I would not want to have anything to do with with such a serial fabulist like Clinton, but I suppose that major CEOs have to line up to do service for the candidate that Goldman Sachs built.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Plans to Host Fundraiser for Hillary Clinton Next Month
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I live in Europe and for me the elections in the US are one big soap opera. Nothing serious about it. You claim you live in the land of the free but you all complain the party you don't vote for is corrupt. And you watch the news channel that is linked to your party. If you don't realise how messed up that is, there's not much hope left.
And the true tragedy is that the Republican Party, the party for the rich intended to make the rich even richer, manages to suck in the poor and uneducated to still vote for them. They vote for a system that will keep them poor and uneducated. And Trump will be the exponent of this intend. Too bad many are too blind to realise it.
Like for instance, the people that claim here they will sell their Apple toys because of Tim Cook and switch to Android. Of course, they won't. Selective outrage until the next delusion comes along.
And the true tragedy is that the Republican Party, the party for the rich intended to make the rich even richer, manages to suck in the poor and uneducated to still vote for them. They vote for a system that will keep them poor and uneducated. And Trump will be the exponent of this intend. Too bad many are too blind to realise it.
Like for instance, the people that claim here they will sell their Apple toys because of Tim Cook and switch to Android. Of course, they won't. Selective outrage until the next delusion comes along.
Wow when did we get to the point where a lying criminal is better than a loud mouth?
I just have to say that I find it completely incredible that Trump supporters accuse Clinton of greed and dishonesty. It's like a meth head scolding someone over an unhealthy lifestyle. Donald Trump isn't a lying criminal? Really?? Do they even know anything about their candidate other than what he spoon feeds them?
All this blather is a Trump marketing tool to distract his posse from the fact that he has literally nothing to run on. The Russians, planning their second takeover, are salivating. (And, it appears, trying to help.) And to those Trump supporters who accuse Clinton of improper conduct, know that by inviting the Russians to hack the DNC, he's in violation of the Logan Act, which puts him next to treason.
People in glass Trump Towers shouldn't throw stones.
All this blather is a Trump marketing tool to distract his posse from the fact that he has literally nothing to run on. The Russians, planning their second takeover, are salivating. (And, it appears, trying to help.) And to those Trump supporters who accuse Clinton of improper conduct, know that by inviting the Russians to hack the DNC, he's in violation of the Logan Act, which puts him next to treason.
People in glass Trump Towers shouldn't throw stones.
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They are both serial prevaricators and fabulists. Hillary's does seem to have been more criminal though. They're both say anything to get elected (well, in Donald's case, he'll just say anything period) and not a word of any of it is to be believed.
Thats because the whole thing is corrupt! Never has it been so bad as today where the whole system is rigged and lying about facts seems to be fine and generally accepted. Each party blaming the other so nothing gets done at all. Compromise seems to no longer be an option. The whole thing needs a reset. Its really sad when the people of the USA can even consider putting someone in charge of the most powerful country in the world who is clearly about as corrupt as it can be. Who has been proven to lie about extremely important things and deceive the general public on just about every thing imaginable but still has at least 50% of the folks support. smh
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How exactly is that? She preaches about big bad evil corporations and wants to put them in their place. So she is not exactly the big companies friend when it comes to business (according to her). Hmmm maybe Tim is trying to change that come to think of it. Make some donations, get her in his back pocket and maybe then it WILL be good for his business.
Tim felt compelled to blast the State of Indiana last year in a Washington Post Op-Ed piece for being "discriminatory" but he has no problem with having 10 Apple stores in Iran where being gay is punishable by death. I guess "talk is cheap", it didn't cost Apple anything for him to blast Indiana but saying anything negative about Iran might put Iranian sales at risk.
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People are not going to a fundraiser hosted by Tim Cook because they like Tim Cook the person. They want to meet Tim Cook the CEO of Apple.
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1) Hillary so obviously violated a lot of laws, and no-one involved seriously denies this. Her best defense was that she was just grossly incompetent, not criminal.
2) Bush's "war crimes" were to get involved in a ware you didn't agree with. I guess you forget that all of the Democrat's, INCLUDING HILLARY, likewise voted to enter the war. Guess you like to forget that part. (but i'm going to assume you aren't even intelligent enough to distinguish between actually violating a law versus just doing something you don't agree with).
3) But aside from the mutual decision to enter the war, i'd like to know which acts/occurrences that took place in the war you think were war crimes? And of those, which were Bush's fault?
4) Obama, and Pelosi, promised that we were going to have the most open and transparent administration ever. EVER. Would you care to guess how many top level administration appointees have had to appear under oath and exercise their 5th amendment right to not testify lest they incriminate themselves?
5) Why do you guys need to keep bringing up the damn birth certificate thing? Obama created that whole to-do by refusing to show his. It was quite a simple request. You are required to have one to be president. Really don't get why he wouldn't show it, and i really don't get why people think its wrong to have to show it when asked. I've had to show my birth certificate for various things in my life, as have you I'm sure. Tell you what... next time you are required to show yours for something, try refusing... call the person asking for it a "birther". See where that gets you.
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I mostly agree with you. I don't mind entertainers showing their political views (and making fools out of themselves)... because an entertainer is their own identity and image. They aren't associated with something else. For example, you don't associate an actor with the various movie studios he's worked for. But a CEO like Tim Cook... give me a break all you people saying that he's just doing it in his personal life. He is one of the most prominent figures in the world. He is the face of Apple. When he does something like co-sign a letter protesting the bathroom law... he's doing it as the face of Apple. People can't separate the two.
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Being controversial is not bad. In fact, in the so overly excessive politically correct world we live in now, its pretty much impossible to have values and stand by them without being called controversial.
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Oh my good i really hope you don't believe this. Give me a break. Having an actual business man at the helm is worse for business than someone that doesn't know the first thing about it!
Have you not noticed who's actually afraid of him? I'll give you a clue: people NOT within the US. Occam's Razor says that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. If non-us citizens hate a US politician's policies, does that mean they think they are bad for the US or bad for them?
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Load of crap your argument is. Business' takes a lot of care to state that views expressed do not represent those of the company. Can't watch a lot of tv shows without reading that disclaimer. And how many citizens have been canned for expressing their personal views. Remember what used to be the opening song to Monday Night Football? Remember why the singer who used to do it had his song pulled and replaced? Because he dared to express a conservative political view, in HIS PERSONAL LIFE.
Dont kid yourself... if Apple didn't stand by and agree with him, you'd hear about it from them.
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If you actually read my post you would notice I didn't say anything even related to your assumption...
can't believe anything else Tim says about protecting our privacy if he would support one of the most hawkish, right-wing, pro-NSA, anti-Snowden politicians around.
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that's where you're wrong. LOTS of things get done: erosion of civil rights. expansion of corporate power. reduction of regulation. and, most importantly, the radical transfer of wealth from the masses to the elite.
These are the ONLY things that Hillary, Donald, or any other politician is in power to do. And the people who put them in power are not the voters, but their corporate puppetmasters. Don't be distracted by healthcare and education, and blah blah blah. Those are only meant to occupy the sheeple with inconsequential debate to keep everyone placated while they run this whole thing into the ground.
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that's where you're wrong. LOTS of things get done: erosion of civil rights. expansion of corporate power. reduction of regulation. and, most importantly, the radical transfer of wealth from the masses to the elite.
These are the ONLY things that Hillary, Donald, or any other politician is in power to do. And the people who put them in power are not the voters, but their corporate puppetmasters. Don't be distracted by healthcare and education, and blah blah blah. Those are only meant to occupy the sheeple with inconsequential debate to keep everyone placated while they run this whole thing into the ground.
Yup, that about sums it up, except they will never reduce regulation, all good statist want everything regulated so well that by the time you wake up and before you have your morning coffee, you will have already committed a few felonies.
First, having values and standing by them is something Trump has never been accused of.
Second, of course I do believe he will ruin the economy, as do most economists. He wants to start a trade war. Just him hinting at that made investors **** their pants. I don't see how you could think having a business man, especially one as bad as him, at the helm of the most powerful country in the world is better than someone with actual diplomatic and governing experience. Have you gone mad!? You know that the US can't just declare bankruptcy if a trade deal goes bad, right?...
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No, she hasn't committed any crimes, and EVERYONE involved seriously denies it. There were 3 emails that even the FBI admits were mismarked. There is nothing there to be a crime, that's why they didn't charge her with anything. There was no crime. It was a minor clerical error. Not treason.
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Like building a wall around Mountain View and making Google pay for it?
Why wouldn't Tim get involved? It's not like you have two valid candidates with valid political views to choose from.
Half of the voters want to choose a dangerous fascist for their next president.
We don't know anything about trump. except that he would do anything to get richer. Like bullying, threatening and sueing old people that didn't want to move when he wanted to build a huge golf course in the middle of Scottish nature. Which turned out a disaster. He also promised 6000 jobs that never came (there are only 100).
4 years of Trump and the economy will be down the toilet, environmental laws will be reversed, less money for education, no transition to clean energy, more racism and hate causing a rise in crime and terrorism, ...
Empty promises, empty promises. That's all he has. So good for Tim for backing the only valid candidate. Even if she has her downsides too.
Half of the voters want to choose a dangerous fascist for their next president.
We don't know anything about trump. except that he would do anything to get richer. Like bullying, threatening and sueing old people that didn't want to move when he wanted to build a huge golf course in the middle of Scottish nature. Which turned out a disaster. He also promised 6000 jobs that never came (there are only 100).
4 years of Trump and the economy will be down the toilet, environmental laws will be reversed, less money for education, no transition to clean energy, more racism and hate causing a rise in crime and terrorism, ...
Empty promises, empty promises. That's all he has. So good for Tim for backing the only valid candidate. Even if she has her downsides too.
I took it more like, Hillary broke 3 different laws not 3 emails that were just mismarked. By the FBI's head on admission Hillary broke these laws, and mostly lied about the whole thing just as she does on most things. While I partially agree with you about Trump, Hillary is a known liar and now a known criminal as well and yet still people refuse to face facts even when those facts are hitting them in the face constantly. This doesn't even get into other things Hillary has done.
In Hillary's history we have pushing for policies with her version of Romney-Obama Care to welfare reform, to get tough on Crime, free trade and de-regulation of Big Banks and Wall Street. Then there's the oxymoron thing of saying it's Sexist to blame her husband for husband's policies" yet, GET CREDIT AS FIRST LADY. Hillary HERSELF sys TODAY "Welfare reform worked out pretty well". She says TODAY only that there were "unexpected consequences to" 1994 crime bill that SHE took a BIG role in pushing for:that JAILED TWICE as many people for NON_violent drug crimes as REAGAN did! She PUSHED "3 Strikes & YOu're OUT" LIFE sentences--2/3 being served by NON-VIOLENT drug offenders. The crime bill ADDED 48 MORE crimes eligible for DEATH PENALTY----& HIllary STILL SUPPORTS executions---even with over 200 INNOCENT people EXONERATED in recent years. She STILL SUPPORTS DE-Regulation of banks/Wall St. & has REFUSED TO RESTORE Glass Stegall (which was repealed in 1999) & PAVED WAY for 2007-8 economic meltdown. In fact, Hilary BLAMES HOMEOWNERS for the 2007-8 crash & for their own loss of homes even though it was SUB-PRIME MORTGAGE SCAMS that did it. Looking at HIllary's POSITIONS ON ISSUES--which have NOT CHANGED SINCE THE 1990S is NOT "smear".
Then we have Hillary fired for lies, Unethical behavior from a Congressional job, former boss said. Hillary wiped her server clean against federal law, and she admitted to it, and their were 1,000 classified documents among those emails she deleted, another federal crime. She publicly blamed Benghazi on a video while telling her closest friends and confidants that it was terrorist. Hillary Clinton laughs about the Supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and Libya. Clinton instructed US diplomats to gather biometric data, such as fingerprints, facial images, DNA, and iris scans of African officials. "Other cables targeted the most personal information, including credit card numbers, of United Nations diplomats. Top UN officials -- including Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and security-council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK -- were also targeted. The leaked cables include myriad other revelations about American diplomatic maneuvers."
Last month, it was reported by the Wall Street Journal that the Clinton Foundation, a charitable organization run by the Clinton family, had accepted as much as $68 million from elite donors with close ties to foreign governments and state-run companies while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. The conflict-of-interest allegations were denied by the Clintons, who said the donations were part and parcel of building coalitions to tackle the world's most pressing issues.
“We do get money from other countries, and some of them are in the Middle East,” former President Bill Clinton said last month. “The United Arab Emirates gave us money, do we agree with everything they do? No, but they’re helping us fight ISIS and they helped build a university with NYU. . . . My theory about all this is, disclose everything, and let people make their judgments.” Some claim it was a money for Arms deal, as many of these foreign powers later received lucrative Arms deals. The Clinton Foundation accepted million of dollars from a Colombian oil company before then-Secretary of State Clinton changed her previous position and supported a US-Colombia trade deal, controversial for its links to human rights violations. In addition, after the deal was finalized, Clinton's State Department "never criticized or took action against the Colombian government for alleged violations of labor rights at Pacific Rubiales," the oil company "at the center of Colombia’s labor strife," IBT reported.
Support for Iraq War, Support for the Patriot Act, Support for the Bank Bailouts. Clinton's vote on Iraq should disqualify her from receiving the Democratic nomination in 2016, but it didn't. Back to Trade, http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/15/p...linton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/
Same as the GOP,
Not only is Clinton not the progressive she claims to be, she has consistently supported the agenda of corporations wishing to overrule government decisions (witness her strong previous support of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which gives corporations exactly that power).
Her foreign policy, endorsed not just by Henry Kissinger and neoconservative Robert Kagan, is lauded by Dick Cheney. Remember him? The Dr. Strangelove of the Bush administration?
People really need to do a little research, this barely covers the surface of all Hillary's doings Yup, Trumps bad, but Hillary is confirmed Bad by her own doings, this is no recommendation for both of them.
I'd have been a lot happier if he had supported Bernie Sanders. HRC as right wing as any Republican, an absolute hawk and demonstrably dishonest. Unfortunately the US electoral system is so dependent on money that it really cannot be called a democracy. Unfortunately it is not just the US that suffers as a consequence. Libya, Ukraine, Iraq, 'Palestine', Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, half of central and south America, the list goes on.
Sander shouted out loud that we are a super rich nation and that we should give out free school and free healthcare and raising minimum wage. and that a tiny nation like Switzerland can do this why can't we....
Yes, we are rich nation. and yes Switzerland can give out free this and that BUT we are in 20 trillion debt hole, and we are digging deeper. Congress has to vote to raise national debt limit over and over (like credit card limit).
like you scan and max out all your credit cards to buy house, boat, bodyguard, etc and call yourself rich and powerful. and Switzerland does not have an army that cost $500 billion dollars to run. This army subsidizes security cost in EU and all over the globe.
Socialist/democrats only tell you half of the story.
Yes, we are rich nation. and yes Switzerland can give out free this and that BUT we are in 20 trillion debt hole, and we are digging deeper. Congress has to vote to raise national debt limit over and over (like credit card limit).
like you scan and max out all your credit cards to buy house, boat, bodyguard, etc and call yourself rich and powerful. and Switzerland does not have an army that cost $500 billion dollars to run. This army subsidizes security cost in EU and all over the globe.
Socialist/democrats only tell you half of the story.
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I think you underestimate Tim is is a political animal, esp. compared to Jobs who typically did not wear his politics on his shirtsleeve, certainly didn't donate. Plenty of evidence there based on TC's actions.
I find it quite sad that you can't recognize or admit many of the things he stands for as a value that many people in the country agree with. No political party gets everything right, and when someone says that a particular politician has no values, i tend to immediately recognize they have no capability of worthwhile debate.
Second, never a good idea to start saying things like "as do most economists." You can't back that statement up, as one can find economists and businessmen that readily side with either side. And as i said before, most of the people i've observed freaking out are leaders from OTHER countries. The US has become a laughing stock. I have traveled quite extensively, and my wife is not from the US. The US is a pushover right now. Countries recognized that the US does not respond to anything, which is why so many countries are doing things that slap us in the face. There is nothing wrong with wanting a leader that wants to make it clear that he governs the US, not other countries. That he wants to do what's best for the US, not other countries. You can disagree with the best way to do that, but to just blanked say someone will "ruin the economy" by representing the US with more backbone is absurd. And having diplomatic and governing experience? Hillary was a disaster at the State Department. How is bad experience a good thing? What this country needs is an actual leader. To suggest that only a career politician can be a good leader is crazy.
And lastly, where do you get off saying she only had "3 emails" that were "mismarked." The State Department itself has already admitted that there were many hundreds that were classified. They have already admitted that there were Top Secret emails. They have already admitted that there were some classified above Top Secret. The Senate Intelligence Committee has even said already that they themselves were not allowed to see some of the emails, because they themselves didn't have security clearance to see them. Jesus, so many Democrats have there head so far up their rears they can't admit any wrongdoing.
Here's just one article. I'm not going to waste time linking you to more, because from the way you have talked thus far, it would do no good anyway. But hopefully other readers care to educate themselves more thoroughly.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ls-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886
Its a simple fact that in the last five years other prominent people have been convicted of criminal offenses for doing far less damage with classified information than she did. I find it shocking that you describe someone who sets up a private server to handle ALL State Department emails, knowing this was in full violation of rules she signed a document acknowledging, and knowing this was against the law, as a "clerical error." You did see how the person who set that up for her had to plead the 5th amendment right to not incriminate himself? (as did so many others in this administration). Got to be one of the most ridiculous, partisan, unwilling to accept truth statements i've ever heard.
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You and I.... we are just wasting our time responding to that guy. As soon as you see him say something like "only 3 emails," and it was a "clerical error".... its pretty much obvious that this is someone that is loyal to the bone is completely incapable of objective insight or thinking into the issue. It really is sad that people are so uninformed politically.
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Agreed. I didn't even know Jobs was a democrat until i was reading one of the books about him after he had passed.. and it talked about some of the things he did. Seems he didn't want to mix it with Apple. Something TC doesn't mind doing (ascribing his political beliefs to those of Apple's).
"I live in Europe and don't take US politics seriously, but here's a serious opinion on the state of US politics, voter habits, the Republican party, it's candidate, and the outcome of electing him"