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You’ve never experienced need any of that at all?

This is feedback I’ve heard from borderline anti Apple folks. Part of the reason they went with android is so they can control how their phone performs even if it is generally a crappy experience for the average user but you get the control “needed” by intelligent / not mindless Apple sheep / tech savvy power users.

This is feedback for mostly galaxy phones and nexus phones.

Older Samsung phones with older Android sure. Not today's Android. Android is not a crappy experience by any measure. Android has a much cleaner look than iOS (imo). Do not look at store demo models as they always propel Android at its worst. I can't even stand it.

I've owned numerous iPhones and numerous Android devices including the new Samsung S8+. In fact, over the holidays I bought an iPhone 8 matte black because I love how thin and light the phone feels in my hands. But over 5 days I couldn't take iOS anymore and took it back to go back to Android.

My issues were the following: iMessages full of bottom clutter further squeezing the input text box off the screen. Increasing the super tiny font to something I can read with less than perfect 20/20 was still hard to read for me and had inconsistent font sizing issues through-out iOS after increasing it. Android uses a much more readable font size by default. I cannot understand why iPhones use such small fonts on their phones. It may work just fine for you and that is perfectly ok.

Everything was mostly white and black text and text and text all over the place. Android uses a material design look with colors and a nice flat design, and with the aid of Nova Launcher everything has a consistent clean look. Emails are easier to read, Contacts are easy to read. I prefer Signal or Textra for my text messages. And one of the most infuriating things to me was being a Linux user I had no easy way of getting music on and off the phone. Another pick I had was the default ring-tones and notification sounds are teeth grating to me. Seems it's such a pain to add your own that everybody that has an iPhone leaves the default sounds as everywhere I go, I hear the same ring-tones and text message sounds from an iPhone noob. When I'm in a group setting such as in a waiting room and someone gets a text message you see everyone glance at their iPhone because they all have the exact same sound settings.

I am not here to bash iOS or any iPhone user as people prefer what they like or are used to. In fact, I recommend iPhones to many people as it's a very respectable platform. This is only my personal experience and my own personal opinion which is pretty meaningless. I am not here to convince anyone to change platforms or argue a better platform versus another. Not worth my time. Use what you prefer the most and be happy with it as I am with mine.
 
Apple did nothing wrong. I'm disgusted with all the misleading stories and clickbait headlines.

Don't like what Apple does? Use Androids.

Yes they did do wrong. They should have told users what they were doing. So many people will have bought a new phone when they could have just replaced their battery. "Use Android" is not the answer to everything.

I'm disgusted by Apple for their lack of transparency, and happy they were exposed for it.
 
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Any LiIo-based battery-driven device ever has a „possibility of needing a battery replacement a year down the road“.

Possibility is key. Anything is possible. In Apple's case it's becoming an uprise of cases that Apple has turned a blind eye on this whole time. You should expect more after paying such a premium price on a phone. You shouldn't expect much after paying for a $100 phone.
 
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Phone can crash. Or phone can keep running.

I'm still mystified that people got all bent out of shape that the phone does what it needs to do to keep running. My son's phone was experiencing this (the phone crashing when it had 20-25% battery), until he upgraded to iOS 11, then the crashes stopped.

Seems to me if your option is a crashing phone, or one that keeps running, most people would opt for the latter. People must really be looking for things to turn into causes.

There are non-Apple phones (almost all of them actually...) that don't crash randomly AND are not throttled to 50% performance. This is the problem. With iPhone you get faulty product no matter how this switch is set. You just choose which fault you like more (as you exactly wrote). But how is this "looking for things"?
 
But what they did achieve was postponing the problem of the really poor 6s batteries until they no longer needed to be exchanged free of charge. Now you get to pay 29$ for the exchange of a battery that was of way to low quality from the start.
 
I actually feel happy seeing MR readers commenting finally understanding why Apple did this.

Sure they could have been more transparent but at least they’re offering cheap replacements despite having no requirement to do so.
 
It's all PR spin, aimed at reducing potential costs to the company. Like saying a computer may experience power supply issues, when in fact they mean - the computer will freeze and be a useless paperweight.

But this isn't just Apple - it's all contemporary business worldwide.
 
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Older Samsung phones with older Android sure. Not today's Android.

Ok so it sounds like you actually agree with me although the exploding batteries is pretty recent.

Also I felt my experience was accurate was because the users whose feedback was given also sound like you in that they work in the tech field and were using google flagship nexus phones and galaxy phones.

Initially at their release the phones were humming and obviously “better” than the iPhone anyway you look at it, but in order to keep it that way you really had to learn about the tech inside those phones and stay updated(or not) and make sure it had a specific configuration or configuration or build. Not saying that’s wrong but something I’m not interested in staying on top of as far as my phone is concerned.

That being said... Its interesting that the iPhone user experience is slowly becoming this type of experience.
 
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I’m surprised by amount of family members who have iPhones and don’t turn on the free iCloud back up features.

Their phone crashes, all their “important” data is gone and blame Apple.
Between my iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch, yeah, that’s not free. I backed up to my computer instead at the time, and it turned out that iTunes was no longer automatically syncing and backing up when I connected it to my computer.
 
I have been thinking about this a lot over the past 3 years. I was a long time Apple fan, but feel like Apple has soured recently.

The trouble is, I still feel like Apple has the best stuff out there when compared to the competition. But I do feel like the competition is closing the gap, so in a few years, maybe I will switch.

The news outlets are always good at spinning bad stories. In the old days it was microsoft, since they were biggest, now its apple - use your filter ;)
 
Ok so it sounds like you actually agree with me although the exploding batteries is pretty recent.

Also I felt my experience was accurate was because the users whose feedback was given also sound like you in that they work in the tech field and were using google flagship nexus phones and galaxy phones.

I'm weird as I seem to prefer a mid-tier phone to a low end phone. Currently, I am using a $99 Android phone and I love it. Only issue with a $99 phone is the camera sux but I don't take many photos so it's not much of an issue here. I tried the S8+ but it was just too big for me. Who knows what I'll use 6 months or a year from now. It's fun to change. It's fun to be different from the norm.
 
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Please can everyone focus on the actual problem that is the one that NEEDS to 100% be addressed from this point onwards, and the media seems to be totally ignoring.

It's quite apparent from the teardowns/specs that Apple are using Batteries that are "Only just good enough" to run their High Power Demanding excellent iPhones at top performance for a limited time. That time, it NOT the amount of time it should be, given they are the most premium/expensive phones on the market.

Without question, and this should be no.1 priority is for Apple to fit higher capacity batteries in the future in all their products, with higher guaranteed recharge cycles, so that your $1150+ TAX phone does not need to be opened up and repaired after such a short time.

You pay that much, you should expect at very least such a premium device to work for at VERY least 3 years+ before any repair is needed due to the way it is made.
Note, I'm not talking about user damage, I mean, the design of those who make it.

You would never pay over $1200 for something else, that was premium, designed this way.

Apple needs to fit better/larger batteries that are more able to cope with the demands placed on them.
Probably cost Apple all of another $10 per phone to do this. Stop shaving off those half millimeters to ruin a product Apple.
 
I have been thinking about this a lot over the past 3 years. I was a long time Apple fan, but feel like Apple has soured recently.

The trouble is, I still feel like Apple has the best stuff out there when compared to the competition. But I do feel like the competition is closing the gap, so in a few years, maybe I will switch.

No brand is perfect but I have been impressed with the pixel 2 and the multi window and PIP features on android. I’ve been following the huge thread on the pixel 2 and it is interesting how much greener the other side is not.

That being said the Apple eco system as a whole isn’t broken enough or at all for me to consider switching.
 
Older Samsung phones with older Android sure. Not today's Android. Android is not a crappy experience by any measure. Android has a much cleaner look than iOS (imo). Do not look at store demo models as they always propel Android at its worst. I can't even stand it.

I've owned numerous iPhones and numerous Android devices including the new Samsung S8+. In fact, over the holidays I bought an iPhone 8 matte black because I love how thin and light the phone feels in my hands. But over 5 days I couldn't take iOS anymore and took it back to go back to Android.

My issues were the following: iMessages full of bottom clutter further squeezing the input text box off the screen. Increasing the super tiny font to something I can read with less than perfect 20/20 was still hard to read for me and had inconsistent font sizing issues through-out iOS after increasing it. Android uses a much more readable font size by default. I cannot understand why iPhones use such small fonts on their phones. It may work just fine for you and that is perfectly ok.

Everything was mostly white and black text and text and text all over the place. Android uses a material design look with colors and a nice flat design, and with the aid of Nova Launcher everything has a consistent clean look. Emails are easier to read, Contacts are easy to read. I prefer Signal or Textra for my text messages. And one of the most infuriating things to me was being a Linux user I had no easy way of getting music on and off the phone. Another pick I had was the default ring-tones and notification sounds are teeth grating to me. Seems it's such a pain to add your own that everybody that has an iPhone leaves the default sounds as everywhere I go, I hear the same ring-tones and text message sounds from an iPhone noob. When I'm in a group setting such as in a waiting room and someone gets a text message you see everyone glance at their iPhone because they all have the exact same sound settings.

I am not here to bash iOS or any iPhone user as people prefer what they like or are used to. In fact, I recommend iPhones to many people as it's a very respectable platform. This is only my personal experience and my own personal opinion which is pretty meaningless. I am not here to convince anyone to change platforms or argue a better platform versus another. Not worth my time. Use what you prefer the most and be happy with it as I am with mine.

We hear you. It’s not at all difficult to add your own ringtones in fact you can create them yourself in GarageBand...

Your thoughts about imessage is as you state your experience. There’s a quadrillion people that want all that crap and in fact so many utterly clamor for more Android functionality and features to be added in Apples iOS. Suddenly when they are those functions are messy, bloated and unappealing. I don’t get it.

Your note about the difficulty adding music.. add it to ANY device sync’d to iCloud and bam its on all your devices. My entire personal library of 3000 songs works that way. There’s apps like PhotoSync that work perfectly moving movie and photo files from device to device or a very simple airdrop feature from device, computer, or a strangers iPhone via Bluetooth etc. I can even see my catalog when I’m working in FCP X.

Personally I’ve looked at Android.. while the hardware has gotten way better and appealing I still cannot see myself using the OS. I just don’t find it appealing at all.

I def not gonna ditch my iPhone because of the limitations on battery life. Battery technology sucks no matter what platform uses them and solely depends on the demands placed on the device by the user - and like it’s been said - so many multiples are involved and varies wildly. I’ve owned every iPhone and their hardware has vastly improved but so has the demands and the sheer number of units in the wild. Any CEM that has over a billion working units in play globally statistically speaking will suffer some sort of component failure.

There’s no comparing Android battery life to that of an iPhone. One platform has had removable, manually replaceable batteries, one doesn’t. There’s no way I’ll forget the 30% ++ androids that still use software versions at least 2,3,or 4 years old. Again another comparison exclusion. The two formats overall are vastly different. Android doesn’t have a “sister or brother” operating system on hardware like MacOS. Again - excluding a clean clear comparison. Yea it’s important for Apple to protect the Mac and iOS. What other format compares? Windows? Really?

And those who say Samsong responded “swiftly” when their batteries posed such a significant danger to human life and their customers devices were literally being banned from travel instituted globally by government agencies and regulators they had no choice but to be swift or face liability claims that would have crushed them for good. I’d love to see this type of battery thing happen to an android. Where would you go to get these “free or discounted batteries”? Who’d you call? Your trusted phone carriers would just dole them out? Replace them on site. BS. They’d take your device ship it somewhere and you’d b lucky if you got it back in 10 days. All this pontificating about what’s wrong with Apple reminds me what’s right about them and I live my life just fine - limitations and all.
 
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An unhealthy battery should be covered by the warranty. The slowing down is to avoid having to cover the battery with that warranty.
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Apple said nothing of substance. Hence the issue now.

Which company warranties “wear and tear” parts???
 
Batteries are consumable. Life-long lasting batteries using Li-ion do NOT exist. It is unreasonable to expect Apple to keep footing the bill to replace a battery that ages like Li-ion batteries do. Apple can detect a failing battery and a consumed battery. If it's failed, it's covered under warranty. If it's consumed, you have to buy another battery. Batteries don't last forever and they never have. Every one is hell bent on blowing this whole fiasco out of proportion because it's Apple. Get over yourselves. /rant


But the iPhone batteries for some reason are only good for half the cycles of their other devices, except for iPods (glad I don't own one of them)

iPhone Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles.
Apple Watch Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.
iPad Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.
iPod Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 400 complete charge cycles.
MacBook Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles.

https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/

So yes, all batteries degrade, but this implies that the iPhone batteries degrade faster than the others.

Also, supplying a device that has a battery in it that cannot handle the current spike when the CPU demands it as it degrades and does this before it even reaches the magic 80%/500 design life like my iPhone 6+ has, yells 'form over function' to me.
 
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An unhealthy battery should be covered by the warranty. The slowing down is to avoid having to cover the battery with that warranty.
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Apple said nothing of substance. Hence the issue now.

Batteries degrade... like my car breaks..oh wait, i want my car breaks to be covered by warranty after 2-3 years! :p
 
Perhaps Apple should have explained it better. What Cook is saying about an iPhone shutting down at an urgent moment all makes sense
My question is on his interview with ABC
He stated that we were told but not in the right wording. I don’t remember seeing it
 
Cook’s comments on the tax bill are extremely disappointing but can’t say I’d expect him to say otherwise since he’s a billionaire.
Please explain how bringing tens of billions of dollars back to the U.S. in tax revenue on top of the planned investments Tim Cook mentioned is disappointing?

As far as the iPhone battery drama, glad they are offering a choice to turn it off. I hope the future of iPhones is not great performance for 12 months and the rest of the time a choice between uselessly slow performance or continued great performance unreliably.
 
Amazing to see still so many people saying Apple did nothing wrong.

The level of their “loyalty” is beyond imagination.
Maybe we just have a different perspective on it. But I guess when people like to deal in absolutes, like ‘the iPad will never replace the Mac’, or ‘Apple is doomed because they aren't catering to a small niche of nerds that hardly makes any revenue’, that concept can be a little hard to grasp.
 
Tim Cook is full of it, but he cannot tell the truth because of lawsuits and reputation.

This secretive ‘power management’ was initiated to deal with suspect/defective batteries and bad design, so that Apple could avoid warranty claims and a possible mass recall.
Now this 'power management' technique, which has out-grown its original purpose, can be used to deal with ageing batteries, and this is what Tim Cook mentions. So basically, he lied.
 
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