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Apple Continues Removing iOS 18 Siri Personal Context References After Delay

nickelro said:
I guess a class action lawsuit against APPL for false advertising will be in order.
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And it will be completely unfounded. The essence of a false advertising claim comes down to intent. Apple presumably made a good faith effort to deliver on these claims, but was not able to. They did not intentionally mislead anyone.

This is not false advertising, not even remotely.
 
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arkitect said:
That used to apply to Apple and I buy into that most times.

This is not the case unfortunately.

It is one thing to keep schtum and stun the world with a fabulous new product… and an altogether different thing to preanounce and then having to backtrack.

This is just bad and looks as if the adults in charge have been asleep at the wheel.
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It happens. To me it’s not anything that would alter my Apple buying habits. But I understand ymmv when it comes down to it.
 
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UndefinedxJoker said:
With the amount of money and “geniuses” Apple has at their disposal they should of been the first to release a chat-gpt-like product or the very least release one shortly after. But instead they are years behind and release a much inferior, and unfinished, product.
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With new model like Manus, I would not mind if they come second but with something like that.
 
Eorlas said:
i'm not a big fan of apple's shortcomings, but y'all are acting like somehow tim cook overall looks bad. if you check out apple's value as a company since steve's death through to now, its share prices have climbed enormously, and the company's market cap is in the trillions.

tim cook has done a great job as ceo, on the consumer level there's not so great things. but for him, his duty is to make sure apple is profitable so shareholders are happy, and thus their board is happy.
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Tim Cook has about a ration of about 10 to 1 in bad to good things he’s done for Apple.

A McDonalds fry cook would’ve taken Apple to the trillion dollar market cap mark with Steve’s products eventually.
 
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CopyChief said:
And it will be completely unfounded. The essence of a false advertising claim comes down to intent. Apple presumably made a good faith effort to deliver on these claims, but was not able to. They did not intentionally mislead anyone.

This is not false advertising, not even remotely.
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Intent can be used loosely. Does Apple hire quality engineers and coders to program this stuff?
Did they provide an expected date of release and miss it?
Did they advertise that the phone comes with said feature?

3.3 trillion dollar company somehow finds it difficult to employ quality coders, apparently.

A court should force Apple to ask customers who bought an iPhone 16 series phone for a receipt in order to be reimbursed for the cost.
 
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ProbablyDylan said:
They have one. Notification summaries, Priority notifications, and the writing tools all work using an internal, lightweight LLM.
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Maybe it's too small / light ?

Or maybe they need an Image to Text AI (on-screen awareness needs that IMO and doing a heavy search in Photos too).
 
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CopyChief said:
And it will be completely unfounded. The essence of a false advertising claim comes down to intent. Apple presumably made a good faith effort to deliver on these claims, but was not able to. They did not intentionally mislead anyone.

This is not false advertising, not even remotely.
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I don’t think there’s a lawsuit here, so there’s that. But wouldn’t ability to reasonably deliver on your claim matter too? If I sold you a car that could go 100 MPH and “promised” to deliver an update within the year that would allow the car to go light speed, I have just made a claim that would be unachievable. In other words, if I over-promise, wouldn’t that apply to a false advertising claim?
 
PsykX said:
Maybe it's too small / light ?
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The problem with a larger or more complex model is that they're computationally expensive to run, to say nothing of their file size. They would take longer to generate a response and use more power to do so. Not great when running on a phone.

The alternative would be running a larger model on a server somewhere, like Google does for Gemini. Apple has shown themselves to be hesitant to do this.

PsykX said:
Or maybe they need an Image to Text AI (on-screen awareness needs that IMO and doing a heavy search in Photos too).
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Visual Intelligence is supposed to be this. Presumably they will further integrate it across iOS as time goes on and use cases become more apparent.
 
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iamgalt said:
It seems everyone does nothing but complain about how bad Siri & Apple Intelligence is, and then when Apple delays the release of something I genuinely think they thought they'd have done by now, in order to get it right, most people here are still just bad mouthing them; claiming they're intentionally scamming us, covering their tracks, and working out ways to sidestep this and hope everyone forgets about it. Apple is doing what so many people on here have been asking Apple to do; wait until it's ready before releasing it. But since this site seems to no longer be a "Mac Rumors" site, but a "lets just complain about everything Apple does" site, I guess I can't say I'm surprised. Delaying the release of things is not uncommon for any company to do. It doesn't mean they were intentionally scamming us, or that they're incompetent. It means it's a complicated piece of software, and apple doesn't want to release it before it's ready. And if it's AI features that a lot of people on this site claim they don't even want/use, I don't see what the big deal is.
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It easy to criticise. I do it as well but
I saw some recent tests and It was not that bad in general. Especially speed. Of cource, image cleaning is pathetic in some cases but they are often not real life use cases. And...
We should know Apple use own on device AI while others use online heavy weight models on everything I would say. Especially on picture cleaning. It is image re-generation not object removal.
And most of those heavy weight trained models on someone intelectual property for free and now earn money on that.
 
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The top image is taken from the US site, the latter from the UK.

Wonder if, when it’s ready, it’ll be US only at first and released out in future updates for the ROW?
 
I7guy said:
delaying a feature to get it right is more important than anything. Especially for Apple.
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Maybe they should get it at least close to right before promising it. Apple under Jobs was far better at waiting for the competition to innovate and then them doing it in a more polished, "better" way. Cook's Apple does it slower and worse. He's hopeless.
 
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JonathanParker said:
the problem is that they advertised it as an OMG amazing iphone 16 feature buy now not a ‘hey, we wanted to share our vision for Siri. this is what we had in mind: we’re working on it and we’ll announce more in the coming year.’
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This, exactly. The problem isn’t that they’re taking their time with a new feature. It’s that they announced something that wasn’t ready, something that they touted as the main selling point of the latest generation of phones. I would have no problem with them introducing Apple Intelligence features at WWDC and indicating that some features would come later, without a specified date. But the back-tracking they’re doing is because they jumped the gun, they over-promised, and they’re having to correct for it. Apple deserves condemnation for this.

The fact that AirPower is really the only other example suggests this is the exception, not the rule, but it’s not a good trend or practice.
 
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Two-three years ago, I saw a nice EV at a mall, it was rather good looking. It was Fisker. I was interested in it but most of the features were "coming in future with new updates". So, it was a no for me. It turned out that I made the right choice.
I like my Airpods because, even a couple of years after it's release, Apple did add new features which weren't mentioned at the time of release. Apple promised a lot during the release of iPhone 16 and almost 6 months have passed and we are still wondering what is happening with Siri.
 
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Some interesting things in this thread.

The reality is simple. They took a bet on untested technology to keep up with other market hype and it’s not paying off. For anyone.

This will never be released in any reasonable capacity as something “good enough” is far from the asymptote that progress has settled on.

You’ll get left with a crap strap on novelty assistant and a cute picture generator, neither of which are really useful.
 
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