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Apple Confirms Sales of Apple Watch Pride Edition Band Will Support LGBTQ Groups

Pride, feminism, Black Lives Matter, etc. do not need to "go both ways" to be fair.

You are a straight, white male. There is nothing about your genetic makeup that you are discriminated for, or oppressed by. Minority races, women, and LGBT folks are all put down in some way, shape or form by our society, and therefore are allowed to celebrate and activate.

You do not need a Straight Pride Month. You do not need a White History Month. You do not need to walk for being male. It doesn't make sense. And anyone arguing for any sort of straight/white pride product need to rethink their mindset and realize that every other ****ing day/month of the year is straight/white pride.

This doesn't affect you in the slightest, so stop complaining about it and let people live their lives. This is not being forced into your life, you do not need to buy the product, attend a pride parade, or march in a rally. Sit down.
 
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JohnnyQuest said:
Pride, feminism, Black Lives Matter, etc. do not need to "go both ways" to be fair.

You are a straight, white male. There is nothing about your genetic makeup that you are discriminated for, or oppressed by. Minority races, women, and LGBT folks are all put down in some way, shape or form by our society, and therefore are allowed to celebrate and activate.

You do not need a Straight Pride Month. You do not need a White History Month. You do not need to walk for being male. It doesn't make sense. And anyone arguing for any sort of straight/white pride product need to rethink their mindset and realize that every other ****ing day/month of the year is straight/white pride.

This doesn't affect you in the slightest, so stop complaining about it and let people live their lives. This is not being forced into your life, you do not need to buy the product, attend a pride parade, or march in a rally. Sit down.
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Yes, white men have no problems ever and therefore need to be oppressed. Please talk down to me more.
 
RichTF said:
Yup, I’m done.

It’s worth posting in threads like this, not because of the trolls who post, but because of the people who might read it and fall for their nonsense. Same reason why it’s worth calling out such people in the real world. You’re unlikely to change their mind, but you might give thought to a bystander or passer-by.

On here, once we get past the first few pages it’s a case of diminishing returns though. ;)
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Even if we think the point of view is wrong, I dont think its trolling to defend a point of view thats being attacked.
Thats kind of the whole point of a 'discussion' forum.
 
miniyou64 said:
Yes, white men have no problems ever and therefore need to be oppressed. Please talk down to me more.
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I'm not at all saying you do not have problems. Everyone has problems. But regarding your gender, race and sexual orientation, you are not at all oppressed by the world. You have the rights and equality that everyone else is fighting for.
 
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democracyrules said:
Debates pro and against LGBTQ are really getting old and tiring. Sexual orientation is a private matter and nobody's business outside the involved parties. Advertising of pride to have the orientation only creates endless arguments and negativity.
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So, you want "don't ask, don't tell" then? What if that "advertising of pride" is walking down the street with your arm around a person of the same gender and kissing them occasionally? (Nobody seems to have a problem with straight couples doing that.) Should gay couples stop that, lest they offend the "normal" people? Are you okay with the situation if they refrain from holding hands while the walk down the street because they fear that someone might physically attack them for doing so?

They don't want special rights, they just don't want to have to hide who they are in order to be treated like people. You seem to be expecting them to hide who they are to avoid upsetting "normal" people.

I pay attention to the Raspberry Pi site, and forums, because I have a lot of fun building things with them (wonderful cheap credit-card-sized computer boards that run Linux, with roots in advancing computer literacy). Their home page generally has a cartoon-like drawing showing some scene related to experimenting with Raspberry Pi computers. At the moment, it's two adults watching two kids hooking up a Raspberry Pi to a robot they're building on a kitchen table. I didn't give the picture much thought on my way to the forums, but, yeah... somebody had to go and complain about their "gay pride" home page - I went back and looked: the couple I'd parsed as "two adults maybe parents"... one of them has a rainbow lapel pin and is wearing an earring. So therefore must be gay (right?), and in a gay relationship with the other adult (and apparently that is the main point of the picture, not the two kids learning coding and robotics).

The complaint was about pushing the gay agenda. But the necessary implication of that viewpoint is that, in order to not be "pushing a gay agenda", they must only depict people who look straight - because, apparently, straight people are normal, and everyone else is aberrant. Takeaway message: gay people should try to pass as straight in polite society, lest they offend "normal" people. Having to constantly hide who you are, for fear of being discovered, is no way to live. Why insist others do that, just so "you" can pretend "those kind of people" don't exist.
 
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CarlJ said:
So, you want "don't ask, don't tell" then? What if that "advertising of pride" is walking down the street with your arm around a person of the same gender and kissing them occasionally? (Nobody seems to have a problem with straight couples doing that.) Should gay couples stop that, lest they offend the "normal" people? Are you okay with the situation if they refrain from holding hands while the walk down the street because they fear that someone might physically attack them for doing so?

They don't want special rights, they just don't want to have to hide who they
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Regarding walking down the street together, holding hands, the occasional PDA... Go for it! I don't care and am not offended. Plus, I suspect that the majority of people won't care either. As with most social issues it's likely just a small number of people - on both sides of the issue - stirring up trouble.

OTOH, want to walk down the street in nothing but a g-string? cheek-less jeans? vagina costume? Now I'm offended. Those are inappropriate in any PUBLIC context. I don't want to see it. And for the record, I don't care for the swimsuits that many girls/ladies wear to the pool or beach either so this isn't a gay/straight attitude. Act like a responsible adult and I won't care. Act like a crazy person... and the game changes. Want to cut lose and be crazy for a while? Do it in a private setting.
 
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thisisnotmyname said:
grayscale rainbow?
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Grayscale "rainbow" might look cool. Not sure if I'd want one or not, but it'd look cool.

Actually, going on a different tangent... What if they worked out the skin color of everyone on earth and averaged them together into six representative colors - not by simply guessing, and not by picking colors to try to give representation to specific groups, but by really sciencing it and trying to work out approximate actual skin-tones-times-number-of-people, so that each of the six colors chosen was an average of the colors of roughly one sixth of the global population... that would make an interesting watch band, showing how diverse we are.

(Related observation: nobody is really white-skinned. Except mimes.)
 
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CarlJ said:
Are you inferring that the vast majority of the US population disapprove of LGBTQ folks?
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I thought Apple was down with the oppressed peoples, and Non-Muslims have it FAR worse in those countries than LGBTQ folks do here.
 
CarlJ said:
Are you inferring that the vast majority of the US population disapprove of LGBTQ folks?
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Just a certain demographic that makes up a large part of the base of a certain political party that uses the anger and xenophobia of said demographic as shelter for their unpopular economic goals.

:D
 
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So in case anyone missed the law just recently passed in Mississippi, this is why things like pride and funding for groups that fight on our behalf is important:

https://www.apnews.com/f7b312070758...low&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

You can't deny service based on race, gender, religious beliefs, or age, but its now OK to discriminate (both privately and for government services) if someone is gay.
 
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I think one's perception of this issue depends so much on if you know gay people that are an important part of your life. I have a son that came out this Spring. Great kid (I say kid....he is a junior at university.....but your children are always your kids). Very bright. Played sports in High School. Played in the school band. Has great friends (very accepting of who he is). Really, has so much going for him. Frankly, I think I knew this about him since he was 5 years old. But, I figured he would tell the family when he was ready.

Here is the thing, and the reason for the background info. When he told us, he said: I suspect you guys kind of knew, but there is really no easy or good time to do this (come-out). So, here is a kid with lots of stuff going for him and parents that are accepting.....and it was still a tough thing to do. Straight people don't face this issue.

Of course, we told him we love him and that doesn't changes because he came out. I also said: never try to hide or apologize for who you are. That just puts power in the hands of the narrow minded.

Now, I have another younger son. Another great kid. But, he is different than his older brother....different interests and strengths. I suspect I will never have to say these same words to him. I know there are certain things that will be easier for the younger boy.....and he won't face possible prejudice just because of the person he loves.

So for those that think gay and straight people don't face different issues, I would respectfully disagree. For example, Apple does not make a "straight" watch band because it is just a false equivalency when compared to the discrimination and prejudice that gay people face.
 
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Mainsail said:
I think one's perception of this issue depends so much on if you know gay people that are an important part of your life. I have a son that came out this Spring. Great kid (I say kid....he is a junior at university.....but your children are always your kids). Very bright. Played sports in High School. Played in the school band. Has great friends (very accepting of who he is). Really, has so much going for him. Frankly, I think I knew this about him since he was 5 years old. But, I figured he would tell the family when he was ready.

Here is the thing, and the reason for the background info. When he told us, he said: I suspect you guys kind of knew, but there is really no easy or good time to do this (come-out). So, here is a kid with lots of stuff going for him and parents that are accepting.....and it was still a tough thing to do. Straight people don't face this issue.

Of course, we told him we love him and that doesn't changes because he came out. I also said: never try to hide or apologize for who you are. That just puts power in the hands of the narrow minded.

Now, I have another younger son. Another great kid. But, he is different than his older brother....different interests and strengths. I suspect I will never have to say these same words to him. I know there are certain things that will be easier for the younger boy.....and he won't face possible prejudice just because of the person he loves.

So for those that think gay and straight people don't face different issues, I would respectfully disagree. For example, Apple does not make a "straight" watch band because it is just a false equivalency when compared to the discrimination and prejudice that gay people face.
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You are a truly beautiful person. That is all. Thank you!
 
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alex2792 said:
I thought Apple was down with the oppressed peoples, and Non-Muslims have it FAR worse in those countries than LGBTQ folks do here.
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And you think making watch bands for atheists, Sikhs and Hindus in Muslim countries (and for Muslims in countries like China and the US) is the way to go?
 
Sefstah said:
A watch band that supports gay and lesbian communities? Where's the watch band that applauds the straight people? It's got to work both ways or else it's sexist. Funny how that works huh?
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This argument is so ridiculous.

You want a 'white power band'? Coming from the majority, such calls for special recognition are so abhorrent. Imagine whites in Apartheid South Africa demanding special treatment. I think they DID! They loved to beat on and torture blacks. Their treatment was all about 'special treatment', of 'applauding whites'.

So is this asinine 'but we feel slighted' coming from 'straight people'. Experience life on the other side of the issue before you try to smugly demand special treatment over the lives of the real punished class of people.

Such a degree of cognitive dissonance must be tiring, constantly walking around, as the 'chosen class', wildly outnumbering the minority, and looking for some little slight to get you undies in a wad.

Try getting banned for who you are. Try getting banned because your parents didn't have the common sense to make you white, or God for making you 'different'. The constant need of people in the majority to get 'special treatment', or 'special recognition' makes me sick. There is real suffering going on, and your comments horrify people. But enjoy being a tool for the destruction of society. Enjoy being a pinball ball, bouncing from one slight to another while those backing this stupidity laugh over how easy it is to divide the once greatest nation on the planet. It's working so well... ;) You cunning culture warrior you...o_O
 
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