I was just making a point...my figures may have been off but I don't have hours to sit here and research. I do have to work, ya know. I'll up the pricetag to $100,000 if that makes you happy.
-Eric
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I was just making a point...my figures may have been off but I don't have hours to sit here and research. I do have to work, ya know. I'll up the pricetag to $100,000 if that makes you happy.
-Eric
I for one, don't agree with Apple's price cuts, especially if this will be an ongoing trend. They could have kept even higher margins by keeping their previous price points but improving quality and features. This is how it was generally done in the past. But then I guess the low-priced razor-thin-margin PC market applied pressure to force Apple to also lower prices.
I actually took the time to read your signature. I am sorry that I questioned your computer knowledge. Anyone that spent as much money on a non-portable laptop (iMac) needs to justify their purchase as much as possible. How about you read up on computer and computer parts a little a come back when you know more. The iMac is the epitome of an uninformed consumer.
What price cuts? Last I checked, you still can't buy an Apple laptop with a dedicated graphics card for less than $2000. 2 refreshes ago, prices went up a bit and people went crazy here. Now it seems that they just went back to the old pricing scheme.
Sure they lowered the price on the base 15" macbook pro, but they also stripped out the dedicated graphics card at the same time. That's not price cut to me, that's feature reduction.
This just in......Bugatti has claimed 100% of the market in the category "cars costing over 1,000,000$ dollars." Wow, way to go Bugatti! Bugatti - absolutely destroying all the other car companies and driving them out of business with their phenomenal market share.
Oh, and inb4 "that's right, Macs are the Bugatti of the computer industry." No, they are not.
Oh, and inb4 "that's right, Macs are the Bugatti of the computer industry." No, they are not.
Uh huh? The software does not matter? The design does not matter? The quality of the construction and the materials do not matter? Do you also determine the positive qualities of a car by staring at it's specs?
How about "how much enjoyment using the computer gives you"? Do you REALLY think that ONLY thing that matters in computers is the amount of Mhz and GB you get? There's more to computers than mere specs. A lot more.
But it's just yet another generic tower-PC with an Apple-logo, right? How can such a generic machine be "amazing"?
So why are you then making retarded claims that Macs are nothing but PC with Apple-logo on them?
Did it ever occur to you that it might cost a bit extra to make a workstation that is "amazing" and "unlike every other workstation"? If it cost the same as some other workstation does, they would have to sacrifice some of those things that make it "amazing".
But I thought that Macs are just generic PC's with Apple-logos... You keep on "laughing" at my comments, yet you keep on telling how awesome Macs are. So which is it: Awesome machines or generic PC's with Apple-logo?
What you get is a laptop that is smaller and lighter than competing laptops, that have superior battery-life, superior OS, superior build-quality and top-notch components. Sure, some competing laptops might have faster CPU or faster GPU, but those machines would be designed like crap, have crappy battery-life and/or weight so much that they wouldn't really be portable anymore.
I have no problems paying for quality-hardware that gives me joy to use. I might save a bit money by getting a PC instead, but I wouldn't get enjoyment from the machine.
IF you want to refute my claims, you might use other adjectives than "awesome" and "unique" when describing the crappiness of Macs....
Or maybe people who buy an iMac have different needs than you. Can you tell me what an iMac can't do that I need it to?
Logical fallacy.
Just because you don't like the price of a certain model does not mean Apple did not cut the prices of certain computers.
Just because you don't like the price of a certain model does not mean Apple did not cut the prices of certain computers.
Eh?
I don't agree with all of BRLawyer's posts, but this is just silly. I had an iMac for a while, but ultimately decided I'd prefer a laptop and upgraded to the MacBook Pro. The iMac served me well when I had it and currently serves its new owners well. Apart from the usual arguments about all-in-ones (not easy to upgrade, blah blah), what's not to like?
I look at it this way,
in a hypothetical situation, you could either get a $1k+ Sony Vaio of some sort, that generally is underpowered for the price you pay, and runs only Windows or a Linux variant. It just looks fancy.
OR
I could pay around the same price say 1.2-1.4k and get a macbook pro, which looks just as good if not better, and is made of aluminum, can run OSX, Linux, and Windows, has local tech support via apple store or reseller...not to mention has a decent spec list with discrete graphics.
There is no reason to get a boutique Windows based laptop over an Apple.
(Super gaming laptops not withstanding)
in a hypothetical situation, you could either get a $1k+ Sony Vaio of some sort, that generally is underpowered for the price you pay, and runs only Windows or a Linux variant. It just looks fancy.
OR
I could pay around the same price say 1.2-1.4k and get a macbook pro, which looks just as good if not better, and is made of aluminum, can run OSX, Linux, and Windows, has local tech support via apple store or reseller...not to mention has a decent spec list with discrete graphics.
There is no reason to get a boutique Windows based laptop over an Apple.
(Super gaming laptops not withstanding)
I have to agree with Shiner. If a computer company decreases the price of a particular computer and at the same time takes away an important part like dedicated graphics that isn't really a price cut. It's a feature cut with a corresponding price cut. Now had Apple kept the dedicated graphics in the 15" model and lowered the price I'd say that was a price cut.
Some of the comments here make me laugh. I will ignore the fact that I have seen quite a few friends switch to Mac over the last few months, and that my job entails fixing computers, 100% of which are PC's because the Mac's we have in house never break. Build quality? If you compare the build quality of an aluminum Mac (even back to the pre unibody Macbook Pro's) to that of a plastic, clunky PC you will see the quality difference. Mac's have that professional look AND feel to them, and are powerful enough for plenty of people to get their tasks done.
Yeah, you can stroll into Best Buy and buy a sub $1,000 laptop, but its going to be a thick, clunky, ugly system. Thats the way the ball bounces, and if that satisfies your needs then so be it. I could put my Macbook Pro next to any PC, and challenge anyone WITHOUT BIAS to tell me which looks more professional, and higher quality. 9 out of 10 people will say the Mac, maybe even all 10.
If I call Dell for support, I speak to someone in India that I cannot even understand. If I call Microsoft for support, I also get someone in India that I cannot understand. If I need Apple support, I get a US based person. Thats a world of difference to me. The quality of the Apple brand is reflected in the design and detail of their products and the quality of their support.
Finally, if Windows PC's are so wonderful, why did MPC/Gateway (the Gateway business division that my University owned so many laptops and desktops from) go out of business while Apple keeps posting amazing profits?
Yeah, you can stroll into Best Buy and buy a sub $1,000 laptop, but its going to be a thick, clunky, ugly system. Thats the way the ball bounces, and if that satisfies your needs then so be it. I could put my Macbook Pro next to any PC, and challenge anyone WITHOUT BIAS to tell me which looks more professional, and higher quality. 9 out of 10 people will say the Mac, maybe even all 10.
If I call Dell for support, I speak to someone in India that I cannot even understand. If I call Microsoft for support, I also get someone in India that I cannot understand. If I need Apple support, I get a US based person. Thats a world of difference to me. The quality of the Apple brand is reflected in the design and detail of their products and the quality of their support.
Finally, if Windows PC's are so wonderful, why did MPC/Gateway (the Gateway business division that my University owned so many laptops and desktops from) go out of business while Apple keeps posting amazing profits?
Many professionals would disagree with your statement of Windows being dead.
Until software of all types is written and supported for X-amount of years for OS X the compelling reason to buy Windows is to be able to perform a certain task from your computer that doesn't exist for the Mac and get support for it.
Couple that with MILLIONS of people who dont know any better, MILLIONS of business owners who will not take the chance on switching to be left with inadequate support from software vendors or the chance of their business being down, or people with investment in Microsoft OS software....and more
Point is Windows is not dead by a long shot.
I do feel Windows has lost touch with its users however.
IMO the GUI is messy and unintuitive after XP, although I admit beautiful in 7's case.
I like OS X and wish I could get engineering and some other specialty software for it
Hold on a second!! Link me the MBP for 1.2-1.4K with dedicated graphics. I have my credit card ready to go. Oh wait you are making up numbers. Got it.
could always go for refurb or last gen? got my last last gen 2.4 MBP new for 1.5k (over a year ago). Parents bought the Penryn MBP 2.5 for slightly more at 1.6k new. gotta love college prices.
fine, i was off by a few hundred.Which keeps my argument intact. Any company that owns a segment is in pretty good position, naturally if that segment is very small, it is not as impressive. But the segment Apple is in, the +$1000 computer is a multi-billion dollar business.
If any single car company owned the +$100,000 segment, they would be very well off. RR, Bentley, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin together probably own the +$200,000 car business (there are others like Maybach, pretty small, Bugatti, pretty small, and maybe a dozen other really small ones). The point being that you have to set the bar pretty high to get down to a few companies and even then none of has an overwhelming market share. Maybe if you set the bar at +$350 000, RR becomes dominant.
I am glad it served you well. Like I stated the average consumer has no problem with inferior parts in a fancy enclosure. I just hate when uninformed people come in and say apple sells high-end computers. They don't!! They sell one high end computer, the macpro, the rest are cheap computers sold at a high price.
Odd, my iMac sits on top of my desk, is not portable, is not pocketable, and will not sit (comfortably) on my lap.
Hence the iMac is a desktop.
And if you want to throw out the "expandability" chestnut, please give me your approximation of the percentage of "desktop" computer users who actually crack the cases on their machines and "expand" anything during the lifetime of that computer.
(My guess: 5%?)
Hmm, I guess those are just "ALL-IN-ONES WITH DETACHED MONITORS" then.
Since about 0.001% of the population can afford a Bugatti, whereas maybe 5% can afford a Mac (global population, very rough estimate).
could always go for refurb or last gen? got my last last gen 2.4 MBP new for 1.5k (over a year ago). Parents bought the Penryn MBP 2.5 for slightly more at 1.6k new. gotta love college prices.
Yeah but your post passes on incorrect information. Especially in this topic when we are discussing brick and mortar stores. Who cares if your brothers sisters chicken can find a refurbished slightly dented MBP for $500. If you walk into a store and are joe average you will have to spend $1,999 to get a MBP with dedicated graphics (and only 9600GT at that). That is outrageous.
Maybe my math is off but $1,999 is more than 1,200 or 1,400 right?
Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that Apple did not reduce it's prices during the latest round of refreshed? To make it simple for you:
MacBook air saw price-reduction of $300 (entry-level model) and $700 (hi-end model)
17" MBP was reduced from $2799 to $2499
13" MBP (compared to 13" Al-MacBook): $100 at the low-end. I'm not sure if price-reduction took place at the hi-end.
And the 15"... Hi-end model was reduced by $200, midrange stayed put and they added a new low-end model.
They didn't reduce features, since the low-end model is an addition to the lineup, as opposed to replacement to some existing model. You can still get a model with dedicated GPU, so how exactly did they reduce features as far as you are concerned? Offering a new product that did not exist before is not the same thing as "reducing features".
The low-end 15" MBP is for people who want a big screen but don't need a dedicated GPU. Those who need the GPU can still buy one.
As a happy iMac owner (on my second now) who has built his own PCs in the past (and won't go back), I beg to differ.
You want uninformed consumers? Try Windows.
Classic!! It is a desktop when it uses desktop components!!!! I bet you didn't even realize everything in your imac, except the hard drive, is a laptop part.