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This isn't true and really isolates many people that did in fact choose to be gay or to join the LGBT community in some other way.

Please don't say it.

But it is true; I never chose to be gay, nor did any of my countless gay friends. So don't try to turn sexual orientation/attraction in the "choice" category to justify hate or religious objections. You never chose to be straight. There is no "community to join" LOL. Like I got recruited or something.. pathetic.
 
Tell that to all those bacon, ham, pork, crab, shrimp, lobster eating hypocrites ...

Don't forget shaving and people who wear cloth made with more than one kind of material... and unicorns! The bible has unicorns, so they must be real...
 
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I don't think he's asking for support. He's just saying he's gay. I don't think he cares much what people think.

I never understood why people are so threatened by other people's business... But I guess it's that same as Apple fanboys threatened by Android (and vice-versa).

I agree with your statement. What I mean is, this won't keep me from buying apple products. His "sexual orientation" is his business. Although, I think it is very wrong. But, again....I can't force this view upon everyone.
 
You can say the same thing about Game of Thrones.

There really was a wall that kept out the northern Barbarians. There really was a great chain constructed in a harbour to destroy attacking ships. That doesn't mean white walkers are real though. ;)

The Bible is an example of accounts of some real historical events (for credibility) being mixed up with folk stories, while at the same time skewing facts to promote the views of the authors.

For instance, there is a real salt formation that looks a little bit like a woman looking over a lake, that clearly inspired the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The problem is it's way too big to be an actual woman who got turned into salt, but you can see how the myth developed over time, eventually becoming turned into 'history' cough :rolleyes:, by the authors of the Old Testament.

A similar thing happens where the Bible talks about 'the beast' coming from the sea, but it's not talking about the devil, it's talking about the Roman invaders. It's worded that way for anti-Roman propaganda purposes... and very effective it was too.
if you read the bible to disprove it God will send you a strong delusion!
 
What is good? We're does it come from.?

Do you really need a allegorical book to tell you that killing someone is wrong ? Treat everyone with respect ? Do not steal ? These are common sense rule. We also have laws that enforce these values. Religion nor god is needed for any of it.

The world didn't end when kids find out that santa claus didn't exist. The same thing would happen with the whole world came to the same conclusion that some of us did. : god doesn't exist and its not the end of the world.
 
Being gay is not a choice.

Engaging in homosexual intercourse is.

I think they were referring to the latter.

Having the inclination and desire to kill people doesn't make me a murderer (in the eyes of the law, at least).

Killing someone does.

Big difference.

Engaging in heterosexual intercourse is also a choice. Why are you equating sexual relations with murder?
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Interesting, but no.

Homosexuality is found in other species. Do you think they are choosing to be gay?

You must think squirrels are brilliant.

Gay people (not people who choose to be sexually experimental or what have you) are just wired that way.

The Bible does not specifically (as you say it is the source of your morality) forbid homosexuals from being gay. Or having relationships. Or sex.

It does forbid heterosexuals from having sex with same sex partners. So, no experimentation for you. :)

The debate is not against animals. It is about human, moral choice. Galatians Chapter 5 is the best explanation for my argument, as it outlines the acts of the sinful nature (man's natural state) and how it is in conflict with the fruit of the Spirit of God, which comes from accepting Christ as your Lord.

With regards to "experimentation", the Bible has this to say, both old and new testaments (again, don't shoot the messenger):

Leviticus 20:13: "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

1 Corinthians 6:9: "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

So yes, it does say it. Specifically.

However, to that it adds the escape clause, as it were:

1 Timothy 1:9 onwards: "We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus."
 
but he was himself. and he was open with the people that really matter to him.

What is wrong is this notion that sexuality is THE defining factor of a person and that we are owed an answer by our public figures because of some nasty notion that they gave up all basic rights to be rich, famous, etc. Being gay or straight doesn't make him a nicer person or a smarter one. Its just a single checkbox among many things.

Sexuality isn't THE defining factor nor is anyone owed an answer. But for some reason HE felt compelled to come out with his sexualuality and preference.

I think that it's very good that he did honestly, as those that are homosexual that may be employeed in the workplace, thinking of a career in Apple or connecting with Apple in any way, just may feel a bit more at ease.

I'm not the defining factor in this nor are you.. it's something that hasn't been widely accepted since early days so whether we like it, agree with it, accept it, or anything else for that manner.. there is a society that we live in, that needs to accept it. If not, there will ALWAYS be a constant struggle with it.

Why are women making cents on the dollar to that of men for the same job and skill set??? It's just something that has always been and we as a society need to change that and make things equal.
 
So he's just saying he is happy, full of joy, and carefree?

I wanna make a billion dollars and have a gay old time, too.
 
Actually, no. Gender (biological or identified) is not the same thing as sexual orientation.

A person who is biologically male, but identifies as male, and is sexually attracted to women is "straight". That much is pretty straight forward in the common lexicon.

But what about:
  • A person who is biologically male, but identifies as female, and is sexually attracted to women, or
  • a person who is biologically female, but identifies as male, and is sexually attracted to women?

What about someone who identifies themselves as being gay, but is sexually attracted to someone of the opposite sex? oh wait, then we just label them as bisexual.

Everyone has to have a 'label' in our society.... THAT'S what I'm fed up with. What's even worse is when someone thinks being labeled by society is something to be proud of. No... it's not.
 
Really?

Why can't they just make computers? I don't give a crap if he likes girl bits, boy bits and/or toys. I don't buy apple because of his personal preference. Apple, or any corp, should focus on what they do. Just make tech and keep whatever you like in the bedroom to yourself.
 
steve would have never allowed this

He certainly would. Steve spoke his mind and didn't let anyone dictate how, when or where. Likely you've never been fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to be on the receiving end of one of Steve's email responses...
 
A very courageous move, Mr. Cook. Hopefully, a struggling gay/lesbian kid will be helped knowing that Apple's CEO is gay, and it's alright.
 
He doesn't need your support at all about his homosexuality.
You just have to respect him as any other human being deserves to be respected.

I agree with your first statement. If I were to greet him in person, or have some kind of conversation with him, I would certainly show him respect...as I would desire respect from him. I would certainly not support his behavior in our conversation though.
 
I so want to live in a world where people don't feel they have to choose between a normal life and publishing an essay to prove they're not afraid, but we don't live in that world yet. The comments in this thread prove it.

Sorry, Tim.
 
Do you really need a allegorical book to tell you that killing someone is wrong ? Treat everyone with respect ? Do not steal ? These are common sense rule. We also have laws that enforce these values. Religion nor god is needed for any of it.

The world didn't end when kids find out that santa claus didn't exist. The same thing would happen with the whole world came to the same conclusion that some of us did. : god doesn't exist and its not the end of the world.
How do you know what right and what's wrong?were does that sense come from? Give u a hint God
 
Well someone did out him publicly on CNBC a couple weeks back, so I guess it's just him saying for the record, "I'm gay." So the only question now is which groups/organizations will try to avoid Apple products now. Makes it easier to spot the bigots.
 
Why can't they just make computers. I don't give a crap if he likes men, women or animals. I don't buy apple because of his personal preference and it should be just that. Apple or any corp should not take a stance any which way. Just make tech and keep whatever you like in the bedroom to yourself.

Why did you comment if you don't give a crap?

Apparently you felt his remarks impact you in some way, enough to comment. Why don't you just say how you feel honestly, instead of this passive aggressive stuff? Man up!
 
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