Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter

[glindon]

next on the chopping block: citizenship by birth, I am shocked it hasnt even been brought up yet or is this one of those things protected by the holy and untouchable constitution?

If I recall correctly that clause was added at a later date but also at a time when people didn’t come across the border specifically to have a child that would then be automatically a citizen.
I do believe the law should be rewritten to say that one parent must be a citizen at the time of the child’s birth for it to also become a citizen. This would effectively close the “anchor baby” problem.

 

[PBRsg]

Americans clearly wanted this seeing how they VOTED for Trump.

Yes they did, and they wanted it done earlier in the year.

 

[lostngone]

It is not possible to become a US citizen in that time frame. You first have to obtain permanent residency ("green card"), and then live in the US under that status for at least 3 or 5 years depending on the category. Only then can you apply for naturalization. Obtaining a green card can itself take years, and may not be possible at all if you don't have family ties and/or a certain level of formal education.
DACA beneficiaries already receive a work permit ("employment authorization document") once approved. As of today they have no path to permanent residency or citizenship, since their lawful status automatically disqualifies them.

Well I stand corrected, thank you for that information.

 

[e-coli]

Yes they did, and they wanted it done earlier in the year.

The popular vote certainly did not want this. And DACA is supported by over 80% of registered voters.

 

[tridley68]

Timmy stick to things you are good at like making I Phones and Computers if you want to dictate what others should do then step down from Apple and run for an elected office position.

 

[BurgDog]

Apple should assist the employees being impacted by helping them move to their country of citizenship and giving them equivalent jobs there. Unlikely they don't know the language they learned from their parents but Apple can assist there too if language skills are a problem. They look to be valuable people to their native country with a good US provided education and Apple training and will be welcomed back.

 

[PBRsg]

That is how it is over here and i think if the parents only gained our citizenship (e. g. having lived and worked here for more than 8 years) and still have their „old“ citizenship, the child will have to choose which one to keep when they turn 18

Or send them to Europe - they seem to accept anyone over there these days...

 

[fmalloy]

Which is a form of immigration technically still.

But of course it's better to give them an as remote sounding term as possible, makes one feel a little better about one's dismissal I think.

And illegal acquisition of a Mercedes (instead of that terrible word - stealing) is a form of acquiring an automobile.

Liberals love euphemisms and plays-on-words to soften their narrative - Sanctuary...Dreamer...

Sorry, but I can take almost any person who breaks the law and give them a "nice sounding term". The result is still the same.

 

[AustinIllini]

Yes they did, and they wanted it done earlier in the year.

A majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. So no, by and large we did not want this.

 

[PBRsg]

The popular vote certainly did not want this. And DACA is supported by over 80% of registered voters.

The popular vote does not elect presidents. Also, you may want to have a look at the statistics on illegal immigration in general. Hint: people are sick and tired of it and have been for years.

 

[AustinIllini]

Timmy stick to things you are good at like making I Phones and Computers if you want to dictate what others should do then step down from Apple and run for an elected office position.

Having your employees deported is bad for your business. Sorry, but this directly affects Apple and Tim Cook is obligated to do his job whether or not his beliefs hurt your feelings.
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The popular vote does not elect presidents. Also, you may want to have a look at the statistics on illegal immigration in general. Hint: people are sick and tired of it and have been for years.

Sources needed. on all of this crap. DACA is very popular

 

[e-coli]

The popular vote does not elect presidents. Also, you may want to have a look at the statistics on illegal immigration in general. Hint: people are sick and tired of it and have been for years.

Unfortunately the system designed to protect the interests of white agrarian slave owners still dictates who becomes president, yes. And we're talking about DACA, not illegal immigration in general.

 

[PBRsg]

That has been my question. Are the 250 Apple Employee "Dreamers" that Tim is talking about all have work permits? If so, for how long? Do they have valid SSN's? Really just curious. My personal stance is I think we need immigration reform but I think it must include border security as a prerequisite. We already did this with President Reagan in 1983 but we never did border security and look where we are now. We really need to push back on the Open Border Crowd.

Kevin de Leon, a California senator, said publicly that half his family is in the country illegally using false documents. What a great state of things!

 

[AustinIllini]

Unfortunately the system designed to protect the interests of white agrarian slave owners still dictates who becomes president, yes. And we're talking about DACA, not illegal immigration in general.

Right. Regardless of how you feel about illegal immigration, these "Dreamers" have done nothing wrong.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Right. Regardless of how you feel about illegal immigration, these "Dreamers" have done nothing wrong.

That's why their situation should not be extended ad perpetuum. Time to fix it once and for all.

 

[AustinIllini]

That's why their situation should not be extended ad perpetuum. Time to fix it once and for all.

Good luck with that. Deporting people who have spent their whole lives (through no fault of their own) as Americans, legal or otherwise, have committed no crime is abhorrent.

 

[PBRsg]

Trump is appeasing his "base" and also as you said using the DREAMERS act as a negotiation tool to get more money for his stupid wall in the upcoming immigration bill.

He may also be setting up the establishment GOP types to support this and get wiped out in the mid-terms. Those are the people who have been obstructing him, so he pretty much wants them gone. Fun times.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Good luck with that. Deporting people who have spent their whole lives (through no fault of their own) as Americans, legal or otherwise, have committed no crime is abhorrent.

I am talking about the opposite of deporting.

 

[amegicfox]

According to the MSM the United States of America is an absolute CESSPOOL of racism, white privilege, patriarchy, misogyny, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, phobia, evil white men, drunken whore white women ... the list goes on ... so WHY oh WHY would ANY immigrant even want to come here?

Should also mention DACA is a YUUGE affirmative action program. Lower test scores for college admission, special tutoring, stipends for "trips back home", the well-paid "advocates", the complete free ride through school. I've even seen extended families flown in and put up in hotels for graduations. These same private colleges expect American citizens to shell out $60k/year, and continue to hound alumni for donations so "we can continue to serve our students". Well, the illegal ones, anyway.

Behind every DACA proponent, there is a hidden agenda. And always, it involves taking some more of OUR money, and OUR jobs, and OUR culture, and OUR freedoms.

The term "Dreamers" is another propagandistic term employed to avoid the term "Illegals". Stop using it. They can "Dream" all they want while applying for citizenship from their homeland.

BTW, Mexico and other countries should be ecstatically happy to get these model, overachieving credits-to- their- race back to solve their country's problems.

 

[Zachari]

That's much better, except I didn't call anyone in here a racist, sexist, etc, so I'm not sure why you've painted me with that particular brush. I'm willing to discuss issues, but I'm not willing to tolerate intolerance and I don't take kindly to people who ask me to do so just because it's their 'opinion'.

I've tried debating actually (with people in real life), but I find a lot of people don't argue in good faith so it often doesn't lead anywhere productive. The political divide in the country is clearly a problem at the moment so I understand where you're coming from and do agree we need more honest debate in this country, but to say I'm the reason Trump won is ludicrous.

"Sorry, but not all "views" should be treated with equal respect." <-- who are you to decide what views are worthy of respect or not. This is what I was referring to.

 

[AustinIllini]

According to the MSM the United States of America is an absolute CESSPOOL of racism, white privilege, patriarchy, misogyny, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, phobia, evil white men, drunken whore white women ... the list goes on ... so WHY oh WHY would ANY immigrant even want to come here?

Should also mention DACA is a YUUGE affirmative action program. Lower test scores for college admission, special tutoring, stipends for "trips back home", the well-paid "advocates", the complete free ride through school. I've even seen extended families flown in and put up in hotels for graduations. These same private colleges expect American citizens to shell out $60k/year, and continue to hound alumni for donations so "we can continue to serve our students". Well, the illegal ones, anyway.

Behind every DACA proponent, there is a hidden agenda. And always, it involves taking some more of OUR money, and OUR jobs, and OUR culture, and OUR freedoms.

The term "Dreamers" is another propagandistic term employed to avoid the term "Illegals". Stop using it. They can "Dream" all they want while applying for citizenship from their homeland, Mexico.

BTW, Mexico should be ecstatically happy to get these model, overachieving credits-to- their- race back to solve Mexico's problems.

Glad you have a signature that basically says "I have no idea what I'm talking about"

 

[PBRsg]

I remember when MacRumors was mostly academics, students and people in the creative industry. Conversation on these boards was so much more civilized. Now that Apple has become a mass market brand, the floodgates have opened. Presently the lack of class and basic human decency here is disheartening.

I remember when Steve Jobs was CEO and we did not hear any social justice garbage from him.

 

[AustinIllini]

I remember when Steve Jobs was CEO and we did not hear any social justice garbage from him.

Steve Jobs was CEO during a less combative time.

Also, Steve Jobs is dead.

 

[morcutt11]

If I recall correctly that clause was added at a later date but also at a time when people didn’t come across the border specifically to have a child that would then be automatically a citizen.
I do believe the law should be rewritten to say that one parent must be a citizen at the time of the child’s birth for it to also become a citizen. This would effectively close the “anchor baby” problem.

Agreed, but in the current political climate, that would be political suicide.

 

[jlseattle]

A majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. So no, by and large we did not want this.

I agree. We didn't want this. We don't want this mess of a president. This president that is dividing the nation. This president that engenders hate and fear.

There is a huge divide between liberals and conservatives. One will win, the other will die out in time (as the old people and their values die out). I think we're seeing the dying breath of the conservative party. We'll see a moderate party rise out of it. There will probably be a backlash to Trump during next election as moderates and liberals wake up from their slumber.