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Is that the situation with Android?
I don’t know where to easily find the data on that. But if it’s not the situation, I’d imagine it’s because the Android store is more lax. And either way, I wouldn't want to open the possibility.
 
I don’t know where to easily find the data on that. But if it’s not the situation, I’d imagine it’s because the Android store is more lax. And either way, I wouldn't want to open the possibility.
It may be more lax but it's not the reason. It's because apps on the Android store are much more downloaded than the ones that are not there. I am not an expert but I have read that again and again.
 
If the App Store becomes optional, more and more companies will migrate out of the App Store to avoid Apple’s cut and tight control, leaving less and less choice for customers to stay inside the garden.
I suspect that it’s more about profits than security for apple.
If they really want to control security, they can make their own apps for the app store.
They certainly got enough money to do so, and then they could also keep all the profits from apps as well.
 
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I completely disagree. You are assuming that the people and business would back or accept the government regulators/polititions. Instead I think they would push back forcing the regulators/politicians etc. to back down.

Some might but I know my company wouldn’t. They buy a few hundred iPhones a year and if they were not available, they’d get what was without wasting too much time on it.
 
You will still be able to only use iOS AppStore and be as lockdown as you wish. Your security won’t be affected. And will have bigger worries about social engineering attacks to get your passwords stolen instead

This would only be true if all apps also continue to be offered in the App Store, which is very unlikely as companies like Epic will pay for exclusive deals. Apps you need that you can currently find in the App Store will move to different stores thereby forcing you to install those stores if you want to get them. Such app and payment method fragmentation is a net loss for iOS users in terms of security, discoverability and usability.
 
Here one for the ashes. Consider the latest Apple decisions against Russian customers. They have bought an iOS for as much as others. Suddenly are deprived of its features by Apple … . Cannot install new apps, cannot pay for things with it …

To actually see how bad this is for users … please keep your mind away from the Russian vs Ukraine situation, I know it’s difficult, but think about the power the company has over people properties with no way to claim their costs.
 
Here one for the ashes. Consider the latest Apple decisions against Russian customers. They have bought an iOS for as much as others. Suddenly are deprived of its features by Apple … . Cannot install new apps, cannot pay for things with it …

To actually see how bad this is for users … please keep your mind away from the Russian vs Ukraine situation, I know it’s difficult, but think about the power the company has over people properties with no way to claim their costs.
Yes, it’s a good thing companies have control over their intellectual property as long as that control is legally used. (Sanctions)

And remember there is always a browser.
 
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Here one for the ashes. Consider the latest Apple decisions against Russian customers. They have bought an iOS for as much as others. Suddenly are deprived of its features by Apple … . Cannot install new apps, cannot pay for things with it …

To actually see how bad this is for users … please keep your mind away from the Russian vs Ukraine situation, I know it’s difficult, but think about the power the company has over people properties with no way to claim their costs.

A better example was where Apple withdrew Back to Mac support, leaving people to find alternative solutions, which was a fully within Apple decision as opposed to something imposed on Apple externally.

BT used to provide free webmail but then withdrew from non BT ISP customers, and had to setup new email, accounts, in the same way that Russians now have had to setup alternative payment methods other then Apple pay. Again nothing forced on BT but a decision that they chose to take themselves.

With the App Store then as cannot process payments then I would imagine that would require Apple to develop the App Store further to support non payment accounts as well, ie for free apps, download accounts.

Apple still take down the Website Store to update it, when the technology been around to update without doing so for ages, so hey are quite backward in somethings still.

With Russia then are not decisions made by Apple but decision’s forced on Apple to comply with economic sanctions against Russia, due to the Russia / Ukraine situation. To call them Apples decision is like saying that the decision to invade Ukraine is the fault of the ordinary citizen of Russia. (Which it certainly is not and lots of evidence that Soldiers and Citizens of Russia not happy with the situation either, unless someone wants to claim is all western and ukrainian propoganda.)

Even Apple cannot do sanctions busting.

Consumers always going to be under the power for non-essential services as whilst essentials covered usually so cannot be turned off, mobile phones are not really essentials so here in the Uk, then Apple could turn off the services as well if they wanted too.

If Apple decided to exit UK market then just as much I could do as Russians can do. With UK market being profitable then Apple won’t pull out. This has always been true.
 
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Yes, it’s a good thing companies have control over their intellectual property as long as that control is legally used. (Sanctions)

Apple control over their intelectual properties is under no threat. There is nothing being copied and or stollen that belong to Apple. Even though I share the same political stance as Apple on this matter m, what happens when we don’t in cases? That is where your idea of … “buy something else after” does not stick. Because it’s not about that, but the right users have to protect their properties even if not inline with Apple interests.

Your notion of intelectual property is overreaching customers, citizens properties. Now are smartphones, later are smart cars and smart houses …. What would Apple do with their smart cars in such a situation … block the ability of filling up with electrons?

“Whataboutism” is a sign of intelligence … at its core is the art of making questions.

That is why Apple will be regulated. By people making questions.
 
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Even Apple cannot do sanctions busting.

True. But neither Apple or their customers have the same problem with macOS. Users, the owners of Macs, even if they are Russians are still able to fully use it. How? Because users rights over the use of their properties is systemically guaranteed. That is why justifying iOS policies on security is such a smoke screen … it’s about Apple keeping the kill switch to it self over third party properties, either of customers or digital businesses.

Not every, and hopefully not the majority, is in favor of Putin. Look, what Putin did should be fought against every fiber of our beings. It’s wrong, wrong … very wrong. But that is not what I’m calling attention to.

But Apple on going policies indeed devoid user rights over their properties. Everything is fine when all is well, but when the thing hits the fan … who has the kill switch of a user device. The owner, or some Despot like minded in his couch in some other continent? There is something to be said about American tech companies policies lately.

EU should protect their citizens against tech predatory policies … we never know what is the future … and praxis is legally binding. So establishing praxis that protect citizens, consumer, power over their properties, within the country or political region through association is the obligation of any government. No company is exempt of that.
 
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How interesting, can you perhaps still use the AppStore and not side load when apple makes the changes?

If Facebook removed their app on the store you can always login with safari or use other apps etc etc. or just vote with your money and not download apps outside the store.
The same way _you_ can buy an Android phone and let me continue to use a system that I think is safer.

BTW, I don't have a Facebook account any more.
 
True. But neither Apple or their customers have the same problem with macOS. Users, the owners of Macs, even if they are Russians are still able to fully use it. Not every, and hopefully not the majority, is in favor of Putin.

Look, what Putin did should be fought against every fiber of our beings.

The policies indeed devoid user rights over their properties. Everything is fine when all is well, but when the thing hits the fan … who has the kill switch of a user device. The owner, or some guy sitting in his couch in some other continent? There is something to be said about American tech companies policies lately.

EU should protect their citizens against tech predatory policies … we never know what is the future … and praxis is legally binding. So establishing praxis that protect citizens, consumer, power over their properties, within the country or political region through association is the obligation of any government. No company is exempt of that.
The best way to do that would be to support the development of a European mobile OS, and rebuild the European smart phone industry. But that's another story.
 
The best way to do that would be to support the development of a European mobile OS, and rebuild the European smart phone industry. But that's another story.

That is duplication of efforts, waste of resources. I still believe in people common sense, that is the most efficient way … even though it’s becoming harder and harder to believe. Tech companies are showing little common sense at many levels … heck we all are I guess. When one start to marketing policies using people fears and ignorance … something is going bzerk.
 
What is in question is not a company having control over their intelectual property. There is nothing being copied and or stollen that belong to Apple. Their intelectual property is under no threat. Even though I share the same political stance as Apple on this matter m, what happens when we don’t in cases? That is where you idea of … “buy something else after” does not stick.

Your notion of intelectual property is overreaching customers, citizens properties. Now are smartphones, later are smart cars and smart houses …. What would Apple do with their smart cars in such a situation … block the ability of filling up the gas?

“What aboutism” is a sign of intelligence … at its core is the art of making questions.

That is why Apple will be regulated.
Don’t think you understand distribution and the free market. If Costco decides to stop selling m and m’s you can buy them at target. If apple decides to stop distribution of the wsj app you can use a browser or get it on the android.

Your whataboutism is the notion the App Store should not be controlled by apple. In the same way all distribution points should be regulated or none should be regulated.
 
That is duplication of efforts, waste of resources. I still believe in people common sense, that is the most efficient way … even though it’s becoming harder and harder to believe.
That's the cost of independence. It does not come for free. But sometimes it can be very valuable.
 
Your whataboutism is the notion the App Store should not be controlled by apple

Apple can very well control the App Store. Look at macOS ... no problem. So you can see how your remark is totally off from my remark.

The thing is … realities are built through conditioning. Change the conditions, change the reality.
 
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That's the cost of independence. It does not come for free. But sometimes it can be very valuable.

Humm … independence based on distrust is not the best way to move forward. Its a win loose game. Instead is better start from shared responsibility than talk about independence … that is a win win, even if some might win more than others though effective competition where no single entity has the ultimate power to rock the boat regardless of context. Case in case … the context of users smartphones.
 
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Opinion based on your biases.
Its not bias. It’s factual
In your opinion.
100% if iPhones was designed like windows phoneOS it would be as dead even if it was more secure.
Many people don’t know how to change a tire either.
And I know not a single person who purchases a car according to the ability to change tiers or oil.
 
Having their ip regulated away from those who don’t know their ass from their elbow.
It’s not their IP to do with whatever they want. Perhaps they should argue better in courts.
But you’re using the same argument that supports why the government doesn’t need to force Apple to open up the iPhone in the first place. If consumers don’t like closed ecosystems, they have the choice now to vote with their money and not buy a closed ecosystem phone.
Indeed I am, because the argument is relevant. If people should use their money to purchase other phones( ridiculous in my mind) or different apps( more reasonable). But according to this argument there should be no problem as consumers will just vote with their wallet to keep using the AppStore
At what point is a government unnecessarily interfering with a free market?
When people vote for them to stop.
If the App Store becomes optional, more and more companies will migrate out of the App Store to avoid Apple’s cut and tight control, leaving less and less choice for customers to stay inside the garden.
Unlikely, 0.6% of android users does this. Unless the iOS AppStore is so bad that people would flee in an instant.

And consumer can always chose to stay in the store, effectively forcing developers to have apps in the store, unless you believe app customer doesn’t care about apple security
Apple went in guilty until proven innocent.
And apparently the accusers are better at arguing their guilt than apple is at dismantling their evidence
The entire ecosystem will go to hell in a hand basket. It’s not about individual choice, but about the collective of the after effects.
Why? Why can consumer vote with their money on phones but not on apps in the store? If apples system is better and consumer pay the premium for security nothing will change.

I thought you cared about the individual choices and not the collective?
 
It may be more lax but it's not the reason. It's because apps on the Android store are much more downloaded than the ones that are not there. I am not an expert but I have read that again and again.
So apple’s fear mongering is not based in reality. And nothing will change if side loading is allowed, or dare you arguing that apple’s AppStore is so draconian every developer and consumer would flee immediately?
 
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