apple.com allowing me to add new iPhone to Verizon account with unlimited

[mso4]

Yes.

Your account can be put on a 6 month hold which means you can't add any lines during that time. I have been put on this hold in the past. They wanted 6 months of good pay history. They say there is no way around this. There is, if you know how to communicate, and are persistent.

You should be able to do as many AOLs as you'd like. I don't think that causes problems.

Are you currently having these problems?

Got it, so if they restrict your account for whatever reason, it will only prevent you from adding lines, not AOL them. I'm asking because I'm afraid of being in a situation where I have UDP lines on my account and I can't unload them because my account is restricted. Luckily I don't have any of these problems. With regard to the 6 months payments, I've been a VZ customer for over 5 years and have never been late with payments so guessing that will be a plus for me.

 

[amtrak23]

Verizon has different codes for a UDP line with a 3G device on it and a UDP line with a 4G LTE device on it. This is b/c if you have a 3G device on a UDP line, Verizon can throttle you if you are in the top 5% of UDP users. They do that by attaching another code to your line for the rest of the billing cycle through the next billing cycle.

They threatened to do that to UDP lines with 4G LTE phones on them starting 10/1/14 but the FCC put a stop to it.

But what you did when you put the 3G device on your line was to actually change the UDP line code. That is what was causing the problem with apple.

I hope it doesn't cause problems with activation.

The Iphone 6 activated fine at the store.

Verizon won't put dummy ESNs on lines anymore AFAIK and you need to be very careful with any dummy ESNs you find online as most are for basic lines and will cause you to lose UDP.

You can go back to the 4G UDP by putting another 4G LTE phone back on the line.

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Awesome!!!! Thanks for reporting back!!!!

The older phone I used was a Razr Maxx, so that was 4G. I have some old Incredibles that I thought I could use, since I thought you kept plan the same as long as it was a 3g/4g device?

 

[markyr17]

Got it, so if they restrict your account for whatever reason, it will only prevent you from adding lines, not AOL them. I'm asking because I'm afraid of being in a situation where I have UDP lines on my account and I can't unload them because my account is restricted. Luckily I don't have any of these problems. With regard to the 6 months payments, I've been a VZ customer for over 5 years and have never been late with payments so guessing that will be a plus for me.

Correct. I was a Verizon customer for years also, but depending on how much volume you do with this kind of stuff, this can still become a problem. I realize most people don't go as big as I do.

 

[ajsimeon]

Yes.

Your account can be put on a 6 month hold which means you can't add any lines during that time. I have been put on this hold in the past. They wanted 6 months of good pay history. They say there is no way around this. There is, if you know how to communicate, and are persistent.

You should be able to do as many AOLs as you'd like. I don't think that causes problems.

Again, get the word flagged out of your head. That's a word other people in this thread made up. It either gets reviewed for fraud, and put on a hold, or the credit department stops you because they aren't sure that you have decent enough credit to add lines or can't verify you.

You need to find out which one causes the problem and talk to them.

Are you currently having these problems?

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What I do is take the sim out of the new phone and put it in my personal iPhone. That way, on the new line it had MY iPhone not the old iPhone. Then, I put my SIM card back. Effectively your phone is on 2 lines, but that doesn't matter, what matters is what SIM card is where.

I know way too much about this s41t

I've had suspicions that you could do this trick and not lose unlimited. Does it matter if you have your phone tied to more than 2 lines?

 

[markyr17]

I've had suspicions that you could do this trick and not lose unlimited. Does it matter if you have your phone tied to more than 2 lines?

No, it really doesn't

Just remember that Verizon is like ATT or tmobile/ gsm carriers now- you can simply take the SIM card out and out it where you like. Doing so also places that device on my Verizon, etc and effectively can be "associated" with both lines. It's not active on both lines- the SIM card dictates what line the phone is active on.

 

[JulesJam]

I thought you kept plan the same as long as it was a 3g/4g device?

You do but Verizon has 2 different codes for a UDP line depending on whether you have a 3G or a 4G LTE device on the line. You get incompatible plan error messages when you try to switch b/t 3G and LTE devices on a UDP line. However, you can do it without losing UDP, you just may have to involve a rep.

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What I do is take the sim out of the new phone and put it in my personal iPhone. That way, on the new line it had MY iPhone not the old iPhone. Then, I put my SIM card back. Effectively your phone is on 2 lines, but that doesn't matter, what matters is what SIM card is where.

So first you activate the new iPhone on the new UDP line. Then you put the new iPhone's SIM card in another phone that is on one of your other lines to free up the new iPhone to be sold. Then you put your SIM card back in the other phone and AOL the new UDP line. The new UDP line will show your other phone on it, but that causes no problems with your other line or the AOLed line?


The reason I am so surprised by this is b/c I have really screwed up my lines b/f playing games with SIM cards. I have gotten errors that blocked my lines and had texts/calls going to the wrong phones b/c even though I did SIM card switches, the system couldn't process the switches as quickly as I did them. In the end, the typical way the tier 2 tech had me fix the problem was to put the phones back on the lines they were originally on. If you have already sold the new iPhone and AOL'ed the new UDP line, you wouldn't be able to do that.

Anyhow, glad it works for you but I am going to just stick an old 4G LTE phone I have on the line b/f AOL'ing it b/c I don't want to risk a problem.

 

[JulesJam]

Wow - Nexus 6 only $49 on contract at ATT

I wonder how much internal storage? I am guessing only 16GB for that price.

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From what I could tell last night, the iPhone 6 refresh seemed to be from about 2:30am to 3am Eastern Time. On another thread they talk about the 11:10 refresh, which would be 2:10am Eastern Time, so I think that is the the time frame to try to grab a phone for in-store p/u. Sucks if you are on Eastern time, though.

 

[ssl0408]

I wonder how much internal storage? I am guessing only 16GB for that price.

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From what I could tell last night, the iPhone 6 refresh seemed to be from about 2:30am to 3am Eastern Time. On another thread they talk about the 11:10 refresh, which would be 2:10am Eastern Time, so I think that is the the time frame to try to grab a phone for in-store p/u. Sucks if you are on Eastern time, though.

Yes, it is 3:00 a.m. ET. I was up at that time hoping that a 64GB SG would be available but all they had were 16GB which is useless to me at this point.

 

[JulesJam]

Yes, it is 3:00 a.m. ET. I was up at that time hoping that a 64GB SG would be available but all they had were 16GB which is useless to me at this point.

Yeah, gonna be a lot of late nights for me in the near future, lol!

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Just remember that Verizon is like ATT or tmobile/ gsm carriers now- you can simply take the SIM card out and out it where you like.

Kind of but Verizon is not a pure GSM network, it is a hybrid CDMA/LTE network and that makes SIM card switching not as seamless as it is on a pure GSM network.

I am speaking from experience here having created some errors in the system that were baffling to tier 2 tech. But like I said, ultimately they were able to correct the problems I created by having me put the phones back where they were to begin with. One time I think they had to actually report a SIM card as stolen to get it out of their system. I had to trash that SIM card obviously.

I know you are speaking from experience too and you have had far more experience than I have had with AOL'ing lines, but I can tell you that Verizon's system does not like you associating 1 phone with 2 lines simultaneously nor does it like you to do SIM card switches too quickly. I would worry about causing problems for the buyer of the line, although in my very limited AOL experience, a pending activation was cleared by doing the AOL. YMMV.

If someone were going to do a large volume of these AOLs, I would just buy a Moto X with a clean ESN and a cracked screen that still works - you should be able to get one of those for a relatively small sum and use that to get the new iPhone off of the new UDP line to sell. I can attest that the switches b/t the iPhones and a Moto X are fairly error free vs. trying to use a SIM card adapter in an older phone having a micro SIM card.

 

[markyr17]

Yeah, gonna be a lot of late nights for me in the near future, lol!

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Kind of but Verizon is not a pure GSM network, it is a hybrid CDMA/LTE network and that makes SIM card switching not as seamless as it is on a pure GSM network.



I am speaking from experience here having created some errors in the system that were baffling to tier 2 tech. But like I said, ultimately they were able to correct the problems I created by having me put the phones back where they were to begin with. One time I think they had to actually report a SIM card as stolen to get it out of their system. I had to trash that SIM card obviously.



I know you are speaking from experience too and you have had far more experience than I have had with AOL'ing lines, but I can tell you that Verizon's system does not like you associating 1 phone with 2 lines simultaneously nor does it like you to do SIM card switches too quickly. I would worry about causing problems for the buyer of the line, although in my very limited AOL experience, a pending activation was cleared by doing the AOL. YMMV.



If someone were going to do a large volume of these AOLs, I would just buy a Moto X with a clean ESN and a cracked screen that still works - you should be able to get one of those for a relatively small sum and use that to get the new iPhone off of the new UDP line to sell. I can attest that the switches b/t the iPhones and a Moto X are fairly error free vs. trying to use a SIM card adapter in an older phone having a micro SIM card.

Advise others as you will. I know that Verizon has done system upgrades through their LTE lifetime. Things have definitely changed and improved. It used to be that you could put your sim wherever, but the online system would always show the phone that you originally activated. Now it shows whatever phone you last had on the line. Everything goes by SIM card, and it's cool- just do what works for you.

 

[medlee]

You do but Verizon has 2 different codes for a UDP line depending on whether you have a 3G or a 4G LTE device on the line. You get incompatible plan error messages when you try to switch b/t 3G and LTE devices on a UDP line. However, you can do it without losing UDP, you just may have to involve a rep.

Which number do you call to switch to 4g? Heard of anyone going to the store doing this?

 

[markyr17]

Which number do you call to switch to 4g? Heard of anyone going to the store doing this?

You don't usually have to call to switch... When activating a 4g device, the system SHOULD give you the choice to select unlimited 4g lte

JulesJam sounds like she has had to call about this issue before, so maybe she can explain in what situation this would happen and exactly who to call. I have done this process countless times and have never had a problem. If this happens, it is by definition a glitch in the system.

 

[tottenj]

I wonder how much internal storage? I am guessing only 16GB for that price.

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From what I could tell last night, the iPhone 6 refresh seemed to be from about 2:30am to 3am Eastern Time. On another thread they talk about the 11:10 refresh, which would be 2:10am Eastern Time, so I think that is the the time frame to try to grab a phone for in-store p/u. Sucks if you are on Eastern time, though.

Yes, it does suck to be eastern time! I can confirm that ~2am EST is usually a refresh time, as is between 12 noon and 2pm eastern time. There is quite a bit of randomness mixed in as well and I gave up trying to find a reliable pattern.

 

[JulesJam]

Which number do you call to switch to 4g? Heard of anyone going to the store doing this?

611 can do it fine. Avoid stores at all costs. But you have to have a 4G LTE IMEI for them to do it.

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You don't usually have to call to switch... When activating a 4g device, the system SHOULD give you the choice to select unlimited 4g lte

JulesJam sounds like she has had to call about this issue before, so maybe she can explain in what situation this would happen and exactly who to call. I have done this process countless times and have never had a problem. If this happens, it is by definition a glitch in the system.

I don't currently have a 3G phone to test it out, but when I did, I definitely got that error switching b/t an iP4 and a 4G LTE device. Others on the SD thread are reporting it still occurs.

You don't get the option to pick the UDP but IIRC you can just not pick a plan and hit next/continue despite the warning, but it has been a long time since I have played around with 3G phones.

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Yes, it does suck to be eastern time! I can confirm that ~2am EST is usually a refresh time, as is between 12 noon and 2pm eastern time. There is quite a bit of randomness mixed in as well and I gave up trying to find a reliable pattern.

I can confirm seeing a refresh yesterday close to 2pm Eastern time also. So it looks like it is a twice a day thing - 2pm and 2am Eastern time.

 

[JulesJam]

Advise others as you will. I know that Verizon has done system upgrades through their LTE lifetime. Things have definitely changed and improved. It used to be that you could put your sim wherever, but the online system would always show the phone that you originally activated. Now it shows whatever phone you last had on the line. Everything goes by SIM card, and it's cool- just do what works for you.

I am glad you haven't run into any problems but that doesn't mean someone else won't. I confirmed with tech support that associating a phone with 2 lines can cause system errors. Verizon's system still being a CDMA system for routing calls isn't set up to route calls from 2 different lines to the same phone unless you do call forwarding. And even then, you won't get your texts forwarded.

For the price of a Moto X, it is just not worth it to me since when you are done with the Moto X you can turn around and sell it and recoup much of your cost. There is one on ebay for $90 right now with a cracked screen, clean esn and fully functional.

Obviously I am more risk adverse than you, but my guess is that more people are like me than like you, lol! That's not an insult, I am just pointing out that you are willing to take risks that I believe most people would not be comfortable taking.

 

[gowings23]

Any advice to get an iPhone activated that was shipped to home early? Should I go to the store and ask them to activate it? If anyone has done this, can you tell me what lingo to use so I can explain it to the store employee....thanks for the help

 

[markyr17]

I am glad you haven't run into any problems but that doesn't mean someone else won't. I confirmed with tech support that associating a phone with 2 lines can cause system errors. Verizon's system still being a CDMA system for routing calls isn't set up to route calls from 2 different lines to the same phone unless you do call forwarding. And even then, you won't get your texts forwarded.

For the price of a Moto X, it is just not worth it to me since when you are done with the Moto X you can turn around and sell it and recoup much of your cost. There is one on ebay for $90 right now with a cracked screen, clean esn and fully functional.

Obviously I am more risk adverse than you, but my guess is that more people are like me than like you, lol! That's not an insult, I am just pointing out that you are willing to take risks that I believe most people would not be comfortable taking.

And I have no problem admitting that!!

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Any advice to get an iPhone activated that was shipped to home early? Should I go to the store and ask them to activate it? If anyone has done this, can you tell me what lingo to use so I can explain it to the store employee....thanks for the help

How early is early?

 

[gowings23]

And I have no problem admitting that!!

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How early is early?

6 days early. The original date was the 20th. I'm trying to get one more line for my family and there's one in stock locally but I can't get it because this line won't activate....

 

[tottenj]

Is there a limit of 10 iPhone 6/6+ orders? How long would someone at 10 orders have to wait before they can order more?

 

[markyr17]

6 days early. The original date was the 20th. I'm trying to get one more line for my family and there's one in stock locally but I can't get it because this line won't activate....

Well, it should activate very soon. That's the problem with doing ship to home in afraid...

Some have had success going to an Apple Store- just don't call Verizon!!

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Is there a limit of 10 iPhone 6/6+ orders? How long would someone at 10 orders have to wait before they can order more?

Are you asking about the online system? If so, it's not based on a time cycle. It's a lifetime limit. Sometimes these limits get raised as time goes on.

Just try buying in the store without in store pickup

 

[gowings23]

Well, it should activate very soon. That's the problem with doing ship to home in afraid...

Some have had success going to an Apple Store- just don't call Verizon!!

I learned a lesson dealing with Verizon....lost a UDP on a line because of those dingbats. They motivated me to help get UDP's in as many people's hands as possible because of it

 

[markyr17]

I learned a lesson dealing with Verizon....lost a UDP on a line because of those dingbats. They motivated me to help get UDP's in as many people's hands as possible because of it

Thatta boy!!!

 

[medlee]

611 can do it fine. Avoid stores at all costs. But you have to have a 4G LTE IMEI for them to do it.

You don't usually have to call to switch... When activating a 4g device, the system SHOULD give you the choice to select unlimited 4g lte

JulesJam sounds like she has had to call about this issue before, so maybe she can explain in what situation this would happen and exactly who to call. I have done this process countless times and have never had a problem. If this happens, it is by definition a glitch in the system.

If you need a SIM card, can they send you one?

 

[tottenj]

Well, it should activate very soon. That's the problem with doing ship to home in afraid...

Some have had success going to an Apple Store- just don't call Verizon!!

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Are you asking about the online system? If so, it's not based on a time cycle. It's a lifetime limit. Sometimes these limits get raised as time goes on.

Just try buying in the store without in store pickup

Oh crap! Didn't realize it was a lifetime limit... That must be per product, right? I'd be way over that by now.

 

[JulesJam]

Are you asking about the online system? If so, it's not based on a time cycle. It's a lifetime limit. Sometimes these limits get raised as time goes on.

What?!?!!?!?!? A lifetime limit? I thought you were just limited until the next iPhone is released? Does the limit apply to all models of iPhones or just the latest model?