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ArtOfWarfare

macrumors G3
Nov 26, 2007
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You want stigma? what about the mental health awareness band?

Yep. That's a problem too. There's a lot of problems out there. Trying to fix one doesn't mean you're belittling another. If you think a mental health awareness band is more important, why not you go and make one? Design a watch band, find a factory to make it, raise some funds to get it made, distribute it. Not all that hard. Takes a couple weeks to go from "I have no idea to do any of this" to "Done", if you want to focus on it.
 

5105973

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Sep 11, 2014
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No thank you. I'm fighting for equality here!
Do we need to raise funds for straight people who are being persecuted for being straight? As far as I know people don't need support groups or legal aid for being straight. For other things (which many worthy charites support), yes, but just based on sexual orientation or gender identity, no not really. This band is helping raise funds because there is a need. When we stop bullying people for their gender identity and/or homosexuality then we won't need to raise money for them. Simple enough.
 

Sefstah

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Dec 21, 2015
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If you truly care about equality, saying "just trying to be equal buddy", then maybe instead of standing up for straight people having the right to have their own watch band, you should first stand up for gay people to have the same basic rights as straight people, and you know, the right to not get murdered because of who they love.

How about we solve that "trying to be equal" problem first? I think it might be a bit more important.
All I'm saying is that Apple would be in a lot of trouble if they made a "straight" watch band right? Well it's funny to me how it doesn't work both ways in this case. That's all.
 
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Rogifan

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Nov 14, 2011
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What's so special about LGBT? they going to start selling a pink band and give proceeds to breast cancer charities? And a green band for environmental charities?
 

JosephAW

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May 14, 2012
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Is there a pink band for cancer support, red for product red, black blue black for law enforcement support, blue & pink for pro life, white for christians, green for muslims, and b&w for traditional family support?
I guess there is a huge market for various band colors. Someone should capitalize on it.
 

RichTF

macrumors regular
Nov 11, 2007
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[I'm not in the LGBTQ community so please do tell me if I'm wrong or need to fix any nuance.]
I was actually surprised to read that last bit, because you nailed it. I can’t speak for everyone in every ‘minority’ group, but personally I think you got it exactly right.

Especially that first paragraph – The sort of prejudice we’re talking about here isn’t about individuals, it’s about power. Yes, individuals can be a part of the problem, but the root of the problem is a system-wide and significant imbalance of power.

Which is exactly why there’s no need for straight pride marches, or white pride, cis pride, etc.

Yes, be proud of who you are as an individual, absolutely. But recognise when you’re in one of the groups that currently has all the power, and (if you want to be part of the solution) take responsibility for it, and be unafraid to fight for change.

Much respect to you for doing so. Thanks!
 

bodonnell202

macrumors 68030
Jan 5, 2016
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A watch band that supports gay and lesbian communities? Where's the watch band that applauds the straight people? It's got to work both ways or else it's sexist. Funny how that works huh?
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mrj412

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Arg, first post already reminds us why this is so important. For example, the Trevor Project has had a significant increase in calls after the election. This is welcome news and I'll continue to wear mine with pride. Visibility is important.

If having a "straight" watch band isn't ok, then neither is having a "gay" watch band.

You're argument is as asinine as complaining that there isn't a non-pink item being sold to support people without breast cancer.
 

Sefstah

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Dec 21, 2015
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Do we need to raise funds for straight people who are being persecuted for being straight? As far as I know people don't need support groups or legal aid for being straight. For other things (which many worthy charites support), yes, but just based on sexual orientation or gender identity, no not really. This band is helping raise funds because there is a need. When we stop bullying people for their gender identity and/or homosexuality then we won't need to raise money for them. Simple enough.
Rewarding one group and not the other isn't how equality works.
 

JRobinsonJr

macrumors 6502a
Aug 20, 2015
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Arlington, Texas
Almost any political issue is nuanced, but for me, if you don't support LGBTQ rights you are wrong, period. Like, this shouldn't even be a political issue. Mind your own business and don't worry about who people love or how people choose to express themselves. Go enjoy life some, and then go work to fix some real issues.

I fully agree with the notion of "mind your own business" and as such DO support people with non-traditional (statically outlier) lives. Whether through decency, morality, shared life experiences or just common survival we (the human race) should focus on being the best we can be - whatever that is - and let others do the same.

HOWEVER, what I cannot and will not support are militant activists trying to force others into their way of thinking. Yes, this includes some of the LGBT groups, but would also cover many other politically and socially charged topics.

The trick - and one that I certainly don't have an answer for - is how to protect the needs of the individual while protecting the needs of everyone. Yeah... that seems redundant. It's not. To the topic at hand, "how do we protect the rights of LGBT individuals while not trampling on everyone else's rights". It's a difficult task. History has shown us that forcing the issue may jumpstart the conversation, but only through organic change - and time - will this be fully resolved.

In the meantime, the golden rule should be a guiding principle. EVERYONE - male/female, black/white, young/old, tall/short, fat/thin... and yes, heterosexual/homosexual/transexual - has the right to be treated with courtesy and respect.
 
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earthTOmitchel

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Mar 6, 2015
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You're right and I agree. The point I'm making is that, if there was a watch band that was to only support straight people, the LBGT would go nuts and file lawsuits! It's got to work both ways right? "People like me"?? I'm just trying to be equal here buddy.
Our point is that why would there need to be a straight pride band? Straight people can kiss on TV without an Entertainment Weekly article boasting the moment's cultural importance in a two-week tweet storm. Straight people can go on dates without a tinge of worry about who they're flirting with. Straight people are fine when it comes to the way society views their sexuality. LGBT people are not.

And no, we would not file lawsuits if Apple made a Straight Pride band. We'd give a Liz Lemon eye roll and move along.
 

chriscrk

macrumors 6502a
Nov 14, 2011
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All I'm saying is that Apple would be in a lot of trouble if they made a "straight" watch band right? Well it's funny to me how it doesn't work both ways in this case. That's all.

It wouldn't make sense, because there is no real need to have a "straight pride" band.

LGBTQ pride exists because people from this community DON'T have the same rights as straight people. They are even murdered for being gay. So "pride" was created here to help gain visibilty, inform and help foundations that help marginalised people from the community.

It's really simple. What's so hard to understand?
 

5105973

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Rewarding one group and not the other isn't how equality works.
Jumping Jehosephat! We aren't awarding gold stars here to people for being gay or transgender. Apple is raising funds to help offset the costs they incur in courts and for therapies and support groups and services we as straight people don't need because nobody gives a rats hiney that we are straight.

As for the person who referenced mental illness, I'm sure if Tim Cook had mental illness in his family or personal experience he would raise funds for that. I myself spend a lot of time involved in pediatric cancer causes because my cousin died of it and I know other friends affected by this horrid disease. If I were CEO of anything I would probably make something to raise funds for my pet cause.

Tim Cook is gay. He knows the struggle of what his orientation entails. So he's going to raise awareness and funds for causes that support the community he is a part of. If people don't like it they don't have to buy it or the employees who don't like it can go work for CEOs that reflect their values more.
 
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Sefstah

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Dec 21, 2015
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Arg, first post already reminds us why this is so important. For example, the Trevor Project has had a significant increase in calls after the election. This is welcome news and I'll continue to wear mine with pride. Visibility is important.



You're argument is as asinine as complaining that there isn't a non-pink item being sold to support people without breast cancer.
You're comparing a medical condition to a sexual preference? This debates over.
 
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