Wrong. Children brought to this country under the age of 16...illegally I might add.
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Austin is completely ignorant of the Democrat party's almost sole ownership of the bigoted/KKK affiliated side in the 1960's Civil Rights Movement, which is of course well past Roosevelt. LBJ was a hardcore racist, and a very known prominent member of that whole disgrace.
Once LBJ was in office, he enacted a bunch of terrible welfare programs that have effectively kept minorities relegated to inner-city 'reservations' in heavy Democrat urban areas. This continued with Carter, and Democrat politicians since. It's shameful that they call this 'progress'.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was educated by CNN. They're a factory of truth and accuracy. Assuming Don Lemon isn't drunk or high when he's on air reporting (50\50).
I think everyone is aware that southern Democrats used to be the party of the KKK. But parties are irrelevant, it's only their ideas and policies that matter. The Republicans of today are nothing like the Republicans of that time, and the same is true of the Democrats. We are talking about what they stand for now.
Fake news, lies, nonsense..whatever you want to call it you are just wrong as wrong can be. It doesn't even logically make sense as polling places are monitored by both democrats AND republicans, so how would massive illegal voting even take place under those circumstances? Answer is that it wouldn't and it can't. When people start talking up conspiracy theories like this they really lose all credibility.
"Almost its entire life"? Really? So you don't even consider dreamers people? They are "its"?
And they are in their home country. If you were brought here as a baby, only knew the U.S. and didn't know anyone in the country you were brought from, would you really consider someplace you had never lived as a self-aware human being "home"? I don't think so. Dream big! But don't be surprised when you are bittlerly disappointed and have a very rude awakening.
Funny how republicans ignore their present. Too bad they just can't be honest that racists walk among them and that some of their policies are rooted in racism but masked as something else instead. Lots of denial and pretending in the GOP.
I don't know what other issues you are refering to as I am only aware of this one issue that caused many dems to flip parties. You are the one denying reality if you think that wasn't how things went down, because it is precisely how things happened. Democrats would lose votes for decades to come in the south because of the 1964 civil rights act. Racist Democrats fled to the Republican party and became racist Republicans.
BTW, for those cheering Trump making this decision (and thinking dreamers are being deported); well they aren't going to be deported. Trump isn't enforcing deportation and companies are standing with Apple to push the legislation through. I'm VERY happy that we are going to keep the dreamers and have a better immigration plan. It wasn't till I listened to the news and pundits I really realized Trump just set to the legalization of the dreamers through congress. YAY! I'm glad republicans can't keep themselves together enough to do anything but get the liberal agenda pushed even further forward. I'm actually glad in this case Trump made this decision after learning the facts.
The fact that democrats actually train kids to act like this is sad.
What changed in the Democrat party? Which period was the reform era for Democrats? Which exact reforms did the Democrat party enact internally?
One minute LBJ is a racist, next minute his reform policies are 'equal rights' gospel? And the other side that disagreed with this guy when it mattered over civil rights, are suddenly racists? Because they disagree with the specific reform policies of former racists? That's crazy thin ice.
BTW, for those cheering Trump making this decision (and thinking dreamers are being deported); well they aren't going to be deported. Trump isn't enforcing deportation and companies are standing with Apple to push the legislation through. I'm VERY happy that we are going to keep the dreamers and have a better immigration plan. It wasn't till I listened to the news and pundits I really realized Trump just set to the legalization of the dreamers through congress. YAY! I'm glad republicans can't keep themselves together enough to do anything but get the liberal agenda pushed even further forward. I'm actually glad in this case Trump made this decision after learning the facts.
Not entirely.
I made these analogies in another thread here, and it is still relevant.
Would you wait until you had a flat tire before buying a spare tire? No.
Would you wait until your refrigerator, cupboards, and pantries are completely empty before you go out and buy more groceries? No.
Would you wait until your car's transmission fluid is completely empty and your engine is smoking with fumes before you buy more transmission fluid or have it changed? No.
So why would you rescind something without having its alternative or its proper solution in place prior to rescinding it?
This is being done so completely out of order that it is idiotic. He should have:
- Gone to Congress first to get the proper bill(s) drafted,
- passed by Congress, to be
- signed into law by the POTUS, then
- announce the rescinding of DACA.
Idiot move here, and should have been thought about and prepared better. But what do we all truly expect? This is Trump.
BL.
To be fair, I've bashed a fair amount of piñata horses and donkeys as a kid, but never been unkind to animals.
I believe kids completely ignore any symbolism when there's a possibility of candy spraying everywhere.
I've seen how divided the comments in this thread are but I'm going to go on a limb and give my opinion anyway. I'll be very up front, I'm not firmly in either the "send them all home" or "welcome them all with open arms" camps. I'll likely be ripped apart by both sides.
I see these people as having been put in a very difficult position, they were brought into the United States illegally but not of their own accord, someone brought them here as children. In some cases they don't even speak the language of their home country. To make a blanket proclamation that all of these people need to go back where they came from would put them in a terrible situation. From a humanitarian perspective I think DACA did a good thing, deferring deportation for two years (renewable if needed), providing them with a TID number and legal working status (no need for identity theft to earn a living), and providing them time to go through legal channels of becoming a citizen of the United States. I have a problem with some people not having taken advantage of the final step in that process; I've heard the stories of it being (relatively) expensive to do so but I would think if I were just granted a two year reprieve from deportation that would be my absolute number one priority - I would eat beans and rice until I had it underway.
Conversely, I can understand the negative incentive that this program provides though too. I'm sure parents the world over want to do whatever they can to provide the best possible life for their kids. Knowing that US policy provides a mechanism to take a big risk and enter the country illegally with your children but then have the potential that (regardless of what happens to you) they could stay and live the American dream, that's attractive. It's potentially a big reward and thus big incentive to ignore the laws and borders of the Unites States, put yourself and your children in danger, and flaunt a legal process that about a million people utilize every year to properly become a part of our country. None of those are good things and none should be encouraged. Despite all of that though I still have a hard time with some of the highlighted cases where a person came here as a small child (i.e. before developing language skills and knowledge of their home country) being sent to a country that - despite it being their place of birth - they have no real knowledge of. With a strong US education, great English skills, and intimate knowledge of US customs and culture they can probably land on their feet but what a rotten situation to have to deal with.
I don't have the answer. Many people here have strong positions and advocate absolutes on both sides but I see it as more nuanced and complicated than that. Countries can't legislate by exception, laws oftentimes have to be cold and heartless to establish policies that work for the masses. I also think that there have to be paths - with barriers to entry that require some effort and with check points so they aren't abused - to handle the minority exception cases and maintain our humanity. That's a very difficult balance to strike.
I see these people as having been put in a very difficult position, they were brought into the United States illegally but not of their own accord, someone brought them here as children. In some cases they don't even speak the language of their home country. To make a blanket proclamation that all of these people need to go back where they came from would put them in a terrible situation. From a humanitarian perspective I think DACA did a good thing, deferring deportation for two years (renewable if needed), providing them with a TID number and legal working status (no need for identity theft to earn a living), and providing them time to go through legal channels of becoming a citizen of the United States. I have a problem with some people not having taken advantage of the final step in that process; I've heard the stories of it being (relatively) expensive to do so but I would think if I were just granted a two year reprieve from deportation that would be my absolute number one priority - I would eat beans and rice until I had it underway.
Conversely, I can understand the negative incentive that this program provides though too. I'm sure parents the world over want to do whatever they can to provide the best possible life for their kids. Knowing that US policy provides a mechanism to take a big risk and enter the country illegally with your children but then have the potential that (regardless of what happens to you) they could stay and live the American dream, that's attractive. It's potentially a big reward and thus big incentive to ignore the laws and borders of the Unites States, put yourself and your children in danger, and flaunt a legal process that about a million people utilize every year to properly become a part of our country. None of those are good things and none should be encouraged. Despite all of that though I still have a hard time with some of the highlighted cases where a person came here as a small child (i.e. before developing language skills and knowledge of their home country) being sent to a country that - despite it being their place of birth - they have no real knowledge of. With a strong US education, great English skills, and intimate knowledge of US customs and culture they can probably land on their feet but what a rotten situation to have to deal with.
I don't have the answer. Many people here have strong positions and advocate absolutes on both sides but I see it as more nuanced and complicated than that. Countries can't legislate by exception, laws oftentimes have to be cold and heartless to establish policies that work for the masses. I also think that there have to be paths - with barriers to entry that require some effort and with check points so they aren't abused - to handle the minority exception cases and maintain our humanity. That's a very difficult balance to strike.
Somehow I get the feeling you haven't even watched the video. According to that, the kids are actually natural born citizens.
Besides, you apparently aren't aware that nobody is "let into our country" by DACA, since it only affects young people who were already in the country at the time it took effect.
You clearly don't know what your talking about. You can't just waive what you don't want to take on the test.
There are certain requirements you have to meet but you simply can't just walk in and say " I'm not taking/doing that portion of the test
They are not criminals but if you owned a warehouse that was empty and you went over to do some work and saw a family of illegal immargrants living there and they happened to have kids, guess what when the cops show up the kids are leaving too. Sad to say but the parents knew this might happen when the came to this country illegally. Sometimes life suck
And on the topic of Cook backing his workers. Way to flaunt not following the laws of the land as its written TODAY
Sure I'd be nervous. But the parents are to blame knowing the were breaking the law and putting their children in this possible situation. I'm sure the parents were thinking they'd get a free pass.
James
Before DACA most of them wouldn't have been eligible to become lawful permanent residents or citizens, at least among those who entered illegally (even as children).
Even with DACA only some of them are. For the most part, they have to be married to a U.S. citizen. They also have to (with pre-approval) leave the country and risk being denied re-entry (even though they have pre-approval) in order to be eligible.
It's funny because this statement is empirically, categorically false.
The reason you're not hearing much about it is because your state propaganda network is pretending it's not happening while repeating that exact line until people like you believe it and repeat it.
There are huge stories regarding Trump/Russia coming out every week thanks to actual journalists doing actual reporting.
Special counsel Bob Mueller just got the IRS and its criminal investigations unit on board in the last week or two. The President is corrupt as hell and he's going to die in prison.
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Way to show you don't know anything about this issue at all!
There have been court decisions interpreting the relevant provision of the Constitution. That's the case with most constitutional provisions. But it is the provision itself that requires birthright citizenship.
I spent a considerable amount of time looking through, e.g., the debates in the Senate following the proposal of the 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause. I'm convinced the Supreme Court interpreted it correctly in that it was intended to make everyone born in the United States (with certain well understood exceptions which don't apply here) a citizen by birth - regardless of the citizenship status of their parents. Indeed, at the time that constitutional provision was proposed some expressed opposition to it (and similarly to similar legislation which had recently passed) based on that understanding of what its effect would be.
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You don't have to add the "aside from being here" qualification. Unlawful presence is not, in itself, a crime. I realize that many assume that it is or believe that it should be, but our laws do not make it a crime and the Supreme Court has been clear on that point. It makes someone deportable, but it doesn't in itself make them a criminal.
That said, many illegal aliens - but not all, not even the vast majority - committed a crime in coming here. (For many, the statute of limitations for that crime has run out.) It's also the case that for some illegal aliens their unlawful presence is, in itself, a crime. That would be those who were previously removed based on an order of removal - i.e., not those who were voluntarily returned - and then reentered.
But when it comes to DACA-eligible aliens, many of them were brought here as young children and thus the mens rea element of the crime (of illegal entry) was lacking. In other words, they didn't commit a crime in the process of coming here.
This keeps popping up. Do you really think the Dreamers wouldn't have done that if it was possible? It is not a question of money. There simply is no such process. With today's laws, you simply cannot be approved for a visa or green card if you're in the country unlawfully. Any previous violation of immigration law will automatically disqualify the applicant.
That's the heart of the problem. These kids have been left in legal limbo for years. The DREAM act was supposed to resolve this issue, but Congress has been kicking the can down the road for over 15 years now.
And again, that's not how it works. To be eligible for DACA, you had to already be in the country in 2012 when the policy took effect. People arriving afterwards are not eligible, thus there is no incentive.
You're asking for a detailed history of the Democratic party? I guess Wikipedia would be a good place to start. If you're asking about major turning points in the political alignment of the DNC, Roosevelt and the New Deal is a big one, but it's a complex history. As for the present day, there is no question about where the parties now stand in relation to each other on the political spectrum. I'm sure that could be very different 100 years from now though.
Centrist Democrats and centrist Republicans have been pretty indistinguishable since the 90s.
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I'm sure those numbers vary quite a bit depending upon geography but I can tell you from personal experience based upon the people employed by me as housekeepers in CA and NY that your rates are very much on the high end. I've employed a number of individuals, legally entitled to work in the united states, and they've all been between $18 and $22/hour (although one had a daily rate and typically finished a bit early but did a wonderful job). I haven't had a need for a nanny but I do have relatives that do and they have paid between $15 and $20/hour (although in the form of annual salary roughly between $30k to $40k). Assuming you're not just making these numbers up you may want to shop around a bit, there are typically services that will vet and make introductions in exchange for a finders fee.
This was a rescinding of an Obama executive order? Something that Obama enacted without going through Congress to pass as a bill?
So yeah, your whole premise.... *Brrrkkkkrrrrrasssssshhhhhhh!!!*
Obama created this mess by not following the legal steps for enacting legislation. He shouldn't have tried using the executive branch to dictate law over what Congress passes. Obama was a coward, instead of risking any political capital on an actual bill, he skirted the law.
You may have liked the policy, but Trump removing Obama's illegal order was the correct legal thing to do.
Except in your analogy some of those childern have grown up and have childern of their own (U.S. citizens) so the analogy falls apart. Also the U.S. has paid for the dreamer kids education. Stupid to deport them now after we have paid for that.
NPR highlighted a number of personal DACA stories the other day and one of the people (well two, it was a couple) they interviewed was a young couple, both in graduate school, that were covered by DACA but didn't apply for citizenship during that time because the fee was $2700 (I'm going from memory so that may not be exact) and they had trouble raising the funds. It's "popping up" because it's true.