There can sometimes be a fine line between courage and arrogance. I suspect this is one of those times.
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Apple Continues to Sell Base Model 2015 MacBook Pros at Same Price Points
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There can sometimes be a fine line between courage and arrogance. I suspect this is one of those times.
It's only the future of Apple because they are forcing the issue. Wouldn't be a problem if iPads could run large external monitors and full applications of the same complexity of macs, but that's not the case.
Except when we are talking about iPhones, iPads and iPods... even previous Macs... And just about everything else. So no, your excuse is kinda sad. But I get it, you need to defend Apple at all costs, otherwise you feel insecure. You feel like you don't belong anymore.
That's cool. Just don't try to do it with me, it won't work. Nice signature, by the way.
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Yes, my signature indicates that I'm tired of people whining all the time. Buy what you want, don't buy what you don't, I really don't understand the need to sit in a public forum and sob about how Apple isn't living up to your sense of entitlement...
That aside, I'm not sure what your sentence fragment means. You're responding to 3 paragraphs. What except when we are talking about iPhones, iPads and iPods? Are you suggesting that iP*s follow some inverse price/utility relationship? Also, who's talking about those things in this thread? Is this just more unfocused complaining about the world?
Once Mac OS and iOS converge and the iPad has the same pro app library, I think Apple is moving towards the tablet form factor.
A thin, virtually weightless slab with a bezelless display seems to be the goal for the ultimate computer.
...And like they used to with old Macs too.
Is this the first time Apple has ever kept a year+ old model on the shelf without a discount, even when updated product has been released?
Hmm, by your logic I should still be able to purchase a 1999 cellphone for thousands of dollars. Same product, same price right?
No. Generally, consumer electronics get discounted as they age and are replaced by newer/better tech. The old MacBooks have old processors. In late 2016, they are not worth the same amount.
By your logic, I should still be able to by a loaf of bread for a nickel, and next Tuesday should rain because it rained the last few Tuesdays...
First, you're taking a supply side view. The reason why technology has gotten cheaper generation to generation is because the components were getting faster and cheaper to make. Don't know if you've noticed, but the technology curve on computers is flattening out:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/
So stuff isn't getting much cheaper to make.
From a demand side, the older generation does the same amount of work as it used to, and thus has the same amount of value to the user. As a Pro machine, it's value is the work it can do for you. If the price stays the same, then you are no more or less productive than you used to be, you can charge the same for your services, and pay the same amount for your equipment.
Like I said, I like when prices drop too, but I'm not going to cut my wrists over this...
I think you are focusing too much on the WAY people respond and not WHY they respond the way they do. Apple products have always been expensive. Thats a given.
As years have gone by and we all purchase more of their products our day to day life becomes intwined with the Apple ecosystem. Unfortunately since Jobs, we have been subjected to incremental updates with much hype but not much innovation or substance. As time passes, we find ourselves waiting and waiting for new products only to be disappointed with incremental updates that seem like an afterthought. Very little innovation, neglected and outdated product lines, expensive memory, and drives, etc. Many of us have to pay the extra ridiculous costs for upgrades to meet our needs if we choose to stay with Apple. Did you have a 16gb iPhone that filled up almost overnight? Oh ya no SD slot.. SOL.
I think many people have reason to complain especially those who have lived in an Apple ecosystem for many years and now have to pay exorbitant prices to enjoy the privilege, knowing there are better products out there.
You should blame your countrymen for that one, when they voted for Brexit and the GBP tanked.
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Not initially. Initially I was responding to the idea that prices not falling was "insane". The price of bread hasn't fallen over the years, and nobody thinks that's insane. So I made the mistake of trying to have a conversation.
But people don't have conversations about things anymore; they form tribes, whine together in an echo chamber and confuse the volume of all that bellyaching for consensus. So yes, now I am, in part, responding to the way people answered me.
Your response is reasoned and thoughtful, and I totally get it. I might see it a bit differently, but there's room to discuss those differences. As I keep repeating, I like when prices fall too, but let's talk about why they're not falling and do it in a way that maybe we can learn something.
I think people over glamorize the Jobs years. I remember the constant anguish about the price of PowerPC machines compared to Intel and arguments about availability of software and cache sizes and RISC versus CISC and whether any of that meant anything in the end. I remember people waiting and waiting for later PowerPC architectures only to see them never materialize and watching Macs level off in performance for a few years as a result. I remember the power dynamic between Motorola and Jobs causing all kinds of havoc in the product pipeline. I remember Jobs triumphantly going to IBM to rub Motorola's nose in the G5, then promising 3GHz but never achieving it. I remember the Powerbooks stagnating on G4s for years. I remember the switch to Intel, and then promptly obsoleting the first generation machines.
And if you think there has been more hype than actual innovation since Jobs, you're forgetting that the man was famed for his "Reality Distortion Field".
Don't get me started on the 16GB iPhone. That was a manufactured problem from the beginning... If you wanted more storage you could buy more storage-- people not doing their homework and then blaming Apple is exactly the type of self entitled nonsense that pisses me off. My company has bought dozens of 16GB phones for development and they were just fine for that purpose. I handed down a 128GB iPad that I had full up, and the new user has less than 7GB of stuff on it.
I understand that people want prices to fall, but I'm not surprised that they aren't falling. Apple isn't going to chase the laptop market into the ground. They're going to decide what their profit margins need to be in order to stay in the market and set a floor knowing that their unit shipments will decline. They're going to do the same with iPads and iPhones.
These technology markets are largely saturated and processors haven't scaled so Intel hasn't been giving much reason to update. 10% a year? It's really not worth the effort to spin the circuit board. Apple is responding by slowing down their update cycles and maintaining their ASPs. I'm fine with that. So if my laptop breaks a year into a 2 year update cycle, I'm out 5%. Not the end of the world.
What matters to me is that the machine serves the purpose I need it to, and that it's reliable. If it doesn't, or it isn't, or if the prices get too far out of control then I'll find another solution. I like Apple, but I believe in the free market.
What I don't understand is, if these people "know there are better products out there", why are they insisting on buying the "inferior" Apple product and then bizarrely claiming that it's other people who are behaving irrationally?
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I have just done the same and collecting tomorrow from local Waitrose supermarket (part of the J Lewis Group). I use my current MBA mid 2011 in clamshell mode going through a lovely Viewsonic VP2770 screen, so rarely use the keyboard unless on holiday.I was tempted to stretch to the 15" at £1,999 but I can put the saved £600 towards some other kit.
It seems weird to be "downtrading" on the day after a new launch but Mr Cook and his mates have really lost the plot this time.
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Thye haven't dropped the prices because they know so many of us will pile in and buy them!
I could agree with you if it were not for a couple of points
- Their gear is overpriced even in USD
- How much do they have in the bank - approx $250 Billion, that is just price gouging
People whining is bad for you if you think about it. Apple should ignore the whining at their peril. There is only so much good will that they can survive on. If fewer people begin to buy Apple products, which I think we may just be at that point then that is eventually bad news for existing Apple customers.
So how does this compare with my early 2015 13" MacBook Pro Retina with 3.1 GHz Intel Core i7, 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD bought in June 2105 for $2199 (plus tax)? Does not seem like much of an advance to me except the increased price, Oh, and half a pound lighter and so much "volume " saved?? Who cares about the volume? The thing that impacts portability of a MacBook is area - width and depth might make it harder to transport, but not the thickness. The thinness impacts portability in making you carry along dongles for just about everything you need to connect to, which makes the whole Pro designation a misnomer.
That's interesting. Is there new, better, faster bread released that I am not aware of? Have the bread ingredients been dropping in price in time? Is there R&D done on bread?
Also how come other manufacturers manage to lower prices on previous models and only Apple isn't capable of that? Are they too poor and have no money at all?
I only wanted to upgrade because I'm a nerd and like new and shiny things, but I can't afford/justify buying a computer that costs €1999 only because it has a touch bar. But the fact 2015 model costs the same as before makes me happy, it will be good for resale value
I have two MBPs, with one running the same battery for over three years now and another for close to eight.
Your battery experience is certainly unique and would be covered by AppleCare.
That having been said, I'm thinking of picking up a 2005 MBP for the physical ESC key.
Why, what do they not do now that they would do yesterday?
If they were worth price X yesterday, they're still worth price X today, especially among people who don't want the silly touch bar.
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It's worth any amount of money to me to never have to touch Windows.
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Yeah, the heck with you know, complying with the law and following Apple's License Agreement.
Just attatch the dongle to the accesory you want to bring with you, then its just part of the thing you were bringing anyways, just making that cable little bit longer than before
