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I bet verizon is doing really well on the whole udp add on glitch. Clearly there must be testing done on the website so if it was not intentional then employees did not care at all.

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JulesJam said:
Let me tell you if the jig is up on this, I will be singing the blues. I finally find a friend who can get me one of these AND my local Apple store has one in stock and I text him to get on it and get me one and what happens? HE IS TOO BUSY WATCHING FOOTBALL TO READ MY TEXT AND BY THE TIME HE ORDERS IT IT IS GONE!!!!!

FML.
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Just get new friend
 
tritron said:
Just get new friend
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He was my 4th friend - the other 3 were not given the option to have iPhone Unlimited due to either any mobile plans like I have or they had individual lines and would not attempt to convert them into family plans for me.

Everyone else I know is on ATT.

My friend will get me one soon - no more football until next weekend.

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tritron said:
I bet verizon is doing really well on the whole udp add on glitch. Clearly there must be testing done on the website so if it was not intentional then employees did not care at all.
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Idk, but I do believe that someone could trip a suspicious activity flag. I just don't think this new poster who has supposedly done 8 is for real. I think he is a troll.

There is no fraud going on here. No one is hacking websites. No one is stealing.

However, as I posted a long time ago, that doesn't mean Verizon couldn't cut you loose as a customer. BUT they wouldn't be able to charge you an etf.
 
JulesJam said:
He was my 4th friend - the other 3 were not given the option to have iPhone Unlimited due to either any mobile plans like I have or they had individual lines and would not attempt to convert them into family plans for me.

Everyone else I know is on ATT.

My friend will get me one soon - no more football until next weekend.

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Idk, but I do believe that someone could trip a suspicious activity flag. I just don't think this new poster who has supposedly done 8 is for real. I think he is a troll.

There is no fraud going on here. No one is hacking websites. No one is stealing.

However, as I posted a long time ago, that doesn't mean Verizon couldn't cut you loose as a customer. BUT they wouldn't be able to charge you an etf.
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I was able to order from Apple with UDP on an individual plan but my 6 plus won't arrive for 2 more weeks so it ain't a done deal

Everybody is buying these at the vendors asking price and at the vendors asking terms and we are abiding by new 2 year contracts and the AOL's are all done according to and conducted by big red's terms so call it what they will but it isn't fraud

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JulesJam said:
Let me tell you if the jig is up on this, I will be singing the blues. I finally find a friend who can get me one of these AND my local Apple store has one in stock and I text him to get on it and get me one and what happens? HE IS TOO BUSY WATCHING FOOTBALL TO READ MY TEXT AND BY THE TIME HE ORDERS IT IT IS GONE!!!!!

FML.
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DOH!!! :eek:
 
JulesJam said:
He was my 4th friend - the other 3 were not given the option to have iPhone Unlimited due to either any mobile plans like I have or they had individual lines and would not attempt to convert them into family plans for me.

Everyone else I know is on ATT.

My friend will get me one soon - no more football until next weekend.

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Idk, but I do believe that someone could trip a suspicious activity flag. I just don't think this new poster who has supposedly done 8 is for real. I think he is a troll.

There is no fraud going on here. No one is hacking websites. No one is stealing.

However, as I posted a long time ago, that doesn't mean Verizon couldn't cut you loose as a customer. BUT they wouldn't be able to charge you an etf.
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I highly doubt that the poster was making the fraud information up.

I have experience with this: I have dealt with unlimited data lines and assumption of liabilities for 3 years now. When I first started, I was tripping flags left and right! I had to deal with the fraud department over and over again. It got to a point that like the other poster, I was not allowed to add any lines to my account until I had 6 months of good payment history.

In my experience, they won't cancel your account, or any lines, just not allow you to add more.

I also have another buddy in the UDP business that went through the same thing. My advice? If you want to continue, you'll need to use another account with yourself as an account manager. If you're not willing to do that, it's most likely game over for you. There is nothing you can do or say that will change Verizon's mind. If you want to add a line to your account, they will want you to go to a corporate Verizon store and do it there.

Good luck guys!!
 
markyr17 said:
I highly doubt that the poster was making the fraud information up.

I have experience with this: I have dealt with unlimited data lines and assumption of liabilities for 3 years now. When I first started, I was tripping flags left and right! I had to deal with the fraud department over and over again. It got to a point that like the other poster, I was not allowed to add any lines to my account until I had 6 months of good payment history.

In my experience, they won't cancel your account, or any lines, just not allow you to add more.

I also have another buddy in the UDP business that went through the same thing. My advice? If you want to continue, you'll need to use another account with yourself as an account manager. If you're not willing to do that, it's most likely game over for you. There is nothing you can do or say that will change Verizon's mind. If you want to add a line to your account, they will want you to go to a corporate Verizon store and do it there.

Good luck guys!!
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I agree the gent sounded legit and who knows how much people are babbling during an AOL they could easily say something that could trigger an over zealous V CSR to go on a witch hunt. I met a buyer on an iPhone 6 at V store for verification and had one of "those" Sh!p-head reps

If doing an AOL treat it like a traffic stop, be nice, be brief and remember anything you say.....well you know the rest :)
 
apple.com allowing me to add new iPhone to Verizon account with unlimited

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markyr17 said:
I highly doubt that the poster was making the fraud information up.

I have experience with this: I have dealt with unlimited data lines and assumption of liabilities for 3 years now. When I first started, I was tripping flags left and right! I had to deal with the fraud department over and over again. It got to a point that like the other poster, I was not allowed to add any lines to my account until I had 6 months of good payment history.
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What is the magic number in one account? For me I need to get to 5, is 5 too many?
 
markyr17 said:
I honestly have no idea.
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Okay, well I will let you know as I need 5 christmas presents, lol! They are all on ATT but the Verizon iPhone should work the same on ATT as Verizon.

It's not my account so I really need not to get Verizon to be all freaked out about it. And they need to be before christmas.
 
JulesJam said:
Okay, well I will let you know as I need 5 christmas presents, lol! They are all on ATT but the Verizon iPhone should work the same on ATT as Verizon.
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I'm betting you will be fine with 5. I am surprised to read the other poster was flagged at 8- that seems too soon.

But yes the Verizon iPhones will for sure work with ATT!
 
markyr17 said:
I'm betting you will be fine with 5. I am surprised to read the other poster was flagged at 8- that seems too soon.

But yes the Verizon iPhones will for sure work with ATT!
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TY!! Here is hoping that 5 in 2.5 months is still under the radar!!!!
 
markyr17 said:
My advice? If you want to continue, you'll need to use another account with yourself as an account manager. If you're not willing to do that, it's most likely game over for you.
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What do you mean use another account with yourself as an account manager? So you purchase phones using their account? Would VZ just restrict the account holder anyways?
 
mso4 said:
What do you mean use another account with yourself as an account manager? So you purchase phones using their account? Would VZ just restrict the account holder anyways?
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Maybe! But it's not a sure thing- we have no tangible limit. It just happens when the right eyes at VZW see your account and choose to do something about it.

I'm not saying you'll be good to go forever, but might allow you a temporary alternative.
 
JulesJam said:
While you are 100% correct that converting a judgment into cash is an altogether different matter, it is not correct to say a judgment doesn't mean anything.

Yes, you have to know how to enforce a judgment, but that is a far cry from a judgment not meaning anything.

First off, not if you learn how to enforce a judgment yourself. Attorneys are not magical beings with ESP or other supernatural powers. They are just people who have taken the time to learn the law. Many of them are complete dumba$$es, btw so if they can do it, so can the people who can figure out how to create Verizon UDP line factories.

And a forensic accountant is not needed unless someone is trying to hide money and they are good at it. If someone has an individual bank account, you levy it. If their child support payments, SS, SSI or RR retirement benefits, etc. are deposited into that account then it is more complicated.

If you have judgments against shell corporations, and it sounds like you may, yeah, you need forensic accountants.

I thought we were talking about individuals selling iPhones on ebay to individuals, not business contracts b/t LLC's?

The situation I was talking about, the iPhone seller IS the plaintiff.

We weren't talking about suing Verizon. At least that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about selling an iPhone and having a buyer dispute the charge with paypal.

Also, do you have any experience in small claims court? Smalls claims court is a different ball game altogether wrt what the judges let pro se plaintiffs get away with. And the judges will completely ignore the formal rules of procedure/evidence b/c they can. No one spends the money to appeal a small claims court judgment of $500.

BTW - family court judges completely ignore the formal rules of procedure/evidence by and large too. If you have ever been through a contested divorce or child custody/support case you already know that. They freakin do what they want without much if any regard for the rules of procedure/evidence. It is the rare person who appeals family court orders and the family court judges know that so they disrespect the law and the rules of procedure/evidence on a regular basis b/c they can.

Sounds like you have much larger judgments than would qualify for small claims court and that you have them against businesses who engage in money hiding tactics.

If you think paypal is going to spend $25-50k to defend itself in a small claims action where the damages claimed are $500, you have never been to small claims court nor have you ever sued a major corporation for a small sum.
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You missed my main point - I wrote it in my OP - "in the scope of this thread" is what I wrote. IMO, the rest of your reply went off on a tangent with that omission.

You, yourself should read up on trying to collect on a small claims judgment - yes, my judgments are much larger and I have payment schedules stipulated by the court. However, the mechanism for collecting remains the same for a $250 or $250k judgment - setting up a bank levy, wage garnishment, or a real estate lien - all executed through a court, and two attorneys - isn't cheap. I've learned that lesson. The cost of filing a complaint isn't cheap, regardless of what one feels they're owed.

The iPhone seller is the plaintiff? Then the burden of the costs and proof is on the plaintiff. Find an attorney willing to defend that complaint. In what State, and District? Put down a $20k retainer with an attorney willing to take that complaint. Get a judge to evaluate and accept that complaint. There's no way any attorney would take that complaint IMO. There's no class action to be taken - there's no way any attorney would take that complaint IMO.

In the context of ULD and VZW, the carrier has made their position clear via their TOS. All that other stuff you mentioned in your post is irrelevant to me as it's not relevant to this thread and off-topic. I'm seeing posts about "suing" VZW about this - what a sad, whiny joke! There's no cost impact, there's no degradation of service, there's plenty of cost-equivalent alternatives. There's no mechanism to take VZW to small-claims court. There's no mechanism to take them to State District court - they're not classified as utilities (yet).

I have gone up against PayPal and won. Twice. I have gone up against major companies and won. I have represented two states in major claims by contractors and won. I have settled 6 personal complaints in my favor and collected every single dime in each one of them. I've never lost a position - personally or for one of my clients. Ever. I know how to pick my battles, and win. VZW ULD plans - not worth it, the time or the reward. The other stuff, not in this thread... Cheers.
 
markyr17 said:
You should be fine. Cnotes and I have long surpassed 5, haha!
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Don't forget about me! Lol. Yeah I'm curious to everyone's number. I'm at the point where the apple store knows my name. Luckily I have 2 that are fairly close so I try to switch every now and then.
 
campyguy said:
You missed my main point - I wrote it in my OP - "in the scope of this thread" is what I wrote. IMO, the rest of your reply went off on a tangent with that omission.

You, yourself should read up on trying to collect on a small claims judgment - yes, my judgments are much larger and I have payment schedules stipulated by the court. However, the mechanism for collecting remains the same for a $250 or $250k judgment - setting up a bank levy, wage garnishment, or a real estate lien - all executed through a court, and two attorneys - isn't cheap. I've learned that lesson. The cost of filing a complaint isn't cheap, regardless of what one feels they're owed.
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And you missed my main point - you don't hire two attorneys to do it. If anyone is going off on a tangent it is you. You are talking about hiring two attorneys and spending $50k on a lawsuit and I am talking about a small claims case in which you represent yourself and in which the damages are $500 due to an iPhone sale b/t individuals. You are talking about complex business litigation involving asset hiding.

The cost of filing complaints in small claims court is cheap compared to a regular court. If it weren't, no one would file a small claims case and believe me they do. And they don't hire two attorneys to do it.

campyguy said:
The iPhone seller is the plaintiff? Then the burden of the costs and proof is on the plaintiff. Find an attorney willing to defend that complaint. In what State, and District? Put down a $20k retainer with an attorney willing to take that complaint.
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Again, you are missing my point - you don't need an attorney. If every time someone filed a small claims court case they had to put down a $20k retainer, no one would file small claims cases. But they do. Small claims court is a busy place - go spend the day in one, our courts are open to the public so you could do that one day if you wanted to. Small claims courts are filled with people representing themselves - none of whom have spent $20k to retain an attorney.

You really are going off on a tangent here.

campyguy said:
Get a judge to evaluate and accept that complaint.
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That's not how court works. Judges don't evaluate and accept complaints. Anyone can file a complaint for anything and it is up to the defendant to file a motion to dismiss if appropriate. And if not, discovery proceeds. Judges don't sua sponte dismiss cases.

On that note, I am done discussing this with you as you don't even understand that basic point.

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ajsimeon said:
Yeah I'm curious to everyone's number.
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My number is ZERO :mad:
 
tritron said:
Did anyone tried to double dip? When you order iphone 6 and activate in store then go home and cancel that will make line egible for an upgrade. So if we upgrade line and then cancel apple return we can have two phones
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I had to return a phone bc of a defect. When they were going through the exchange process the "unlimited data" feature was nowhere to be seen so I didn't go through with it and instead just retuned it. That line I return is still in my account after two days but it says eligible for upgrade. When does this come off my account?
 
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