Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Power Management Feature in Older iPhones Will Be Able to Be Turned Off in Future Update

[I7guy]

1. There are few of those members on Macrumors which we can count on our fingertips. They have literally handed over their souls to Apple on a Golden Platter.
2. Likewise, there are also many who needlessly criticize Apple for anything and everything. They might be proud owners of some low end Android or cannot afford Apple devices.
3. There are extremely few who call out Apple on their bullcrap but get mistaken for being Apple haters.

You forgot bullet point 4. There are some who are very objective and don’t see where Apple deserves the criticism who get called pejorative names like “fanboy”.
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Why. Why is a kit needed. Why not shift Jony’s amazing design prowess away from trying to figure out whether to remove physical volume buttons or on-off button next and concentrate on a convenient and robust and acceptably attractive battery access and replacement method.

Why is that not even a thought to some.

Because this is the trend to eliminate user replaceable batteries? My sp4 nor my two year old laptop has user replaceable batteries. Jony’s Amazing prowess is designing beautiful phones and user replaceable batteries screws that all up and makes the device bulky.

Can you cite recent example of user replaceable batteries on high end phones?

 

[MistrSynistr]

Maybe some of us should reconsider doing business with Apple?

If android/google/etc weren't completely compromised I would, believe me. This is literally the choice of lesser evils now.
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Apple did nothing wrong. I'm disgusted with all the misleading stories and clickbait headlines.

Don't like what Apple does? Use Androids.

That's never how this works, and is one of the most illogical statements to use, ever.

 

[RickInHouston]

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And if shutdowns and reboots where to happen wouldn't you wonder if the company isn't so perfect, after all. Wouldn't this make the apple phones much lower on the list in terms of 'what you should consider buying"? Wouldn't reviewers KILL the phone for doing this?

Apple controlled the dialogue and spun this story 180 degrees and fanboys are buying it.

Ridiculous, I say.
All phones do this when the battery wears down. The difference is that Apple doesn’t abandon phones after releasing them like every Android set out there.

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What memo have you read that says android companies abandon their users??? Again, this isn't about android. It's all about the control of the dialogue and spin apple is putting on this.

 

[deferredAnon]

That's never how this works, and is one of the most illogical statements to use, ever.

Yes, some assume we are 'renting' the iPhones from Apple. And if you are not happy, just cancel the subscription. Not the first time I heard this type of argument in this forum.

 

[chucker23n1]

Why. Why is a kit needed. Why not shift Jony’s amazing design prowess away from trying to figure out whether to remove physical volume buttons or on-off button next and concentrate on a convenient and robust and acceptably attractive battery access and replacement method.

Why is that not even a thought to some.

It would make the device lower-capacity, less robust, heavier, thicker, more failure-prone, less water-resistant. All for something most people would never ever do, and few people would do more than once every few years (at which point they’re probably considering buying a new device anyway).

 

[Tozovac]

It would make the device lower-capacity, less robust, heavier, thicker, more failure-prone, less water-resistant. All for something most people would never ever do, and few people would do more than once every few years (at which point they’re probably considering buying a new device anyway).

That’s quite a bit of assumption-making, as well as doubt on Jony's supposed amazing design capabilities.

 

[_Refurbished_]

“So at the heart of any decision that we make is the user. **Except when we leave out extremely important information that our users could benefit from. When that occurs, we don’t base our decisions around the user, we base them off of our investors. Wait a second, everything we do is based off of our investors! Disregard my opening sentence.”**

Fixed that for you Tim.

 

[Kal-037]

Such BS... it was expected Apple would do this to appease all the ignorant people who are just convinced this was an evil thing instead of a thing to keep iPhones working and loyal customers.

Science fact: Lithium-Ion batteries last 2 years... (sometimes) longer if super well kept. Apple was indeed in the right here, cause why?... science.

*But like anything anyone does these days... people must complain about it and jump to conclusions, judge, and grab a lawyer to sue for good measure.

 

[Grey Area]

It would make the device lower-capacity, less robust, heavier, thicker, more failure-prone, less water-resistant. All for something most people would never ever do, and few people would do more than once every few years (at which point they’re probably considering buying a new device anyway).

Heavier and thicker for sure, but that's it. Rugged industrial and military phones usually have replaceable batteries with large capacities, and they are a lot more robust, reliable and water-resistant than fragile consumer devices like the iPhone. I don't think iPhones should move to that extreme, but there is a middle-ground. They'd have to be only slightly thicker and heavier, and they would not need to sacrifice anything else. Given how hard it can be to pick up and hold the thinthinthin iPhone 6 and later, I would actually appreciate a bit more thickness.

 

[Fixey]

Except Apple isn't the only company that does this. Laptop manufacturers having been doing this for decades. Where was everyone's outrage over that? Oh, I forgot. It's because it's Apple. xD

People tend not to be intelligent enough to understand tech fully, they think they understand but don’t and I don’t think they know that Intel and AMD CPUs don’t run at full clock speeds all the time, only when required.

What I like to see is an option in iOS to half the processor clock speed all the time and only when needed speed up, increase battery length.

 

[Tinmania]

You know that's not a valid excuse, right? "But mom! The other kids did it, too!"

It's not even that. Laptops tell you, when choosing power options (for ONLY when on battery) that you can choose performance Vs battery life. They do this when brandnew and it has nothing to do with those poor "aging batteries." The iPhone didn't do that, and according to reports, was throttled even when connected to a charger.

And unlike laptops Apple gave no indication whatsoever that this was happening, the so-called disclaimer certainly didn't say that anything was being slowed down.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Amazing to see still so many people saying Apple did nothing wrong.

The level of their “loyalty” is beyond imagination.

I'm not sure you get simple logic, then. If people believe what Apple is saying, they will believe they did nothing wrong (aside from poor communication). If they don't believe them, they will say they did something wrong. I fall into the former category, most companies would abandon the phones altogether rather than attempt to prolong the phone's life.

Anyone who believes that this type of performance reduction happened often enough that it was "slowing down your phone", does not understand the technical side of this.

 

[Tinmania]

If I remember correctly, my windows laptop has the option to turn power management on or off.

And it had this functionality since day-one. Power Management wasn't something that mysteriously kicked in without you enabling it.

Fer cryin out loud, my car has an "eco" mode, that reduces power in order to save fuel. But only a fool would say "cars do it too!"



Mike

 

[deferredAnon]

I'm not sure you get simple logic, then. If people believe what Apple is saying, they will believe they did nothing wrong (aside from poor communication). If they don't believe them, they will say they did something wrong. I fall into the former category, most companies would abandon the phones altogether rather than attempt to prolong the phone's life.

Anyone who believes that this type of performance reduction happened often enough that it was "slowing down your phone", does not understand the technical side of this.

So, people didn't believe Apple because they didn't trust Apple to begin with? But they trusted Apple enough to buy the iPhones!

 

[DevNull0]

Given the additional context the engineers had, they could probably figure that out. Some of them built this feature, after all.

You didn't read what you literally just posted that directly in reply to. Here:

We're not mind readers. When Apple says "improves power management during peak workloads" nobody but Apple engineers translates that to "we throttle your processor frequency."

Honestly, I don't think even Apple engineers are able to translate it that way. "Your CPU is technically capable of 1500MHz, but any time you try to run something CPU intensive, we'll cut it back to 500MHz to reduce current draw" is not something a sane engineer would come up with on their own.

It takes a special kind of marketing person to may that particular leap.

No competent engineer has a brain that works that way, not even engineers who work for Apple, so no, they aren't able to make that leap off the edge of logic on their own. Maybe grasp what the marketing-speakers are getting at based on that insider knowledge. There is no way that engineers translate it that way.

 

[gnipgnop]

LOL...now Apple is going to give the "Off" switch that so many people were clamoring for and they're still in a huff.

 

[deferredAnon]

LOL...now Apple is going to give the "Off" switch that so many people were clamoring for and they're still in a huff.

"Off" button to Geekbench's throttling? How does that work?

 

[nviz22]

If android/google/etc weren't completely compromised I would, believe me. This is literally the choice of lesser evils now.
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That's never how this works, and is one of the most illogical statements to use, ever.

Compromised in what sense? That it’s not encrypted as iOS? Or because it’s like Windows and you need to be careful with what you download or use?

 

[tdar]

lol. I tried. My first attempt...Note 7. Bahahahaha. Now talk about a battery problem!

Seriously though, Android is getting better with each new iteration and I am very much enjoying my exploration of it. I recommend people do try it if they have the opportunity to do so, but still keep their iPhone handy because it’s not an easy or smooth transition for everyone. I love my Pixel 2 but am not ready to leave iPhones entirely anytime soon.

You know it's not just that simple. Before you can switch you had better have a answer for this: https://arstechnica.com/information...e-with-never-before-seen-spying-capabilities/

 

[chucker23n1]

You didn't read what you literally just posted that directly in reply to. Here:




No competent engineer has a brain that works that way, not even engineers who work for Apple, so no, they aren't able to make that leap off the edge of logic on their own. Maybe grasp what the marketing-speakers are getting at based on that insider knowledge. There is no way that engineers translate it that way.

No question the release notes are vague, but in retrospect, there aren’t a lot of option to how “power management” was improved during peak workloads”. Short of minor optimizations in the battery controller, the obvious answer is to reduce the workload.

So no, I don’t think it would’ve been a huge leap for an Apple engineer with basic knowledge of how their power management works.

 

[Defthand]

Apple could have implemented a simple notification to the user: Battery needs replacement! One with a red bubble at the General Seetings App. Just as persistent as the Update Notification.

Instead they decided to proceed via the “Throttling Route” which is most certainly more time and resource intensive to develop and implement.

Now why is that?

You're absolutely right. And I bet the plaintiff's lawyers have thought the same. Indeed, Apple could have done both—managed power deficits and informed customers of their battery's expiration—to preserve the "customer experience" as Timmy claims. But as others have discovered, including myself, Apple's assessment of a battery's health is questionable. Our batteries were considered adequate, but nonetheless triggered the power-management feature, or drained quickly during use. My guess is that an older battery meets industry battery standards, not the requirements of Apple's hardware, which Apple is trying to distract from.

 

[chucker23n1]

What I like to see is an option in iOS to half the processor clock speed all the time and only when needed speed up, increase battery length.

This already happens regardless. The CPU doesn’t clock up unless needed.

 

[Tinmania]

They did one thing wrong - they never told people what was happening.

If the only thing they did wrong was not tell people, then all they needed to do was, well, admit it--which they did. But, thanks to the so-called "complainers," they are going beyond that and implementing it the way it should have been done in the first place.



Mike

 

[deferredAnon]

Such BS... it was expected Apple would do this to appease all the ignorant people who are just convinced this was an evil thing instead of a thing to keep iPhones working and loyal customers.

Science fact: Lithium-Ion batteries last 2 years... (sometimes) longer if super well kept. Apple was indeed in the right here, cause why?... science.

*But like anything anyone does these days... people must complain about it and jump to conclusions, judge, and grab a lawyer to sue for good measure.

Because of those who 'complain about it and jump to conclusions, judge, and grab a lawyer to sue for good measure', your iPhone X/10 won't be throttled this September. You should be thankful!

You are very, very welcome.

 

[Bacillus]

Well there are people who don’t like the way Apple is Run, dont like their products, or the management and continue to buy their products. So there is a certain amount of truth be told in that comment.

Of course not. The whole reason they exist is that we customers paid them upfront, their salaries, bonuses, budgets, R&D expenditures, outrageous real estate, development, inordinate luxury.
Why? To be rerouted to Samsung after seeing the competitive advantage we financed fade away ?

Thats' s like some undergrad stud that ruined his study and tell his father "Well, don't like it, go find someone else to pay for"