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Now I know you didn't read it yourself. The US "doesn't have to pay" anything to stay in the accord. There is a global fund that all wealthy countries have pledged to pay into to help poor countries make the transition to cleaner power sources. It's voluntary, Trump can change the level of contribution, and overall the cost is a drop in the bucket. The US has pledged $3B, total, over the entire life of the accord. Obama paid in $500M so far. This is much smaller than the cost of the silly wall you want to keep out the people you caricature in your little cartoon.
Those are not the figures posted by others. We are broke and trump did change it to ZERO
 
WRONG TIM. You put too much faith in handing over power to global authorities. There are poison pills with that accord that point in the direction towards destroying American sovereignty. We will stand as equals and not as subordinates in dealing with the environment and we dont need to yield authority to a world body to do it. We can still pursue climate ideas and goals and we will be. Were not going to have the out of control and anti business practices that were used by the Obama administration any more. We are going to Make America great again and were going to focus on America first. IF the deal doesnt favor us, it's out. We are going to be hard against anything that is detrimental to the USA.

Also, this lame accord just sends the jobs we do here to China and calls it good because now its no longer done in the USA. What the heck is that all about. Amazing how many feel goods latch on to this accord and think it is something good.
 
I don't get it... we have people starving in America. People who need good paying jobs today. We have a failing healthcare system that is in a tailspin and we're sitting on $20 Trillion of debt. We have serious problems that need fixing now, not 100 years from now. Yet, opponents rather we waste time and money being part of an accord that will do what? We can, and have been to date, help save the planet without this agreement so why do we need it now? Trump is 100% right for pulling out. We have Americans that need help today.

I agree in principle with your statement about the health care system-- it's not exactly failing, but it's in trouble, and has been for quite some time. Unfortunately, those in charge of the government right now are more interested in politicizing it than in actually addressing the problems. Perhaps that will change over time.

As far as the debt is concerned, the number you throw out is meaningless. A good deal of that is money one branch of the government owes to another. An even larger chunk is money owed to US-based private investors in the form of treasury bonds. Only about a third is in the form of treasury bills bill purchased by overseas investors. I don't know exactly what your concern is about this debt; while it's something to keep an eye on, you're post suggests you are listening to political alarmists and not actual economists. But to cut to the chase: we've already seen the impact of existing debt-- it's already priced into US currency values and interest rates. It's only future increase (or decreases!) in debt that should be a concern.
 
and I thought he was going to be pro-business.

20x more jobs in renewable energy, but ok, make poisoning the whole world okidoki so you can send a handful of people back into the coal mines instead and brag about it. Makes sense in Hee-Haw land I guess.

Thats trump logic for you. Short sighted.

Hey, Trump is the person who thinks exercise is bad for you and shortens your life span... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ng-workout-death-health-routine-a7723956.html

So... Thats Trump logic... clueless.
 
The world should boycott US companies until they can get their act together.

You shouldn't buy a car made in the US.

Foreign manufacturing is cleaner than US manufacturing. US manufacturing is too dirty and polluted.

Fire American. Hire foreign.
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It's better that Apple is Americans are forced to pay for other countries economies, since the US is the largest polluter and needs to be punished appropriately.
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People still drive cars?

LOL keep on whining buttercup.
 
Bravo for you. I have a 4 year (BS) degree in chemistry. I, unlike you, have read up on the subject and have not let the propaganda influence me. No one can prove that human activity adversely affects the climate to any significant degree. In fact, it may be a benefit. People are so deeply committed to believing the "religion", they wont even consider that tho.

1. It's not because you have BS in Chemistry you are a scientist.
2. I have actually studied climate and climate change and already 15-20 years ago scientists were warning about this topic, long before politics made it into the spectacle it is today.
3. Climate scientists have proven we are are influencing the climate. Just like we are impacting weather by changes in land-use and massive deforestation, wiping out animal species, were destroying the ozone layer in the 80's, etc. So yes, we have impacts on both a local and global scale.
4. It may be a benefit? Classic "fake news" tactics. First you say it's not possible. Then you say, if it is possible, it's something positive. Make up your mind.
5. The only religion demonstrated here is the blind fait many people still have in Trump. Luckily this fate is eroding rapidly, but I rather trust 97% scientists worldwide than 1 man who has "the best words".
 
Not my fault you're mad that our liberal philosophy is to take conservatives hard-earned money to pay for climate change.

That liberal philosophy has been strongly rejected since around 2010 where the start of winning over 1000 seats in state and federal positions as well as state governors. Liberalism is being rejected by the voters and now we won the presidency as well. Also, your taking of money, ya we saw that happen when Obama doubled the national debt during his eight years.
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If Trump cares at all about contracts. The implications if this withdrawal go way beyond the agreement. It drives the US into isolation. Like North Korea.

The idea that this single accord will drive the USA into isolationism is ridiculous. You folks on the left are amazing, you get so wrapped up in things it becomes your own little bubble world. The reaction videos on youtube when Hillary lost is a great example of this false world the left lives in.

Leaving the Paris accord will do nothing but make the USA stronger and better positioned to control her destiny instead of handing off authority to global bodies of power.
 
Of course he is, give him some time. It's not like he's not trying. First stop: North Korea.

Right because if we go to North Korea it will simply be for no reason and not as if we have been provoked. Kim is begging for it at this point.
 
and I thought he was going to be pro-business.

20x more jobs in renewable energy, but ok, make poisoning the whole world okidoki so you can send a handful of people back into the coal mines instead and brag about it. Makes sense in Hee-Haw land I guess.

Cheap energy will fuel industry and the economy. Okidoki and HeeHaw. Keep trying there guy and we'll keep winning.
 
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That liberal philosophy has been strongly rejected since around 2010 where the start of winning over 1000 seats in state and federal positions as well as state governors. Liberalism is being rejected by the voters and now we won the presidency as well. Also, your taking of money, ya we saw that happen when Obama doubled the national debt during his eight years.

Uh, have you taken a look at any congressional maps recently? Like North Carolina? Republicans win by gaming the system.

Americans are, by and large, moderate, and turning more liberal. Conservative christians, for example, resoundingly lost the so-called culture wars. And when hypocritical evangelicals laid in bed with Trump, they helped ensure the beginning of the end of the commercial religion sector in the US. Fake piety, fake values, fake compassion.
 



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Apple CEO Tim Cook this afternoon sent an email to Apple employees expressing his disappointment with U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate deal.

In the email, which was shared by BuzzFeed, Cook says that while he tried to persuade Trump to keep the United States in the agreement, "it wasn't enough." Cook goes on to reiterate Apple's commitment to reducing its environmental impact through renewable energy and an eventual closed-loop supply chain.Cook, who also shared his disappointment in a tweet, was one of many tech leaders who attempted to persuade Trump not to pull the U.S. out of the Paris climate agreement earlier this week, but on Thursday, the president announced that the United States will indeed withdraw from the accord. Since the announcement, tech company CEOs have been speaking out against the decision while pledging to continue to fight climate change.


Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg said leaving the accord "puts our children's future at risk," while Google CEO Sundar Pichai said he was disappointed with the decision. Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who said yesterday he had done all he could to advise the president to remain in the accord, made good on a promise to leave the advisory councils he served on.


Disney CEO Bob Iger also announced that he's resigned from the President's Council following the decision, while Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff said the company would double its efforts to fight climate change. Many other major companies, including IBM, GE, Microsoft, and Intel have also spoken out against the move.

Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook: Trump's Decision to Withdraw From Paris Accord 'Was Wrong for Our Planet'

This is total horse **** on Cook's and Musk's parts. Their knee-jerk reactions serve only to point up their respective political blind spots with regards to Trump and his administration. They're obviously kow towing to their sharholders, and even at that ASSUMING what their (silent) majority's opinion is on the matter. What sane individual could be for this asinine agreement which serves to both further bankrupt the US, and at the same time give a free pass to flagrantly polluting nations such as China and India? Trump isn't anti-environment and he's simply holding out for a better deal. Cook's and Musk's straw man objections hold no weight whatsoever.
 
All these CEOs should have encouraged Obama to push this to the senate. That is how our country does treaties. Any treaty one man does is undone by one man (or woman). Obama decided he should do this on his own without turning it over to the senate, so he made certain that any president that wanted to could withdraw. So here we are.
You nailed it. Honestly, Obama should never have enlisted our partipation since it wasn't a sure thing we were going to commit. Agreement isn't enforcable, treaties are.
 
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That liberal philosophy has been strongly rejected since around 2010 where the start of winning over 1000 seats in state and federal positions as well as state governors. Liberalism is being rejected by the voters and now we won the presidency as well. Also, your taking of money, ya we saw that happen when Obama doubled the national debt during his eight years.
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The idea that this single accord will drive the USA into isolationism is ridiculous. You folks on the left are amazing, you get so wrapped up in things it becomes your own little bubble world. The reaction videos on youtube when Hillary lost is a great example of this false world the left lives in.

Leaving the Paris accord will do nothing but make the USA stronger and better positioned to control her destiny instead of handing off authority to global bodies of power.

Because people were heavily vested in a campaign and were disappointed their candidate lost? What's wrong with that?

Trump was beating the drums of insurrection in the run up to the election. He still can't get over the fact that he LOST the popular vote. As a thought exercise, imagine for a moment what Trump fanatics would have done had he lost? And imagine what they will do when he is impeached?

As far as the Paris accord goes, yes, withdrawing obviously reduces our credibility and sphere of influence. But let's be fair to the puffed up manboy who thinks he has an outsize influence on everything. It's already happening.
 
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Of course he is, give him some time. It's not like he's not trying. First stop: North Korea.
North Korea is not Trumps fault; it's the worlds fault. You don't just suddenly start developing a nuke. Take a look at the failed policy that got us to this point before blaming the current president that just took office only a few months ago. As I recall - this failed policy regarding North Korea with nuclear weapons began with Bill Clinton's administration.

Edit: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron Not totally on the Clinton's.
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Because people were heavily vested in a campaign and were disappointed their candidate lost? What's wrong with that?

Trump was beating the drums of insurrection in the run up to the election. He still can't get over the fact that he LOST the popular vote. As a thought exercise, imagine for a moment what Trump fanatics would have done had he lost? And imagine what they will do when he is impeached?

As far as the Paris accord goes, yes, withdrawing obviously reduces our credibility and sphere of influence. But let's be fair to the puffed up manboy who thinks he has an outsize influence on everything. It's already happening.
I think it's YOU that can't still get over that he lost the popular vote. As it's a defense that you liberals like to play all the time. He won the popular vote.

Does that mean that when two teams play against each other in a hockey game the team that has the most shots on goal wins rather than goals? get over it. That's not how the game is played and never has been. The electoral college allows campaigning in states that may swing for their votes allowing candidates to appeal to certain demographics of the country (in middle america) that would go ignored if elections were based on a popular vote. The electoral votes also heavily favor the democrats in most elections. With CA at 54 and a TX becoming increasingly purple, republicans will have a lot of flipping to do in future elections. Be careful what you wish for.
 
This is the saddest day in American politics since the assassination of MLK. If you don't think that, I doubt your sanity.
Even sadder is the DNC's assassination of Seth Rich, the leaker. Russia didn't leak anything, it was Seth. Podesta made an example of him alright.

No tinfoil. Time will reveal all. Cross Clintons, end up mysteriously dead. That's how it's always worked.

And Tim, please stick to making gadgets. Trump doesn't want to "cook the earth" he just cares about protecting Americans and finding a better way to go about environmental protection. But I guess he will be blamed for every single climate change headline for the next century. Cool.
 
Hey Tim,

Now that the coal miners will be prospering under orange man's coal friendly economy, Apple needs to release pagers for our healthy lung brothers.
 
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