My brother in law got new udp line through apple.com. Could not activate it (it came week early) so had apple csr talk to verizon. Verizon wants my relative to bring phone to their store but he is concerned that they will take away udp. They offered to mail him a new SIM card. Will it cause him to lose udp?
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If someone gets the sorry an error has occurred when selecting p/u in-store, does that mean that the item sold out in the time it took you to check out?
Item was available for p/u in-store but then when he went to complete order he got that message. Still showing as in-stock at istocknow.
Item was available for p/u in-store but then when he went to complete order he got that message. Still showing as in-stock at istocknow.
That's been my experience. istocknow has a delay but it should be gone within a few minutes.
But first off, the people who will buy these are the data hogs, not the low data users.
Second, if Verizon really doesn't care about new UDP lines, why not offer them to the masses?
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It was, thanks!
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I can't imagine having the guts to call the AOL department for 30 lines, lol! What if you got the same rep several times?
Not you who sold 30 lines, I know, but I could never do it myself.
How much more do data hogs actually cost them compared to those who use 500mb a month?
The reason for not still offering it is three fold. First off, why? They can force people to buy 2GB for the same exact price. Then gouge the hell out of them as soon as they go over. With increase in technology theoretically the cost to create a byte has decreased over time. So the cost to create a byte has decreased and the cost to consume is increasing. This means bigger profits for Verizon.
Secondly, Verizon told the FCC years ago that unlimited just wasn't feasible. We know thats not true. However they use this to push the FCC to allow them restrict customers and get legislation in their favor.
Thirdly, they need to setup for the future. People use minutes less and less. It's just like broadband/cable companies. They see that talk time and cable subscriptions are down. Supplying the pipe is the future for these companies. So for Verizon they need to force people to these tired plans to increase their profits.
Idk, but if it weren't an issue, they would still offer UDP and they wouldn't have pulled that throttling stunt.
That logic also applies to why they are not intentionally allowing this glitch - why? They can force people to buy 2GB for the same exact price and then gouge the hell out of them as soon as they go over.
That hasn't happened, though. The FCC shut them down on the throttling and the terms of the Block C spectrum have not changed.
Which makes my point - this is not an intentional glitch.
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I found a friend who can manufacture these UDP line so I am good. He loves me now, lol! He can't believe how smart I am to figure this out - I didn't tell him about this forum b/c I like that he thinks I am so craftyI've only done it twice
Speaking of which, I have one line available. Please PM me
I found a friend who can manufacture these UDP line so I am good. He loves me now, lol! He can't believe how smart I am to figure this out - I didn't tell him about this forum b/c I like that he thinks I am so crafty
Oops. I meant to say if ANYONE needs a line, please PM me
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There a few basic principals of contract law that you need to understand b/f you try to interpret a contract like that:
1) Adhesion contracts; and
2) Unenforceable, void or voidable as a matter of law.
Then you have to understand the UCC (unless the buyer lives in Louisiana, then I don't know anything about their laws - I won't sell to anyone in Louisiana, btw).
I haven't read past this post yet, but I really think you just spoke to reps that were incorrect. I don't even mention unlimited data. I just repeat over and over "keep the features the same. Just think your reps were wrong.
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With a new SIM card, I'd bet he would lose his unlimited data, yes
Idk, but if it weren't an issue, they would still offer UDP and they wouldn't have pulled that throttling stunt.
That logic also applies to why they are not intentionally allowing this glitch - why? They can force people to buy 2GB for the same exact price and then gouge the hell out of them as soon as they go over.
That hasn't happened, though. The FCC shut them down on the throttling and the terms of the Block C spectrum have not changed.
Which makes my point - this is not an intentional glitch.
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I found a friend who can manufacture these UDP line so I am good. He loves me now, lol! He can't believe how smart I am to figure this out - I didn't tell him about this forum b/c I like that he thinks I am so crafty
I'm not sure if it's on purpose or not, but I don't think they care either way. The throttling stunt I think again was to force folks off the no contract plans and re-up with a contract, a contract with tiered data.
All while they may enjoy forcing the tiered data, that's not going to get some customers to jump to them. This little glitch however is getting new customers that otherwise probably weren't coming to Verizon anytime soon.
Again no clue if this was intentional, I think it does however help out all parties. Even if not intentional I think they're slow to react on the fixing. I think that point is fairly obvious as someone would have had to notice something by now internally.
If he goes to Verizon in-store, they will in all likelihood take away his UDP - 99.99% chance this will happen. They are not going to help him activate a UDP line.
Getting a new sim card won't fix the issue - he needs to keep trying to activate it until the estimated arrival date gets closer. Once that date arrives, if it still won't activate, he needs to return the phone and try again, this time doing p/u in store.
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They care about this and don't want more UDP lines o/w they would just offer them.
That doesn't make sense. They were only throttling people off contract on UDP and since they have taken away UDP upgrades, the only people who can get back on contract are those who know about the slick deals thread where that wonderful woman spends so much time helping people to get a subsidized upgrade and keep their UDP
Most of the people are likely already Verizon customers who are canceling their tiered data plans - so this is a negative exchange for Verizon.
They are slow to fix this b/c it requires them to patch their interface with apple during the iPhone launch. Apple is not going to let them do that until after the holidays - I predict February.
When the MHS trick was first figured out during the holiday period, they waited until March to fix it.
no judge would UNLESS you agreed to the paypal TOS which says you will A} pay all fees win or lose and B) you agree not to sue paypal and to use ONLY binding arbitration etc etc etc
Again, please educate yourself on adhesion contracts.
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None would in an adhesion contract like that unless I suppose if your case were absolutely frivolous. And if there were such an idiot trial court judge, you would be able to get him/her smacked down on appeal.
If both parties were of fairly comparable bargaining power and were able to negotiate a contract's terms at arm's length, then yes. That's clearly not the case with paypal's TOS. Paypal's TOS is a classic adhesion contract.
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That doesn't make sense. They were only throttling people off contract on UDP and since they have taken away UDP upgrades, the only people who can get back on contract are those who know about the slick deals thread where that wonderful woman spends so much time helping people to get a subsidized upgrade and keep their UDP
Most of the people are likely already Verizon customers who are canceling their tiered data plans - so this is a negative exchange for Verizon.
They are slow to fix this b/c it requires them to patch their interface with apple during the iPhone launch. Apple is not going to let them do that until after the holidays - I predict February.
When the MHS trick was first figured out during the holiday period, they waited until March to fix it.
My thought process on the throttling was this. You make UDP lose its value. People don't care if they lose it if they're getting slow connection speeds because of it. A good portion of those on UDP tether at some point, and no will find it useful if its throttled. So in that case it would be off-contract UDPs switching over to contract tier plans. Again off contract becomes slow and loses its value. Yes there will be the percentage that find that wonderful SD thread. But by in large I think most people just go to their local kiosk. I have found that SDers and techie people in general are a rare group. Most people just do whatever the sales guy at the stores tell them.
I really don't have any clue about most taking advantage of this "glitch" being Verizon customers already. I've AOLed 3 lines so far, one was a customer, two were not. So in that case, Verizon just got two new customers that they didn't have before. The one that was a customer added another line. So all in all they're up 3 new 2 year contracts.
Your thought process for the slow fix makes perfect sense and potentially exactly the reason. Again though, who knows. We are all just speculating. At least I am as I know no one that works for Verizon let alone management/strategy for Verizon.
I agree, but all that does is make my point - Verizon doesn't want UDP lines to exist. They throttle those off contract, those people either leave or convert to tiered plans and as people go off contract, they can't upgrade so they convert to tiered plans or leave.
The point you are making argues completely against Verizon wanting there to be more on contract UDP lines, which is what this glitch creates.
Cnotes and Mark would know, lol!
I certainly don't know anyone who works for Verizon, lol!
we are not legal experts like you Jules but none the less you agreed to all these terms and conditions if you have a paypal account and you would have to litigate everything you agreed to against paypal if you ever sue them in court and I have a feeling their legal fund may be a tad deeper than yours - but maybe in addition to being a legal expert you are also a billionaire who spends all day in chat forums ?
All that does is make it even more likely that a smalls claim court judge would rule against them. Seriously, if you are not even going to bother looking up contracts of adhesion using google or any other search engine, then it is not worth me discussing this any longer with you.
Not a billionaire at all for sure! But I sure do know about adhesion contracts.
Anyhow, I think you and I may not be talking about the same situation. I am talking about the situation where you as the seller have fulfilled your contractual obligations to the buyer, have proof of that and the buyer is filing a frivolous dispute.
What are you talking about?
As best I can tell, you try but if they don't activate then you wait. If your return period is expiring, you return and try again this time p/u in-store. Seems to take 72 hours for the returns to process b/f they let you order again.
Some people have had theirs activate a couple of days b/f the estimated shipping date.
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Has anyone else tried to port in a number through Verizon's website today? I keep getting the error, "the activity you performed is currently unavailable."
I am getting these plans for myself and moving service from AT&T.
Thanks
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I am getting these plans for myself and moving service from AT&T.
Thanks
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