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But after visiting the Statue of Liberty, I was duly impressed by this:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That quote is impactful. What you probably don’t know is that it is pure propaganda. The author of that poem, ‘The New Collossus’, wanted a racial/religious homeland for her people. It is just like politics today. People telling others how they need to live while living completely differently themselves.
 
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Of course he likes migrants, because the only ones benefitting from migrants are big business and people with their pockets already full of money. The rest of us pay, pay and pay some more.
 
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Apple can want to change hearts and minds all it wants, but in this country it doesn't matter what the people think or want. The US is not a democracy and is not run on public opinion. Power is bought, and electing a new King once every four years won't lift the country or its people out of its old British class culture. You can have all the civil wars you want, but this country has long since plateaued culturally, and & is incapable of meaningful change and further growth. There is only cashing in as long as you can on the decline, and leaving it to build anew elsewhere, same as its always been. And then, the Old Money moves on to greener pastures yet again...

Over and over...
 
Keep up the good fight Tim. It's perfectly possible to talk about things AND make products at the same time. Don't let the frog brigade dismiss every scrap of human decency as "SJW" or "virtue signalling"
When people use the term "virtue signalling" it makes me sad. It's like that person is so broken inside that they don't believe that sincerity actually exists. That any positive thing someone may say is just a cynical attempt to gain favour.
 
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Of course he likes migrants, because the only ones benefitting from migrants are big business and people with their pockets already full of money. The rest of us pay, pay and pay some more.
That is a fallacy. Corporate welfare costs you so much more.
 
Whatever happened to Tim's pipeline? Either there is a major blockage or it was all fantasy.
 
When TC makes statements 'on behalf of the employees/customers' - even just suggesting it - it is probable that a not-insignificant number of them disagree.

So, should he 'take a stand' for issues not directly related to Apple as a company? Perhaps, but IMO he has an obligation to distinguish between his personal beliefs/opinions and how he represents others.

Inevitably, leaders of large companies assume they have special insights about Life that can’t be acquired anywhere else. They even equate the art of doing business as Life itself. They write self-inflating autobiographies and lifestyle bibles preaching “values” whose origins and validity are dependent on their ability to generate profit.

Personally, I never embraced Apple because of its values. I chose it because they catered to my values. They happened to be the same but are increasingly diverging.
 
Cook should stick to making phones and computers and from the poor battery issues with I phone 6 and keyboard issues with Macs he is failing on both.
 
mm...renewables? they could decide not to go through.
but u could argue that apple is using it to enhance its image.
my question would then be, why not the other major companies?
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you are right. you will also be right when your coffee price will double, when your cleaning or gardening cost will triple, when the fast food joint will charge you higher...

Must be nice to have people working for below market wages for those things you consume.

Problem is people have become entitled to this artificially low pricing that is the result of the exploitation of these illegal immigrants... but you knew that right?
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Sources please.

Considering nobody cared, the absence of evidence in this case is proof of it.

Otherwise, you wouldn’t have people intentionally pretending that photos from 2013-2016 occurred under Trump’s administration.
 
Apple doesnt get into politics, it gets into policy? Politics is the process of which applies policy. *sigh*

Make a good device, innovate that device and do as much as you can to bring the price down while applying that balance. Ugh....
 
As far as Tim Cook, I do dislike his general lack of charisma and penchant for grandiose speech.

But after visiting the Statue of Liberty, I was duly impressed by this:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
By the tone of discourse in here, it is clear that we have lost this North Star (or maybe we never had it).

Those immigrants came legally through Ellis Island... but you knew that right?
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When people use the term "virtue signalling" it makes me sad. It's like that person is so broken inside that they don't believe that sincerity actually exists. That any positive thing someone may say is just a cynical attempt to gain favour.

When people virtue signal it makes me sad, because in so doing they lose my trust for anything else they advocate for.
 
It's certainly wearing on me these interviews. So many now about the same thing. It's fine, what he's standing for is fine, nothing against the message, I just want the CEO of a tech company to talk a little bit more about technology.
Precisely! He abuses Apple's brand and platform to spread his message. And I don't know why he says "Apple". When did he became the spokesperson of apple employees? I don't see any official statement from Apple? Will any apple employee be allow to say anything that's contradicting Tim Cook's message? He is a tech CEO, not a pastor!
 
Those immigrants came legally through Ellis Island... but you knew that right?

They also deported a large number who didnt qualify as potential benefits to society. Including the sick/contagious. Vetting was done and those who wanted citizenship didnt jump fences or sneak through. But all these things are merely small details in the immigration debate.
 
I think that inner circle at Cuppertino headquarters would make a good sanctuary city for all illegal immigrants. Do this and I'll support open borders.

BTW, can I go to any other country - live and work there, if I choose?
 
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Are there any videos of Steve talking about politics????

Steve rarely ever talked politics. Almost everything he talked about was technology and his vision of it both current and future. His life revolved around “the product” and how others did it wrong, but he was going to do it right. I loved the interviews when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs would be interviewed together. You could just feel the mutual respect they had for each other as tech visonaries, but how deep their competitive animosity was for each other. You’ll never see Tim Cook sit down with Bill Gates for an interview. He doesn’t understand the product well enough. He’s a politician and bean counter.

Sure Apple is doing great right now, but they are still living off of Jobs vision. Cooks Apple just slowly improves things that Jobs already thought up (in the case of the iDevices) and hasn’t done much of anything with the Mac other then introduce less ports and problematic keyboards. It’s a formula that works for the present and near future when you’ve got a popular brand to market, but consumer tastes change and tech evolves rapidly. It’s a formula that won’t work forever. All of these political interviews prove that Cook has no vision for product. He’s mostly concerned with this stuff while Apple runs on cruise control.

If you need any more proof watch some old Apple keynotes before Jobs got real sick. Watch him introduce and demonstrate new products. The introduction of the iPhone and iPad are great examples. He was so excited to show them off and he knew the product inside and out. Cook doesn't even demonstrate the products. He says hello and hands it off to everyone else. His passion is politics not product.
 
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Does anyone really care what this guy says? I bet those that do are only after money, because that's really all he cares about.
 
The market moved away from your niche priorities and Apple is following the enormous mountain of money that pays for everything. This is basic, BASIC business. Evolve or die, as they say.
So, do you mean the PC is a good substitute for the Mac or not? Because I hold it isn’t, but you seem to insist it is.
 
The Democrats have always been the host party of the KKK, as it was its militant wing, but you knew that.

That would explain all the Democrats holding tiki torches and chanting racist slogans in Charlottesville. *I* didn't know that but thank you for the learnin'!
 
Learn your history, the parties switched and the GOP became the host party of the KKK, but you knew that.

The parties switched... That’s a good one. :rolleyes:
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That would explain all the Democrats holding tiki torches and chanting racist slogans in Charlottesville. *I* didn't know that but thank you for the learnin'!

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/04/anti-fascism/

Norman Thomas said recently in a speech made in Cincinnati “Fascism is coming in the United States most probably, but it will not come under that name.” In this statement he was repeating the words of the late Huey Long, but Huey added: “Of course we’ll have it. We’ll have it under the guise of anti-fascism.”

Own it.
 
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