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By and large the bold is largely false. While only half or illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes, they all pay sales tax and property tax like any other American.

Trump doesn't pay taxes. Maybe we should deport him?
Since I work in the world of cash payment processing and know the customer base well, I can assure you that's not the case.
 
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Even better, the establishment Republicans that support a DACA legislation get wiped out in the 2018 primaries. Fun times.

Don't kid yourself. The moderate Republicans are being primaried from their left for 2018. By rafts of Democrats. Either way it looks good for moderates.
 
That has been my question. Are the 250 Apple Employee "Dreamers" that Tim is talking about all have work permits? If so, for how long? Do they have valid SSN's? Really just curious.
They receive a work permit after being approved for DACA. This also allows them to obtain an SSN, which is also their tax identification number.
My personal stance is I think we need immigration reform but I think it must include border security as a prerequisite. We already did this with President Reagan in 1983 but we never did border security and look where we are now.
I have no idea what makes you think that. In reality, the budgets for border security have risen dramatically over the last few decades. E.g., the US border partrol budget has increased tenfold since 1990. See e.g. here:

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...f-immigration-enforcement-and-border-security

Besides, these days there are more visa overstays than "fence jumpers", so even perfect border security would not solve the issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...der-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216
We really need to push back on the Open Border Crowd.
Who? I have never heard anyone advocate weaker border security. Usually when someone talks about "open borders" they are talking about trade policies and similar things, not border security.
 
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"has zero to do with" ... o_O

I'm trying to figure out how you could think that. Damn we need to teach better history in our schools.
That's ok - I'm trying to figure out how you could think that the conquering of Native American tribes and purchase of land in the US from other countries that laid previous claim to it has a whole lot to do with present US citizenship. Lands all over the world are occupied by those that took the land, in one form or another, from someone else. They, just like the US, can still have "citizenship".
 
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Don't kid yourself. The moderate Republicans are being primaried from their left for 2018. By rafts of Democrats. Either way it looks good for moderates.

It will be the opposite - the obstructionists will be pushed out. 2018-2020 onwards will be even more Trumpist than now. And let's now talk about the Democratic bloodbath in the Senate...
 
Because of the nature of how these children were brought here when they were young (illegally, not through an official port of entry), there isn't really a clear path to citizenship available for them. Their parents are not typically here legally, either, so they can't exactly follow the steps in the current system (any many of them have likely faced deportation while their children remained). Your own personal situation isn't really analogous to this group of people as you were already a legal citizen when you started the adoption process (good on you for doing so).

The DREAM Act was introduced in 2001 to present a solution to this growing problem and build a pathway to citizenship for these kids, but it has consistently failed to pass in Congress despite being introduced multiple times. The requirements to qualify for protection under DACA are fairly narrow and the way it was implemented by executive order is absolutely not a good solution at all, but Congress has repeatedly failed to find a lawful solution (despite support on both sides of the aisle) so here we are.

I don't disagree with Trump's assessment that the solution needs to come from Congress, and Obama urged the same thing, but holding hostage this specific group of ~800,000 people who are making good contributions to a country that for a lot of them is the only one they've ever known is not an acceptable strategy to get Congress to act, imo.


Correct, I maintain that certain views/ideologies/opinions should not be given equal respect. Who am I? Just a person living in the United States. Myself not willing to give equal respect to people who want to ban/deport all immigrants or illegal aliens regardless of circumstance is certainly not the reason Trump won. How you made the leap from my statement to "you're the reason Trump won" is ridiculous.

There is a difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. You best learn it.
 
There is a difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. You best learn it.
The children of illegal immigrants are the key to our discussion. Technically, they are here as a result of an illegal action, but they have committed no crimes.
 
"has zero to do with" ... o_O

I'm trying to figure out how you could think that. Damn we need to teach better history in our schools.
You're welcome to explain to me the link between some of the Indian wars of the 1800's and President Obama's decision to limit prosecutorial discretion to allow so "Dreamers" in this country even though they aren't citizens.

If you're saying "but but but....white Europeans displaced indigenous peoples" and that makes 200 years ago relevant to this DACA discussion, perhaps your education was deficient.
 
There is a difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. You best learn it.
I do, but ok? Seems to me you're now way off the original topic we were discussing so I think it's best we leave it here.
 
Even for a right wing person, your response to the current predicament is deplorable and not characteristic of American values.

Dreamers aren't like you. They have lived here their whole lives.

Right wing lol - indentity politics again. This ain't a right or left issue.
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Last time I checked, the white hood crowd were Democrats.
Funny how democrats ignore their history.
 
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Just my 2 cents:

First of all for those that keep up with the argument, the country voted Trump as our president....yes OUR president. I didn't vote for Obama, but he was still my president whether I liked it or not, and as I and others like me did for 8 years....deal with it. You will find wrong with whatever he does....but somehow he continually comes out on top so far. Anybody notice there isn't much talk of Russia these days? The people that voted for him are those hard working blue collar workers with kids, mortgages and car payments who got a little sick of our jobs and economy being shipped overseas. They don't really care all that much about the Paris Accord (Shoved down our throats) or Russia, or the illegal immigrants now with sugarcoated names like "Dreamers". We just want our country back a stable job, a little interest on our savings, and a little more of our hard earned cash back in our pockets after Obama lifted the Tax cuts that we the middle class kind of counted on after our health insurance went from the cost of a car payment to the cost of a mortgage.

DACA was just another part of the previous administrations agenda shoved down our throat. It was not legislation, it was kicking yet another can down the road with an issue that would have to be dealt with one way or another. This is the problem with a president that decides to handle his entire agenda through Executive order rather than through the system in place....the next administration can undo it all, Obama is 100% to blame for the way he pushed through and ignored the constitution. Trump could had shut it down immediately, he didn't. He gave it to Congress, just as he gave them the broken Obamacare, and Tax reform. Unfortunately our House is thoroughly confused at this prospect and idea that they have to work. They are utterly befuddled by the fact that it is so transparent now how inept they are. We should all thank Trump for exposing them for what they are and the complete and total lack of any ability to get things done.

As far as the Dreamers? The average age they say of Dreamers is 25. Is there any particular reason why they could not had put in the paperwork for the correct path to citizenship? They obviously know their being here is illegal, or they wouldn't be so nervous right now. Do they also not realize there is paperwork they can fill out now to get legal Visa's and Green Cards so they could get in the system and do things the right way? Or do we just need to listen to the media and cry for them rather than hold anybody accountable for their inactions? There is a whole slew of people that did get in through the legal system the legal way that agrees with me here.
 
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Last time I checked, the white hood crowd were Democrats.
Have you read any historical text ever?
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Right wing lol - indentity politics again. This ain't a right or left issue.
Good point. Punishing people for crimes they didn't commit is not partisan, and yet you have so much trouble understanding the problem with exporting people who have committed no crime.
 
are you surprised Tim is pushing for Illegal Immigration that will destroy America ?

Destroy? LOL, so hyperbolic. They are already here and have been.

We must be a weak system if letting 800k people get a pathway to citizenship would destroy the entire country.

What people that say that really mean, is that they might become democrat voters and destroy the chances of right wing policies being enacted. Although, at the rate that Trump and the GOP is going, that's going to happen anyway.

We have a pathway to citizenship - an immigration process for being in this country legally. My ancestors followed it, I followed it when I adopted a child from another country.

Why people choose to blatantly break the law and why Liberal Democrats are fighting for them I don't know.

We are NOT closing the borders. We HAVE a process. Why don't Democrats understand this?

It's an arbitrary process though. Its not like the first European settlers of what would later become the United States had to go through Native American immigration procedures. No. Instead they just slaughtered the indigenous people and stole their land. Then fought a few other countries for the land, then broke away from England to form their own country and set up arbitrary immigration policies for what had really been other people's land.
 
Have you read any historical text ever?
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Good point. Punishing people for crimes they didn't commit is not partisan, and yet you have so much trouble understanding the problem with exporting people who have committed no crime.

If you look up the history of why the Ku Klux Klan even existed was very political democrats trying to shut down republicans that wanted to abolish slavery. Absolute fact.

And as far as punishing people for crimes they didn't commit? Just being here is their crime.....again I ask, why haven't they done the paperwork?
 
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I am sorry your job was taken by an illegal alien that has no education and can't speak english. But the good thing is now you have time to make thousands of comments on Macrumors! I see many people convinced of your arguments, and now dismissing the comments of one of the most successful men in the US.

Tim Cook is so naive. I mean, what can a self made billionaire with thousands of employees and a mastery of world economics know about this. We need to defer to the common man like you, who 'just knows' what is best. Thank you for sharing your gift with us.

Completely unrelated to anything I said, but hey, you're the self proclaimed "christ" lol, I'd expect nothing less than a long story about nothingness in order for him and his followers to feel better about themselves.
 
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If you look up the history of why the Ku Klux Klan even existed was very political democrats trying to shut down republicans that wanted to abolish slavery. Absolute fact.
Democrats and Republicans swapped political standing (at the latest) during the Roosevelt administration. I, as a progressive, align more closely to Lincoln-era republicans.

And as far as punishing people for crimes they didn't commit? Just being here is their crime.....again I ask, why haven't they done the paperwork?
I'm not sure why this is so hard for you. Beneficiaries of DACA were children when they came here. They had no other choice and were taken here against their own will. They have committed no crime.
 
Completely unrelated to anything I said, but hey, you're the self proclaimed "christ" lol, I'd expect nothing less than a long story about nothingness in order for him and his followers to feel better about themselves.
Meh. You clearly weren't all that good at your job, anyway.
 
So why is Apple hiring illegal aliens in the first place. Cook just admitted that they have at least 250 illegal aliens on their payroll.
 
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Meh. You clearly weren't all that good at your job, anyway.

Nope, I probably wasn't that good at my job, but I retired at age 30, so I'd say who cares if I was good at my job? Trump wasn't very good at most of his jobs, and he didn't turn out so bad, worth billions and the President of the United States. So hey, you stick to doing good at your $40k a year job, maybe some day you can retire.
 
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