ValSalva
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A valid point. It's not like Apple is tanking it. Let's see what the numbers continue to say.
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Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer: Apple to Have 'Very Busy Fall'
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A valid point. It's not like Apple is tanking it. Let's see what the numbers continue to say.
gnasher729
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What an idiotic nonsense. Are you claiming that Steve Jobs had some secret mind bending rays and used them to sell products? So the ones buying Samsung today are the ones who wore tin-foil hats all the time?
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Did you ever hear of two guys named Fermat and Wiles?
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The same quarter last year was the one where the first Retina iPad was sold. That's a problem with "year over year" comparisons: Apple's sales and profits vary quite a lot with product introductions. Introduce a new product, get a good "year over year" comparison. Downside: You'll get a bad "year over year" comparison the year after.
mdlooker
macrumors 65816
A busy fall? I thought the springs/summers were the major releases which brought skepticism on holiday sales.
Before the WWDC was the banner event that had a known short-rope release date of their latest and greatest. Now it's just a presentation just to show whats coming with a next season release date.
It will be nice to see that earlier rotation back in play.
Before the WWDC was the banner event that had a known short-rope release date of their latest and greatest. Now it's just a presentation just to show whats coming with a next season release date.
It will be nice to see that earlier rotation back in play.
If people will keep on buying whatever Apple sticks the "fruit" logo on and no matter how inferior the product might be, Apple will assume that having a 2 year cycle for iPhone releases is perfectly OK. "S" iPhones are just slightly updated versions of their 1 year old predecessors and physically identical. Apple just slaps in couple of updated components inside and presto - brand new iPhone...
Well it isn't and most people i have talked to see it as well. This is bad news for Apple, because smart phone market today is way more advanced and competitive than it was only a year ago.
Time to innovate again Apple, or you "can't innovate my ass" anymore...
Well it isn't and most people i have talked to see it as well. This is bad news for Apple, because smart phone market today is way more advanced and competitive than it was only a year ago.
Time to innovate again Apple, or you "can't innovate my ass" anymore...
gnasher729
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No, the nonsense didn't. People being stupid, that does indeed annoy me. And people spouting nonsense. And people repeating the same nonsense again and again and again. And having to respond to people spouting nonsense because they deliberately misinterpret my reaction to their nonsense.
But let me just ask this question directly: Do you actually believe that "Steve Jobs has been programming his followers", or did you post that to annoy people? I just explained why I posted, now you can explain your post as well.
The Problem with Apple is....
The problem with Apple is they tell the customers what they need or should need. Like Flash, Mr. Jobs said you don't need Flash or you don't need an SD card for the Ipad, just buy 32gb for $100 bucks more. Apple's first product releases are mapped out for upgrades over a three year period the first Ipad no camera the customers want a camera next Gen the camera comes. This goes on through out the product line. Apple is losing ground by not giving the customers what they want, and prices are high for less product. I know this sounds like I am a Apple Hater, but I am not just want more for less.
The problem with Apple is they tell the customers what they need or should need. Like Flash, Mr. Jobs said you don't need Flash or you don't need an SD card for the Ipad, just buy 32gb for $100 bucks more. Apple's first product releases are mapped out for upgrades over a three year period the first Ipad no camera the customers want a camera next Gen the camera comes. This goes on through out the product line. Apple is losing ground by not giving the customers what they want, and prices are high for less product. I know this sounds like I am a Apple Hater, but I am not just want more for less.
Funny how, in the attempt to troll or just plain willful ignorance, people would call doubling CPU speed and quadrupling (or more) GPU speed to be a "slight update". I can only wish my desktop computer could get a "slight update" as often 🙂
I'm sure Google would be happy to "innovate your ass" if Apple can't, or what were you referring to in that last statement?
pirg
macrumors 6502a
Right?? Especially since they're not gaining new customers. All those faithful followers continuing to buy hundreds of devices each to keep apple looking strong!
More talking points....
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Apple "tells" customers what they need, but no one else does?
Why does Samsung tell me I need a 4.7" phone to have the best internals? Why do all of the decent Android tablet makers (forgive the oxymoron) tell me I can't have a 3:4 aspect ratio? Why do most non-Apple devices tell me I need to have an inferior GPU? Why does Samsung keep telling me I need to have a plastic phone?
Every company offers products with or without certain features and no product, as you can see, can please everyone. But why is it only Apple that "tells you what you want"? 🙄
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nothing wrong with the build of my 2012 iMac - it's rock solid and powerful.
what do you think is wrong with them?
kd5jos
macrumors 6502
Let me help you with this...
Multi factor authentication, that is affordable, and not easily defeated, is QUITE impressive. Right now we know that it's affordable. The manufacturing process takes fewer steps to accomplish the same thing. This results in lower manufacturing cost. If when it's publicly tested it holds up under testing, and has >.5% false positive rate, I'll jump for joy.
Saying, "gee, this isn't impressive because someone else did a crappy implementation that was easily defeated" is a little silly.
Multi factor authentication, that is affordable, and not easily defeated, is QUITE impressive. Right now we know that it's affordable. The manufacturing process takes fewer steps to accomplish the same thing. This results in lower manufacturing cost. If when it's publicly tested it holds up under testing, and has >.5% false positive rate, I'll jump for joy.
Saying, "gee, this isn't impressive because someone else did a crappy implementation that was easily defeated" is a little silly.
More powerful GPU's. SSD standard, or at least with pairings to a 7200RPM drive.
kd5jos
macrumors 6502
Yes, get what you need, and if you WANT you can use this Apple created dongle, plug it in, and have access to an SD card. I just recently purchased an Olympus EP-5 so that I would no longer be dependent on SD cards. No internet? AirDrop.
I'm going to clean up the next sentence so that it makes sense:
Okay, so Apple expects that technology is going to become obsolete, and doesn't try to B.S. people into believing something different.
I wish I could get an iPad Mini right now w/o a camera so that I could use it when I go to court. In my opinion, customers were wrong on this one. Why in the HELL would I use an iPad as a camera when I can do it in a smaller device, with as much memory? I agree with Steve on this one.
So the customers wanted something, and the customers..... got what they wanted. You just made the argument that contradicts what you are saying.
First, YOU said Apple DOES give customers what they want. You said it yourself. Second, NO Apple is not loosing ground. Name one time that Apple has had to cut the price on iPads in order to incentivize people to purchase them. Even once...
Now let's talk about Microsofts origami, or the current tablet they've had to cut prices on. Who owns the tablet market? Apple.
As I pointed out Microsoft is happy to accommodate you. I prefer the reality of better and more, and yes I believe in paying people for their work. I'm not entitled enough to think I deserve more for free.
Agreed, putting a piece of hardware somewhere is almost never impressive, it's going to be the accompanying software, and the utility it provides that will be the impressive part.
What recession?
Ummm....I guess, what recession? All of this stuff, plus two new game systems? Do companies think people are made of money?
The only thing I guess I'd like to get is maybe an upgraded iPad or iPhone (assuming there's a better camera - i'd really like a larger screen like a 4:3 or 4:7 I love the feel and usefullness of the large screen android phones), my iPad 2 is a little long in the tooth, but retina isn't enough of a justification to upgrade and LTE still kind of sucks where I am. So I have no compelling reason to upgrade anything this fall.
Ummm....I guess, what recession? All of this stuff, plus two new game systems? Do companies think people are made of money?
The only thing I guess I'd like to get is maybe an upgraded iPad or iPhone (assuming there's a better camera - i'd really like a larger screen like a 4:3 or 4:7 I love the feel and usefullness of the large screen android phones), my iPad 2 is a little long in the tooth, but retina isn't enough of a justification to upgrade and LTE still kind of sucks where I am. So I have no compelling reason to upgrade anything this fall.
Well said I will think before I write
[ QUOTE=kd5jos;17625531]Yes, get what you need, and if you WANT you can use this Apple created dongle, plug it in, and have access to an SD card. I just recently purchased an Olympus EP-5 so that I would no longer be dependent on SD cards. No internet? AirDrop.
I'm going to clean up the next sentence so that it makes sense:
Okay, so Apple expects that technology is going to become obsolete, and doesn't try to B.S. people into believing something different.
I wish I could get an iPad Mini right now w/o a camera so that I could use it when I go to court. In my opinion, customers were wrong on this one. Why in the HELL would I use an iPad as a camera when I can do it in a smaller device, with as much memory? I agree with Steve on this one.
So the customers wanted something, and the customers..... got what they wanted. You just made the argument that contradicts what you are saying.
First, YOU said Apple DOES give customers what they want. You said it yourself. Second, NO Apple is not loosing ground. Name one time that Apple has had to cut the price on iPads in order to incentivize people to purchase them. Even once...
Now let's talk about Microsofts origami, or the current tablet they've had to cut prices on. Who owns the tablet market? Apple.
As I pointed out Microsoft is happy to accommodate you. I prefer the reality of better and more, and yes I believe in paying people for their work. I'm not entitled enough to think I deserve more for free.[/QUOTE]
[ QUOTE=kd5jos;17625531]Yes, get what you need, and if you WANT you can use this Apple created dongle, plug it in, and have access to an SD card. I just recently purchased an Olympus EP-5 so that I would no longer be dependent on SD cards. No internet? AirDrop.
I'm going to clean up the next sentence so that it makes sense:
Okay, so Apple expects that technology is going to become obsolete, and doesn't try to B.S. people into believing something different.
I wish I could get an iPad Mini right now w/o a camera so that I could use it when I go to court. In my opinion, customers were wrong on this one. Why in the HELL would I use an iPad as a camera when I can do it in a smaller device, with as much memory? I agree with Steve on this one.
So the customers wanted something, and the customers..... got what they wanted. You just made the argument that contradicts what you are saying.
First, YOU said Apple DOES give customers what they want. You said it yourself. Second, NO Apple is not loosing ground. Name one time that Apple has had to cut the price on iPads in order to incentivize people to purchase them. Even once...
Now let's talk about Microsofts origami, or the current tablet they've had to cut prices on. Who owns the tablet market? Apple.
As I pointed out Microsoft is happy to accommodate you. I prefer the reality of better and more, and yes I believe in paying people for their work. I'm not entitled enough to think I deserve more for free.[/QUOTE]
haravikk
macrumors 65832
I hope the Mac Pro is being released as well? I'm eager to find out what the new ones will cost, as my early 2008 is giving increasing signs that it's ready to be taken outside and shot 🙂
Well, it's probably still perfectly repairable (and a lot more cheaply than whatever the new Pro will cost), but as usual with Apple's pro offerings I'm starting to outgrow it and I'm also addicted to buying shiny new things, not a healthy combination for my funds!
I'm hoping the new Pro won't cost more than the current price brackets, but with two GPUs as standard they'll need to have a great deal in place to keep the low end Mac Pro affordable. Hopefully eliminating a second processor helps balance things a bit, as well as less materials for the case. Probably wishful thinking, but hopefully Apple knows they can only squeeze so hard on pricing.
Well, it's probably still perfectly repairable (and a lot more cheaply than whatever the new Pro will cost), but as usual with Apple's pro offerings I'm starting to outgrow it and I'm also addicted to buying shiny new things, not a healthy combination for my funds!
I'm hoping the new Pro won't cost more than the current price brackets, but with two GPUs as standard they'll need to have a great deal in place to keep the low end Mac Pro affordable. Hopefully eliminating a second processor helps balance things a bit, as well as less materials for the case. Probably wishful thinking, but hopefully Apple knows they can only squeeze so hard on pricing.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
Look what you can get from Clevo/Sager now.
13.3", 1080p, IPS
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ingnuts-sager-np7330-clevo-w230st-review.html
Jynto
macrumors 6502
The Buyer's Guide is not a crystal ball. It doesn't know when they products are going to be updated. Just because something is long overdue for an update, doesn't mean it will get one. Case in point - the iPod Classic and Shuffle, both of which 'update soon' according to the Buyer's Guide.
If you care to put your $ where you're trolling mouth is, I'd be PLEASED to use an escrow site to hold $1,000 of each of our money until Jan 1 of 2014, then releasing it to you if APPL is at or below $250 & to me if (well.. let's be honest- when) it is above $250. Please feel free to PM me. I'm serious about my post... though I doubt you are.
baryon
macrumors 601
Yes but those are all old products, no one really expects regular updates. But the Retina MBP is definitely a flagship product, and it would make sense for Apple to update it as often as they did until now. But then they haven't updates the iPad Mini in a long time either, even though its a well-selling iPad, so who knows
I'm only curious because I'm planning on buying a rMBP soon 😀 who knows, the price may be lower, the low-end model may be better, the image retention problem may be fixed And if the CPU is faster or the battery life is better, I'm waiting for the update.
But if the rMBP already appeared in benchmarks, it means the product is complete, so why wait three more months before releasing it? Sure production has to ramp up but they're already producing the current generation models fast enough, it's not like they have brand new technology to iron out.