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So basically Curtis is a f*****g t**t.

Who wouldn’t call Apple if you know you are expected to send your old Mac back and the box doesn’t arrive. On top of that ignore several email reminding him.
I am personally more dismayed that someone was able to spread misleading claims about Apple online with little resistance. Not only were there few people bothering to verify his claims, but they practically fell over themselves to assist in propagating this lie and paint Apple in a bad light.

At the end of the day, the Apple Card is a regular credit card run by Goldman Sachs. Evaluate it as such. If anything goes wrong, it probably is in line with existing credit card practices and policies. No need to go fishing for conspiracy theories where none exist just because it’s Apple.
 
Curtis says that Apple did not send him the trade-in box for his older Mac and he forgot about it, so he essentially got the trade-in discount without providing the Mac back to Apple. He overlooked several emails from Apple and investigated only when his ‌Apple ID‌ became locked.

Cool story, Curtis. You forgot to notice that you still have your old computer that you were supposed to send in and didn't bother to read the multiple emails from Apple? Yeah. ok.
 
Reading this thread makes me believe 50% of the people do not read the article or had a D at reading comprehension in school.
His account was not LOCKED/FROZEN!
 
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Who forgets to to send in a trade in item or not follow up on why the return box hasn't shown up?
Then ignores the emails from Apple:rolleyes:
lazy people....and people that try and get free stuff from apple, it's getting worse and worse the more money apple makes the more the these gross people try and get something for nothing, apple too nice. Why don't people attack car companies or banks, they are the companies that rip people off.
 
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Don’t believe the hype. This guy was “internet famous” and whining about Apple being mean to him. Of course he didn’t provide all the facts, and of course he had done a whole bunch of stupid stuff that he “conveniently” forgot to mention in his complaint. Everybody should permanently ignore this guy from now on.
 
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Something to add about this issue, I'm sure many on this forum also has done trade in before. They usually send out the box with tracking and send emails when delivered and the trade in box details are also there on the order page itself.
 
Do Apple offer different way to Trade In Credit in US?

Normally they will charge full price and only refund / credit you once they have received your Trade In or doing it like iPhone where they have Credit given to you on the spot.
Maybe the insta-refund is related to the Apple Card? I paid full price and had to ship my computer back first to get credit.
 
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Frankly, I give him credit for taking responsibility as much as he did. I'm so tired of living in a society where nobody wants to take responsibility for anything. Who steps up and admits it when they do something wrong?
That’s part of the problem, though... only taking PART of the responsibility. Taking part of the responsibility is easy. Taking part of the responsibility is like “I ran a red light, but that was because I was mad, so give me credit for taking responsibility for running the light!” Taking part of the responsibility means they’ll likely to do it again because they never dealt with the real source of the problem that they didn’t take responsibility for.
 
You hit something critical - the e-mail Apple sent him had a bad reply-to address. This has happened to me, multiple times, with Apple and Apple Card. He definitely made some mistakes but Apple also made some mistakes and then made it more difficult than it needed to be for him to rectify things.
An email address like noreply@post.applecard.apple? Those are standard with every business. They don’t use the same accounts for incoming and mass outgoing emails. Additionally, the emails ALSO include a telephone number AND a suggestion to contact Apple within the Wallet app.
 
Perhaps you should make a Plan B and keep it active. That’s true of any identity really. I have a Microsoft account for that, bc I don’t don’t like Google Facebook etc.

Just imagine getting locked out of your trading accounts 😉
I do. And really everyone should at least be aware. I make sure my internal HD is big enough to keep "optimize storage" shut off on iCloud Drive and Photos so that everything is downloaded (and backed up). Same with all my mail. Sounds paranoid, but whatever!
 


Designer Dustin Curtis yesterday shared a story about an unusual series of events that led to him missing an Apple Card payment and Apple then opting to freeze his Apple ID, leading to fears that missing an Apple Card payment could cause Apple to lock an Apple ID.

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In a statement provided today to 9to5Mac, Apple said that's not the case and clarified what had happened in Curtis' specific situation.Apple Card and the Apple ID are not linked in a way that would allow the Apple ID to be disabled in the event of a missed payment, and there was a trade-in issue that led to Curtis' problem. He purchased an M1 Mac and at that time, opted to trade-in an older Mac, getting an instant discount.

Curtis says that Apple did not send him the trade-in box for his older Mac and he forgot about it, so he essentially got the trade-in discount without providing the Mac back to Apple. He overlooked several emails from Apple and investigated only when his Apple ID became locked.

The Apple Card was involved because Curtis made the purchase with an Apple Card, but when Apple went to charge Curtis for the full amount of the M1 Mac, it could not get payment, leading to the Apple ID freeze.

Apple will freeze an Apple ID for a trade-in that goes south. In this case, Curtis received a discount on his M1 Mac without sending in his older Mac, and because Apple was unable to collect the full payment for the M1 Mac, the Apple ID was restricted until Curtis paid in full.

Customers who have an Apple Card and miss a payment do not need to worry about having their Apple IDs frozen in the same manner.

Article Link: Apple Clarifies That Missed Apple Card Payments Don't Affect Apple ID
He “forgot about it” and “overlooked several emails “. Sure he did, sure....yea I don’t think so. He thought he was going to get to keep his old one.
 
He “forgot about it” and “overlooked several emails “. Sure he did, sure....yea I don’t think so. He thought he was going to get to keep his old one.

🎼He was going to return the Mac, but then he got high.
He was really gonna send it back, but then he got high.
Now he’s tweeting mad, do you know why?
Hey hey!
Because he got high, because he got high, because he got high!🎶
 
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I didn't even realize trade in instant credit was a thing. Is this a Apple card perk? Usually you need to pay the full price of product and when Apple receives the trade in Apple credits your credit card. Something tells me this isn't the first person that failed to send in there trade in.

I can see Apple discontinuing this whole instant credit trade in thing.
 
I didn't even realize trade in instant credit was a thing. Is this a Apple card perk? Usually you need to pay the full price of product and when Apple receives the trade in Apple credits your credit card. Something tells me this isn't the first person that failed to send in there trade in.

I can see Apple discontinuing this whole instant credit trade in thing.
Trade-ins have been happening that way for a while now in Japan. I can’t imagine them stopping. Really it’s a good program if you don’t wanna hassle with selling your old kit. I would probably guess 99% of the people send back their stuff.
 
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I think part of the confusion in all this is folks not being clear on what things are:
You have an Apple ID which is your email/pasword. It contains your contact and billing info. That's about it.
That Apple ID acts as the key to let you into accounts and services at Apple: iCloud, Music, TV+, messages/facetime, game center, the stores, developer site, etc... While these services are accessed with your Apple ID they are NOT part of the Apple ID itself.

The Apple ID is really never locked except in egregious security issues. The accounts can be locked for any number of reasons: messages gets locked for high volume or spam, iTunes for non-payment or chargebacks.
 
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No, that's not the case here. He received an e-mail with a reply-to address that included a typo - a "p" in front of receivables. This caused his reply to bounce back. I've had the same experience, multiple times. For example, most recently, I've received an e-mail from Apple Card requesting some evidence for a transaction. There was no separate reply- to e-mail address and the e-mail address they sent from was a no-reply e-mail address (just to be sure, I replied and it immediately came back as undeliverable). When I asked where to send the evidence, Apple Card folks told me to contact Apple because it was a technical issue and Apple folks told me to contact Apple Card because it was an Apple Card issue. The point is that if Apple is going to have such substantial responses, they need to make sure their communications actually allow a customer to communicate back.

An email address like noreply@post.applecard.apple? Those are standard with every business. They don’t use the same accounts for incoming and mass outgoing emails. Additionally, the emails ALSO include a telephone number AND a suggestion to contact Apple within the Wallet app.
 
When I asked where to send the evidence, Apple Card folks told me to contact Apple because it was a technical issue and Apple folks told me to contact Apple Card because it was an Apple Card issue. The point is that if Apple is going to have such substantial responses, they need to make sure their communications actually allow a customer to communicate back.
preceivables! LOL Fair enough. However, there’s a difference between having difficulty then waiting to see if it’ll “sort itself out” and what you did which was follow up on the discrepancy. BTW, if you didn’t use email how did you ask where to send the evidence?
 
Right, I don't disagree that he should have done more, but Apple also needs to clean-up their communications.

For my situation, I had to call and use messages to get it sorted out. The interesting things was the only options to submit evidence was over e-mail or physical mail. Especially in the face of Covid-19, it is strange that getting an e-mail address right is a prevalent problem.
preceivables! LOL Fair enough. However, there’s a difference between having difficulty then waiting to see if it’ll “sort itself out” and what you did which was follow up on the discrepancy. BTW, if you didn’t use email how did you ask where to send the evidence?
 
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Dustin Curtis's was at fault for not sending the trade-in back, so Apple attempted to charge the balance owed to his Apple Card. That transaction failed, and so they disabled his Apple ID, which based on Apple's response to this article, is standard practice when they are not able to collect payment for shipped products. The only place that Apple erred is that the messaging that Dustin received while trying to figure out what happened to his Apple ID, seemed to be misleading. It took him being passed between Apple and Goldman Sachs multiple times before he was able to get his Apple ID unlocked. The original article stated that missing Apple Card payments will lock your Apple ID, this is not true, and what Apple refuted in their response to this. The reasons why he didn't send in the trade-in, didn't read his email, or why his Apple Card failed, don't really matter to the subject of the original article, that missing payments disables your Apple ID. From that perspective, the article was wrong.
 
I can quite believe that the packaging was not received, I’m waiting for packaging for 2 items I wanted to trade-in.Apparently it was sent on 15th Feb but not arrived Iv chased them twice and all I get is that’s it’s been sent by DPD.
 
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