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But it is true; I never chose to be gay, nor did any of my countless gay friends. So don't try to turn sexual orientation/attraction in the "choice" category to justify hate or religious objections. You never chose to be straight. There is no "community to join" LOL. Like I got recruited or something.. pathetic.

Though I agree with on the fact that it is not a choice. Sociology would arge that babies are born not knowing anything about sexual orientation. It is not a part of biology however your spirit is capable to overcome the natural "straight" tendency.
Saying that people are born gay is like saying that people are born to like a certain fruit or a color. These are not choices, just the way you are based on multiple factors in your life, your generated view of things, and your personality; all of which are not connected to biology.

I support your way of life though. Thanks for opening up to us here on MacRumors :).
 
There are only like 2 bible passages that even vaguely refer to homosexuality, and even then, when you analyze them and take into account historical context, it is debatable if it's even homosexuality it's referring to. For how ever many thousands of pages the bible is, it didn't seem like homosexuality was something that was emphasized to be wrong. How many times is it mentioned to "love thy neighbor"? If you claim to be a christian but are still arguing against homosexuality for whatever reason, God would not be pleased with you and if hell exists, you're well on your way there with all the hate some of you have in your hearts.
 
No. We all have two options. Most of us choose the option that makes sense of a reproductive level.

No most people don't 'choose' anything, it simply would not occur to a real hetrosexual man to go with other men - they would only be attracted to women and therefore no choice is made or ever enters the equation.

Same for homosexual men and women.

The fact that you choose to be 'straight' begs more questions of you, than anything else...
 
Old argument. This was a ceremonial law which applied only the Israelites.
That was a law of nature that God developed at creation. We were told to use the fruit of the trees as meat not the killing of animals for food. Eating dead animal flesh came after the fall of mankind
 
I wish Tim Cooke well, but I wish he had not done this. While it is social progress to treat one another with respect, certain behaviors are not respectable no matter what our salvation-by-survey culture says. Any sexual union outside of a committed heterosexual marriage helps facilitate of one or more real, measurable problems: sex trafficking, prostitution, the spread of veneral diseases, broken relationships, and very often great emotional distress. A person may be born gay just as a person may be born with alcoholism written into their DNA code. Neither is a good thing. Such people do not need ridicule. They need help. Sadly, the homosexual community keeps saying this is normal and have no hope of finding better.


Homosexuals were born that way. Your hate was a learned behavior. When did you decide to hate others?
 
I think you might misunderstand me, I guess I could have worded this better.

I will continue to buy Apple products, but I think Homosexuality is very wrong, and un-natural.

He has the freedom to live how he wants to live, I have the freedom to believe certain things are wrong.

Thankfully your kind are dying off. Except in the third world where no one is educated. Hmmm. Interesting correlation. Places where religion has the strongest grasp...are the places where people are the least educated. Color me surprised.
 
Common sense, intuition, empathy and a conscience.

All non-supernatural abilities that everyone but sociopaths are capable of.

I'm agnostic/atheist myself, but I do find it humorous how I've yet to really see a convincing argument from anyone (including Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris) for secular morality. As far as I can tell, it kinda doesn't exist.

All of the things you've mentioned (common sense, intuition, conscience) have been HEAVILY influenced by your culture. And if you live in the west, that culture is inextricably linked to judeo-christian ethics.

I find most atheist are completely ignorant (or in denial) about the degree to which their entire moral philosophy has been dictated by christianity/judaism.
 
Please a heads up to all of you who got their panties in a bunch about this news, Tim came out and told the world that he was gay. (Good for him, by the way)

What he has NOT done is told you that you should also become gay. :p
Are you sure? I was about to get my dress ready! :p
 
Thankfully your kind are dying off. Except in the third world where no one is educated. Hmmm. Interesting correlation. Places where religion has the strongest grasp...are the places where people are the least educated. Color me surprised.

Educated or just leaning to ones own understanding.
 
Good for him.
Its 2014 though. You'd think we were past having to fight for equality.

Agreed. People shouldn't have to "publicly come out". Their sexuality is their life, not mine.

However, as you imply, it's sad that this is still an issue; and if Tim Cook coming out helps with widespread acceptance, then I suppose it's a good thing.

(Note: I am a straight parent of a "questioning their sexuality" child. We have made it clear that whoever our child decides they love, that's what matters to us, not the gender of the person they love. That our child doesn't need to "come out" to us, or "declare their straightness" either. It truly doesn't matter.)
 
I feel bad for you and the 27 upvoters. I guess the Southern States are still proving themselves as 100 years behind the Northern states. Again.

You feel bad for me because I think homosexuality is wrong? Why?

I might have worded my statement badly...but I'm just saying I think that homosexuality is very wrong. We all have freedom to believe things to be wrong. I am not going to shove my believe into other peoples minds, won't try.
 
I have nothing against gays, but I'm a believer so I could answer this. When sin was brought into this world by Eva's choice, imperfections applied. Therefore when a child is born with a pedophile sexual orientation, it was not what was intended. Neither was it intended that people are born with diseases, downs syndrome etc. That's how it works, and that's why I still can be against pedophiles practicing their sexual orientation even though they're most likely born into it.

I'm not comparing homosexuals, pedophiles and people with downs, it's just the same principle.

Basically, you are saying God failed. Flopped. Messed up. Made a boo-boo. Pulled a boner. Good goofed. OK, then. Your God is fallible, so you don't really subscribe to the Judaic notion of an infallible God. Maybe you're actually a closet pagan? Maybe it's time to come out and worship Zeus freely?

FYI, "Deus" is just a corruption of "Zeus"; so you have history on your side.
 
Engaging in heterosexual intercourse is also a choice. Why are you equating sexual relations with murder?
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I wasn't equating anything. I made a comparison.

I'd made an earlier argument regarding the morality of homosexual behavior.

I simply used a commonly regarded (albeit extreme) moral example that shows the difference between having a desire to do something, and doing it.

My communication skills are apparently not what I'd like them to be. For that, I apologize.
 
No most people don't 'choose' anything, it simply would not occur to a real hetrosexual man to go with other men - they would only be attracted to women and therefore no choice is made or ever enters the equation.

Same for homosexual men and women.

The fact that you choose to be 'straight' begs more questions of you, than anything else...

You are clearly trying to say that one is born gay. This in not a fact. Calling it a fact doesn't make it a fact.
 
Hi, i'm Tim Cook and I want everyone to know that I am iGay. I figured you should know that I like to take it. Okay, that's all. Thanks!!!
 
I'm agnostic/atheist myself, but I do find it humorous how I've yet to really see a convincing argument from anyone (including Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris) for secular morality. As far as I can tell, it kinda doesn't exist.

All of the things you've mentioned (common sense, intuition, conscience) have been HEAVILY influenced by your culture. And if you live in the west, that culture is inextricably linked to judeo-christian ethics.

I find most atheist are completely ignorant (or in denial) about the degree to which their entire moral philosophy has been dictated by christianity/judaism.

No we are not but our claims is that at this point in our young life as a species, we no longer needs fairy tales for morality. Religion has run its course and served it purposed. Its no longer needed and we should move on.
 
No. We all have two options. Most of us choose the option that makes sense of a reproductive level.

Ah, that explains why the planet is turning into an overpopulated toxic waste dump! Because heterosexuals can't control their urges.

Let's see....half of straight couples in the US aren't having kids. What's about them???

It's 2014. Not 1014. We don't exist merely to reproduce and overpopulate the planet until it can't support life.
 
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