Apple Confirms Sales of Apple Watch Pride Edition Band Will Support LGBTQ Groups

[Mlrollin91]

As you well know it started primarily in the gay community and yes has since spread to other groups to some degree. My original point stands of course.

That may be so, but your conclusion still does not follow your premise. Straight people get AIDS, therefore, it is not just related to gay lifestyle. Its also not a "lifestyle", its a culture because its not a choice.

 

[BaldiMac]

You're right and I agree. The point I'm making is that, if there was a watch band that was to only support straight people, the LBGT would go nuts and file lawsuits! It's got to work both ways right? "People like me"?? I'm just trying to be equal here buddy.

You're not trying to be equal with your argument. You're trying to keep the status quo. Why do you think we should advocate for equal rights for straight people? Are they being denied their rights because they are straight?

"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

 

[5105973]

You're comparing a medical condition to a sexual preference? This debates over.

I see the problem. You think sexual preference is actually a choice. I would imagine it's true that people can choose to experiment. But it's now 2017 and even an old fart like myself who is stuck on 1970's cultural references (explains why I will always think of Mork and Mindy first when I see this band) has enough awareness to know that the vast majority of people who identify as homosexual feel it's an inherent trait and not something they chose. Because really, who would choose something that would cause them so much heartache and trouble and even danger, depending on where they are from?

 

[Sefstah]

Our point is that why would there need to be a straight pride band? Straight people can kiss on TV without an Entertainment Weekly article boasting the moment's cultural importance in a two-week tweet storm. Straight people can go on dates without a tinge of worry about who they're flirting with. Straight people are fine when it comes to the way society views their sexuality. LGBT people are not.

And no, we would not file lawsuits if Apple made a Straight Pride band. We'd give a Liz Lemon eye roll and move along.

It wouldn't make sense, because there is no real need to have a "straight pride" band.

LGBTQ pride exists because people from this community DON'T have the same rights as straight people. They are even murdered for being gay. So "pride" was created here to help gain visibilty, inform and help foundations that help marginalised people from the community.

It's really simple. What's so hard to understand?

I already understand why pride exists. You don't need to explain. If you still don't understand my point, then you never will.

It wouldn't make sense, because there is no real need to have a "straight pride" band.

LGBTQ pride exists because people from this community DON'T have the same rights as straight people. They are even murdered for being gay. So "pride" was created here to help gain visibilty, inform and help foundations that help marginalised people from the community.

It's really simple. What's so hard to understand?

I already understand why pride exists. You don't need to explain. If you still don't understand my point, then you never will.

 

[guzhogi]

Steve didn't take sides because he didn't donate at all.

How do you know he didn't? You can donate to charities without taking credit for it.

 

[Sefstah]

Preference???

Unbelievable.

Please explain.

 

[Rocco83]

Almost any political issue is nuanced, but for me, if you don't support LGBTQ rights you are wrong, period. Like, this shouldn't even be a political issue. Mind your own business and don't worry about who people love or how people choose to express themselves. Go enjoy life some, and then go work to fix some real issues.

But doesn't "mind your own business" go directly against their message of equality? At least with where I live, the gay community seems to go out of their way to throw their gay pride in everyone's face.

Most people here may not be accepting, but they don't go out of their way to show it. They hide it in public and then quietly bash you at their prayer groups.

It is hard to just sit back and swallow them getting in your face about being a bigot when you walk past their rallies without cheering.

I could care less if a person wanted to sleep with someone of the same sex, opposite sex, a llama, or a cantaloupe. Just be an adult about it and don't feel the need to throw it in my face.

Being overtly aggressive is only going to make a group of people who have a sour taste in their mouth, even more at ease with you. The whole you are with us, or against us vibe the movement exudes is not going to win them much backing in the straight community who could truly care less what they do.

 

[cogitodexter]

I see the problem. You think sexual preference is actually a choice. I would imagine it's true that people can choose to experiment. But it's now 2017 and even an old fart like myself who is stuck on 1970's cultural references (explains why I will always think of Mork and Mindy first when I see this band) has enough awareness to know that the vast majority of people who identify as homosexual feel it's an inherent trait and not something they chose. Because really, who would choose something that would cause them so much heartache and trouble and even danger, depending on where they are from?

Agree - with the qualifier that anyone who believes that they can successfully choose is, of course, bi!

 

[Mlrollin91]

Please explain.

If you truly believe that it is a preference and a choice, then there is no hope for you. Why would people choose to be gay when there are people like you that bash them for it. Why would people choose to be gay when the suicide rate is massive. Why would someone choose to put themselves in a position to be treated like second class citizens? You need to open your eyes.

 

[Sefstah]

I see the problem. You think sexual preference is actually a choice. I would imagine it's true that people can choose to experiment. But it's now 2017 and even an old fart like myself who is stuck on 1970's cultural references (explains why I will always think of Mork and Mindy first when I see this band) has enough awareness to know that the vast majority of people who identify as homosexual feel it's an inherent trait and not something they chose. Because really, who would choose something that would cause them so much heartache and trouble and even danger, depending on where they are from?

I will admit that your responses are very thorough and well written, but you are all over the place! So off topic that I wont be debating with you anymore. Have a nice day

 

[Mlrollin91]

I am not talking about homosexuality. I am talking about that specific line of defense, for any argument and not just homosexuality. Pointing out at animals to explain/justify human nature/behavior is dangerous, exactly because animals do (because of their own nature) stuff that we wouldn't do. Eating own kids, husband, or murder (killing element of same species). It's just a dangerous preoposition, for ANY argument.

On topic, agreed: Homosexuality is not a mental illness.

Okay, I agree with your point. I am just referring to homosexuality because so many people say its wrong and against God's law. But if God created these animals as well, and they do it in nature, it just shows it cannot be a preference or choice. Its hardwired in their genetic code.

 

[democracyrules]

Debates pro and against LGBTQ are really getting old and tiring. Sexual orientation is a private matter and nobody's business outside the involved parties. Advertising of pride to have the orientation only creates endless arguments and negativity.

 

[cogitodexter]

I could care less if a person wanted to sleep with someone of the same sex, opposite sex, a llama, or a cantaloupe. Just be an adult about it and don't feel the need to throw it in my face.

Being overtly aggressive is only going to make a group of people who have a sour taste in their mouth, even more at ease with you. The whole you are with us, or against us vibe the movement exudes is not going to win them much backing in the straight community who could truly care less what they do.

The only problem is that too many homophobes believe that *any* depiction or experience of someone else showing that they aren't heterosexual is 'throwing it in the face'. And yet meanwhile, every single LGBTQ person experiences heterosexuality being thrown in their face countless times every day... through shows on TV, billboards, TV adverts with the 'nuclear family'. Which is all very well, nothing wrong in that - except nobody has a right to complain that other forms of living one's life get shown as well.

Frankly, until we come to a time when nobody gives a monkey's patoottie whether their neighbours are Adam and Eve, Adam and Steve, or Eve and Anne, we still need to campaign for equal treatment for LGBTQ people.

 

[HiVolt]

You want stigma? what about the mental health awareness band? Thats a far bigger problem in the world then who people want to love. I could care less about who people want be with, I just don't care, go for it, have a ball.
Just my two cents.

I'd say it's fairly clear why they chose to promote LGBTQ awareness thru the watch band, clearly influenced by the Tim Cook's personal agenda.

The problem with this now, other organizations & causes are gonna single out Apple for not supporting them via custom watch bands, especially for things that Apple already has strong support for, like environmental protection, immigration, etc.

 

[Mlrollin91]

No sure why time and time again people on these forums fall for the Trolls. You give in and continue to feed their ignorance it has nothing to with equality as troll has claimed but everything do with trying to shame and belittle a companies honest desire to give a little to organizations that are close to the CEOs heart.

I totally understand where you are coming from, I guess I am just shocked to see people willing to write these things, whether they are trying to get a rise out of others or not.

 

[5105973]

I will admit that your responses are very thorough and well written, but you are all over the place! So off topic that I wont be debating with you anymore. Have a nice day

Well if I'm off topic and all over the place then my responses aren't very well written. But then I never claimed to be Hemingway! And for the record I agree. I'm a terrible writer. I have the attention span of a gnat.

 

[RadioGaGa1984]

Debates pro and against LGBTQ are really getting old and tiring. Sexual orientation is a private matter and nobody's business outside the involved parties. Advertising of pride to have the orientation only creates endless arguments and negativity.

But see in the hetero community it isn't private, its splashed all over the TV and Movie screens, magazines and Print Ads everywhere. The only time sexuality is to be private is if its someone of the LGBTQ community.

 

[magicschoolbus]

A watch band that supports gay and lesbian communities? Where's the watch band that applauds the straight people? It's got to work both ways or else it's sexist. Funny how that works huh?

Straight people? Whose straight these days?

 

[Mousse]

I couldn't possible buy this simply for the name. The Pride Edition ? What the fudgecake.

I would get one and if anyone asks, I'd say it's a Throw Back or Nostalgia Edition band.

 

[Sefstah]

If you truly believe that it is a preference and a choice, then there is no hope for you. Why would people choose to be gay when there are people like you that bash them for it. Why would people choose to be gay when the suicide rate is massive. Why would someone choose to put themselves in a position to be treated like second class citizens? You need to open your eyes.

I didn't bash anyone for being gay. What are you talking about? You totally just made that up in your head for no reason! We're done here. Have a blessed day

 

[magicschoolbus]

But liberals always blame straight white people for everything.

Check your privilege, bro! We all know everything has been handed to you because you're a straight white and yes I am assuming your gender, MALE. You don't get up or work for anything because everything has been handed to you on a silver platter because of your race gender and sexual orientation!

 

[Mlrollin91]

I didn't bash anyone for being gay. What are you talking about? You totally just made that up in your head for no reason! We're done here. Have a blessed day

No, you just are not following your own train of thought and the consequences of your words. You want a "straight band" because you don't think straights are being treated with equality. But in reality gays are not being treated with equality, therefore you are bashing the homosexuality community by taking this away from them. There are many different ways to use the word bashing. You should freshen up on them.

 

[rudychidiac]

No thank you. I'm fighting for equality here!

That really doesn't make any sense... If you're fighting for equality then you should acknowledge and support the LGBT community because they're being discriminated against, not the straight community... Straight people can get married, they're not killed for who they are, they're not being kicked out of their houses. Once that happens with you I promise you I will make you a "straight pride" watch band myself.

 

[Sefstah]

You're not trying to be equal with your argument. You're trying to keep the status quo. Why do you think we should advocate for equal rights for straight people? Are they being denied their rights because they are straight?

"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

You're right, lets only do something for one group of people.

 

[miniyou64]

A watch band that supports gay and lesbian communities? Where's the watch band that applauds the straight people? It's got to work both ways or else it's sexist. Funny how that works huh?

All these people yelling at you have the definition of first world problems. You're 100% correct of course but the perpetual "Im a victim" and "blame everyone else for my problems" mindsets have already taken over in the US. It will be a while before that cycles out.