Liberals will slowly win, but it will take decades. Younger people are more progressive and tend to move center-right as they age, but generally there are a number of values young people never lose.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Pledges Support to Employees Affected by DACA in New Letter
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I am not familiar with DACA rules. Citizenship is a completely different animal. Waiting time differs wildly depending on nationality of the applicant.
This immigration debate has gone on for decades. Steve Jobs simply did not care about this stuff or he did not care about involving himself in this stuff, which I consider a very good decision.
I’m sure that will be denied. Trump is doing everything in his power to get rid of immigrants. Next step is to revoke green cards and citizenship status lol
I'm not fan of Trump but if you are illegal you are illegal. You have to apply for US citizenship or go to your home country. Its that simple. Its beyond my understanding how someone can still qualify as illegal immigrant after spending almost its entire life living in the US. There should be no people with illegal status walking on the streets. All people crossing the borders should be legally in the US as citizens, tourist, workers, students or whatever status or visa they may have.
I don't believe Steve ever faced the possibility of a large number of his employees being deported.
You lost the argument when you brought in Steve Jobs. To your credit, you were always fighting a losing battle.
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People aren't illegal. The crime of crossing into the country without a visa is, in and of itself, illegal, but those who benefit from DACA are NOT people who committed said crime. They had no choice. They are not criminals.
Why, because you say so? What a brilliant debater! DACA is defunct, which means that I win the battle.
Still waiting on you to say anything appropriate. So far it's just a lot of name calling. Happens when you're on the wrong side of history.
That is the argument of the extremist - both left and right of the political middle. Their positions are indefensible, so it is easier to simply dismiss opposing views as irrelevant.
Remember, it's only sexist/racist when the right does it.
Why should it be a firestorm? How much say over your life did you have when you were two years old? The only right and moral thing to do is find the Dreamers a path to permanent legal status. The Dreamers are already the cream of undocumented workers by virtue of their having come out of the shadows, registered in DACA, completing their education and embarking on careers, already contributing skills and tax revenues.
Of all the damn people to decide to toss out of the USA, those are not whom I'd pick. But then I'm not the President of the 30%.
Yet Trump is willing to throw these young lives on the altar of "I have kept a campaign promise to white nationalists" and to toss the ball of their fate to a Republican-controlled congress that already does not thank him: his move today is even now making their intraparty divisions harder to overcome.
Trump has positioned himself as win-win here: if the Congress cannot legislate a fair path for Dreamers, that's fine with him, he looks good with his supporters who will cheer on October 5th when no more renewals will be processed. If the Congress can manage to find enough moderate Republicans and Democrats to pass a bill (and if the House Freedom Caucus refrains from hanging poison pill amendments on it and does not try to attach it to a bill funding The Wall), then Trump will throw his own supporters under the bus --why not, he does it on a regular basis while signing at least half of the EOs he disrespects Obama for having used-- and proclaim that by his own hand he forced Congress finally to do the right thing for the Dreamers.
Mind you either way this goes with the fate of the Dreamers is fine with him. He cares only for himself and whether he looks good coming away from the photo op of the day and hang the long term effects -- long term being anything past 10pm on the average weeknight.
If in fact Trump gave a damn for the Dreamers then he would merely have extended DACA while encouraging Congress to "reform immigration" and take the Dreamers into account in that process. That would have sounded pretty Presidential. But no, he'd rather pander to his base and get extra credit right here, right now for doing it. So that's what he did. The speech from AG Sessions sounded like prime Stephen Miller boilerplate, complete with all the coded words that whistle to white nationalism. Jesus Christ. Keeping America safe from law abiding Dreamers that any American parent would be proud to have raised. We live in upside down times, that's for sure. How about keeping America safe from self-serving pandering politicians?
Sad day for the Statue of Liberty and American ideals. Good day for Tim Cook, Apple and other business leaders who mean to roll up sleeves and press Congress to do the right thing here. Terrible day for the Republican Party. If these guys can't reach deep and find some moral backbone again, that party will end up walking in the desert for forty years by time Donald Trump gets done showing the world how craven they are capable of being. They deserve each other. The country still deserves better. We have to vote for it next time instead of voting to disestablish the government. Hint: there is always an establishment. Sometimes the new one is worse than the previous one. This is one of those times. Here's hoping we survive it.
Because of the nature of how these children were brought here when they were young (illegally, not through an official port of entry), there isn't really a clear path to citizenship available for them. Their parents are not typically here legally, either, so they can't exactly follow the steps in the current system (any many of them have likely faced deportation while their children remained). Your own personal situation isn't really analogous to this group of people as you were already a legal citizen when you started the adoption process (good on you for doing so).
The DREAM Act was introduced in 2001 to present a solution to this growing problem and build a pathway to citizenship for these kids, but it has consistently failed to pass in Congress despite being introduced multiple times. The requirements to qualify for protection under DACA are fairly narrow and the way it was implemented by executive order is absolutely not a good solution at all, but Congress has repeatedly failed to find a lawful solution (despite support on both sides of the aisle) so here we are.
I don't disagree with Trump's assessment that the solution needs to come from Congress, and Obama urged the same thing, but holding hostage this specific group of ~800,000 people who are making good contributions to a country that for a lot of them is the only one they've ever known is not an acceptable strategy to get Congress to act, imo.
Correct, I maintain that certain views/ideologies/opinions should not be given equal respect. Who am I? Just a person living in the United States. Myself not willing to give equal respect to people who want to ban/deport all immigrants or illegal aliens regardless of circumstance is certainly not the reason Trump won. How you made the leap from my statement to "you're the reason Trump won" is ridiculous.
The politicians of the left will totally create and exploit race tensions and it will make today's discord look like a picnic. Having said that, you can't make out of touch with reality leftists understand this.
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Even better, the establishment Republicans that support a DACA legislation get wiped out in the 2018 primaries. Fun times.
That would be horrible news for the GOP, as that likely improves Dems chances of taking their seats in Congress because DACA is popular.
Your way of thinking is dying by the day.
Are you presuming that all white people are white supremacist as well? Illegal immigration is an issue that concerns (or at least should) all citizens. Citizens pay taxes for public services, social programs, education and other infrastructure, etc. Illegal immigrants can burden those system without providing adequate financial compensation in the form of taxation. Even legal immigrants are concerned about illegal immigrants. I know two people that became US citizens (both from Costa Rico and both strong Democrats) and they were both upset will illegal immigration. They questioned why they spent so much money and went through all of the effort to become legal citizens when others could just walk across the border.
The bottom line is that the US, just like every other country, can't afford open borders. It never could. There has always been immigration policy and immigration enforcement.
Hey where illegal aliens UP until USA allowed them Visas, ability to be taxed and to live here as citizens.
Curious if they've been sworn in as citizens - if there is such a thing?
By and large the bold is largely false. While only half or illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes, they all pay sales tax and property tax like any other American.
Trump doesn't pay taxes. Maybe we should deport him?
"has zero to do with" ...
I'm trying to figure out how you could think that. Damn we need to teach better history in our schools.
Republicans will be stuck at this point. Democrats have created a political environment where any type of cracked down on immigration (including enforcing long-standing immigration laws) are met with swift condemnation of "Republican Hatred". Although Trump bashed DACA as part of his populist rhetoric, the Republican base is far more concerned with the porous border and lack of immigration law enforcement than they are with DACA members. The sticking point will be where the Republicans want to tie continuation of the DACA programs for existing enrollees to border security (e.g. 'the wall') and immigration enforcement, which will be strongly opposed by the Democrats with their current 'open borders' philosophy from the progressive left. That likely will deadlock Congress yet again.