controllers. Most games can’t get away with hand tracking alone and 2D gaming with a console controller wearing a headset is ridiculous.
Apple is solidifying its reputation for gaming with the iPhone 15 Pro models.
That’s an even bigger joke. No real gamer is going consider getting a phone over a PC or dedicated console.
 
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Doubt it, but maybe.

Apple is getting serious about gaming, but the Vision Pro team was silo'd off from those efforts and their lead hates gaming. The developer sessions for the Vision Pro state that fast paced games are out of the question due to latency with hand tracking in VR mode, and no controller support.

I fully expect a 2nd Gen Vision Pro will embrace gaming and be the forcing function which causes a lot of early adopters to upgrade, probably in late 2026 or early 2027. 1st gen is going to establish spatial computing as a paradigm and be primarily used for content consumption and maybe occasionally second screen stuff with a Mac as a novelty (given how heavy the headset is I doubt people will spent 8 hours a day in it).
That’s what I’ve been saying this whole time. It’s not a gaming device at all and the type of gaming you can do on it is laughable. They missed out on the largest part of the current VR market. I wasn’t going to rush out and get it, but I might have considered it more if it could do gaming better than my Quest 2.
 
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Still not a single apple product under his guidance that brought us pure joy and excitement. Great CEO on the other hand for shareholders and keeping Apple as Apple as possible.
Apple Watch. AirPods. M1 MBA. To name a few.
 
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That’s an even bigger joke. No real gamer is going consider getting a phone over a PC or dedicated console.
If Apple sold an affordable iPhone "game kit" with a TV dock and controllers to make it like the Switch, and offered Nintendo-quality exclusive games, then it could conceivably be a thing. Or an Apple TV with PS5/Xbox-grade graphics and more storage and nice controllers, and more seamless "continuity" with gaming on the iPhone. They also don't seem to know how to do the marketing right for it to be appealing to gamers. It’s all Apple cringe instead of looking cool and inspired and fun.
 
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I’m looking forward to this going to mass production cause I’ll mean I get a virtual IMAX like experience without dedicating a room in my house for it.

When I was single I basically lived on a cinema and gym. I miss the immersion I got from sitting 1m away from a 120 inch projector. I hope the headset will surpass that and I can just be sat on my sofa
 
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I simply cannot wait! My biggest gripe with Oculus, etc. has been a firm lack of Mac integration (understandably)...This will change everything.
I doubt it will, iOS or iCloud integration but casting any apps from the Mac to Vision I don’t see that happening.
 
If you consider the fact that Mac prices have not gone up with inflation for a couple decades, costs have technically come down a lot. If you spent $2499 on a 15” PowerBook G4 20 years ago, that’s the same as ~$4000 today, but the 16” M2 Pro MacBook Pro starts at the same price.
Then the idea that tech devices get cheaper is totally bogus -- they never get cheaper. You can think one way, or the other, but not both.

Personally, putting inflation into the equation doesn't make sense at all, total dollars at the time of purchase says it's either cheaper or not. If I paid $2500 for a Mac in 2010, and pay $2500 now for one, that's the same price.
 
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The AVP is fixed-focus, so in some ways, the AVP should be better than reality for people who have eyes with fixed focus.
Thanks. Yes, that is true to a point.

But the corrective lenses (which likely will be very expensive Zeiss optics) have to correct for whatever that fixed (virtual) distance may be. And I am not convinced that the necessary prescriptions will be available.

Also, IOLs can cause other issues, in my case diffraction spikes around bright points. Other's suffer from severe glare when light enters the iris at specific angles, and the AVP may want to push light at those angles.
 
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Not having tried it I feel it’s hard to argue with Tim Cook’s statement that it’s an aha-moment. I do feel the 3500 dollar cost will significantly slow adoption speed, and maybe this device will never attain critical mass in terms of consumer interest.
 
Since this site has a lot of users that upgrade phones yearly and go for the more expensive storage options, I am curious to see how many buy this lol. I am not rich by any means so I can't afford to. But if it drops down to like the cost of an iPhone pro max at like 1300-1400 bucks, I would buy one.
 
I’m convinced this is the next big thing that’ll happen. It takes time though for technology to catch up with the vision but I’m sure that in the 2040’s these smart glasses or maybe even smart contacts will be mainstream. There was this novel by David Brin, Existence, a while ago that pretty much opened my eyes.
 
This product is revolutionary and dangerous at the same time. I hope people stop saying "but technology!!" and realized what I mean here. I've asked people in the industry about this product because I love Apple products, I have all of them, I make a living using Apple products, but I am not the only one with the same sentiment as below.

From one of my close tech friends who used to work for IBM and Google: The Apple Vision Pro, while touted as the next big leap in technological innovation, carries with it a slew of potential societal repercussions. Its immersive features and unparalleled user experience can lead individuals to prefer the digital realm over the tangible world. As people increasingly turn to this device for entertainment, work, and social interactions, there's a risk that genuine human connections will wane, causing an increase in feelings of loneliness and isolation. Instead of engaging in face-to-face interactions, individuals may find themselves lost in the virtual world, sacrificing authentic relationships for digital ones. This could foster a society where the line between reality and the virtual is blurred, diminishing the value of real-world experiences and connections.
We are already quite a ways down that road...
 
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Now I haven’t tried this, or even considered to buy this thing.

But to me the most aha-moment would be: looking people in the eyes again after taking it off, looking at the sky and all other beautiful things in life again.

So no, I don’t need to get into the computer.
It works better using it and have some distance to it as well - for me!
 
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