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Apple Continuing Work on Mac OS X 10.5.2. 9C27 Seeded.

I have my Mac Pro early 2008 with Leopard now for app. 2 weeks, but it's very unstable (1 crash per hour is not uncommon). The crashing always seem to have the same pattern: some bizarre random pixel effects flashing across the screen resulting in a freeze where I can move the mouse pointer on the screen but can't click anything and keyboard doesn't respond either. So all I can do is restart the machine.

Originally I transfered my old stuff from my G5 to the MP, but after that I did a complete clean install of Leopard. Hardly have any other software installed until now.
Until now I have not seen the exact same complaints (and therefore haven't read on possible culprits or solutions either).

Maybe this weekend I'm gonna take out the extra memory (2 * 2Gb) I have bought and see how it behaves with the original 2 * 1Gb memory.
All in all very frustrating considering the excellent stability I had under Tiger...
 
They are just waiting for all those MBA's to get out there so that all their new owners can do their first wireless update just days after receiving them. Builds confidence and reinforces the feature set. ;)
 
Some help required...

Nearly everything works fine with 10.5.1. on my iMac G5 20", but there are a few things I would like to change or avoid, if someone knows how:

  • The Finder window pops up every time I start my Mac. That never happend with Tiger or earlier. I want the Finder window closed as default.
  • Every few days the Mac turns black during work as if it was shut down. After a few second it returns to life as if nothing ever happend (with the screen unchanged).
  • Spotlight doesn't search the whole disk anymore but only the user's folders and the application folders. E.g. Libraries are not searched, unless I change the settings for one search. It was different (=better for me) with former OSXs. I would like to search the whole disk as default.

And there is other stuff I am not happy with, but that was discussed on this site before and might be changed with the release of 10.5.2
 
davidmesiha said:
...I also work at an apple store, and have seen a couple of machines (from experienced users) that were totally messed up, in one occasion whenever a folder is created, you are denied access to it...
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Hey Dave, did you know that Apple employees are specifically forbidden to contribute to forums such as this? It's not just corporate paranoia - Apple doesn't want anything you say as an employee to be taken as 'official' comment from an Apple source.

If you are going to comment on this forum you should at least change the name you use so you can't be identified by your boss ;)
 
well i work for an apple retailer (not apple itself), and i have to say somtimes the bugs are apples fault, but in 99 percent of the cases (excluding broken hardware) it's some messed up system. and messed up by the user that is. latest one was some guy who claimed he could not connect to any wireless network properly, and also the system used to crash when using some programs. all he had to do is run software update (he was still using 10.4.4), worked like a charm.
 
Silentwave said:
Really?
Don't be so sure.

Check the MR news archive.
Leopard 9B13 seeded to developers, then 9B16. On November 14th, 9B18 was seeded to developers, and on November 15th, 9B18 was released as 10.5.1
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Thanks, I was trying to find that too. Good to know that there is still some hope for a Friday release!
 
kabunaru said:
I think he means a blue tint that has plagued Mac OS X since Mac OS 10.4.8. ;)
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I had this problem as well. This happens because there is something wrong with your default colorsync profile. Just get a different copy of the default colorsync profile from someone else and overwrite yours... it will fix the blue tint.
 
Just a thought...

Apple could be delaying this release so they have more time to fix the quicktime update that they just released.

Not common knowledge but QT 7.4 has pretty much broken Adobe video apps (and possibly FCP) due to the new DRM part for Movie Rentals.

Apple do like to bundle important update when releasing them so perhaps this is the reason?
 
or i could be that they have just lost the plot...when deadlines are missed, it is a very unhealthy sign, when you don't make deadlines so you can't be accused of missing them that is hiding something..too many things not working.
 
Actually, for updates like these there is no precise deadline. Because you'll never know what problems might appear.

When no problems are found in the latest seed, it's possible Apple would release the update today.
 
John Purple said:
The Finder window pops up every time I start my Mac. That never happend with Tiger or earlier. I want the Finder window closed as default.
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Actually that happened to me in Tiger. It was about a month after my fresh install of Tiger on a MBP. The finder just keeps popping out when I start the computer. It's annoying, but I worked around it by not shutting down. :p
 
RichardI said:
Just curious (fairly recent switcher), but when they do release this update, will they publish a complete list of what's been changed?

Rich :cool:
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Yes, they will publish a list of what's been changed, at least what they've documented.

Even when Apple would release 10.5.2 today, we would not see it untill afternoon (EST), I guess. It's just half past six in Cupertino, I suppose Apple developers are still sleeping.
 
Another Hollow & Misleading Claim

MacArchi said:
Apple have done us and I mean me personally a serious disservice with Leopard, the quick fix 10.5.1 underscored the significant issues. Claims that Leopard is stable are hollow and misleading.
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Well, I've had five Macs running on Leopard since the day it was released, and it's been completely stable for me. That's not fanboy talk, it's just fact. So, if you want to call that a "hollow and misleading" claim, go right ahead.:)
 
Actually I haven't been having many problems with Leopard apart from:
  • Finder can crash or remain frozen. Restarting the process won't do anything...a reboot is needed (or logoff)
  • sometimes when I close a not responding app, its icon remains on the dock and the system believes its still running despite the fact that Activity Monitor doesn't display the process running! The only way to get past this is to kill the process Windowserver but that closes everything thats running..this is very annoying and wasnt there in tiger
 
wkkschb said:
doesn't this change the entire view settings for every window/folder.

i would like to have each folder a different view settings - including size of the window.

i don't think this works...well, for something so simple its so complicated in leopard.
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It'll change the font size, whether you want it to be list view or icon view etc and make that default.

As for window sizes, if I open up Macintosh HD and make it a specific size, then close it, then reopen it; it will be the same size as what I resized it to.

However, sometimes this isn't always the case, as it forgets what size it was. But usually it remembers.

Would be nice if it got it 100% though, and the same applied to shortcuts. I have a shortcut to My Documents on my Desktop, and it never remembers the size I want for that window.
 
cnorth3 said:
Well, I've had five Macs running on Leopard since the day it was released, and it's been completely stable for me. That's not fanboy talk, it's just fact. So, if you want to call that a "hollow and misleading" claim, go right ahead.:)
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We run 4 MacPros, 4MBP, 2 iMacs, consistently across the board without exception none can run Cinema 4D properly, struggle with mail, Office, Aperture and on a good day we have less then 10 system crashes, every one logged to Apple. The odd moment we could deal with. In Shake, FCP, and Vectorworks they are stable, Adobe on the other hand is a different matter. 13 months ago (over 1 year) at MacWorld os 10.5 was unveiled - today in forums all over the internet people are expressing the same frustrations regarding os 10.5. There are I am sure many who share your experience, but equally many who don't. Its not about what I call it, it is what I observe - by the size of 10.5.2 it is not a patch a fix or a updater it is a rebuild, and would not be necessary if there wasn't some fairly significant remedial work going on, and that stable or otherwise should not be happening certainly not from our beloved Apple.
 
MacSKY said:
I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Apple! As a recent Mac "newbie" (switched from Windows about 12 months ago) I was assured by all of my "MacHead" friends that I would never have issues like the ones I'm experiencing right now if I used Apple Computers. Well I made the switch and I have been loving it until I upgraded to Leopard about a month ago.

As a photographer, I didn't upgrade until I saw that Photoshop CS3 was compatible. I'm not sure what Adobe's meaning of compatible is, but CS3 is horribly buggy in Leopard on my iMac allum 24".

As far as my MacBook is concerned, my wireless connection is horribly unstable in Leopard. I took it to a Mac Genius just to rule out hardware issues. The "Genius" told me they (Apple) are aware and are working on it. "Any day now" he assured me.

I know this is going to crawl under the skin of many of you in this forum, but maybe Apple could take a page from Microsoft and release "Hot Fixes" as Microsoft likes to call them for specific urgent issues. And I consider the wireless issue I'm having with my MacBook urgent. I understand that my issues with Photoshop don't effect the majority on this list so why should you have to wait for a fix for this.

I'm forever on the Mac platform and have not regretted my switch in the slightest. And I'm looking forward to my new MBP (Once new ones are released) and Mac Pro once I save a little more! I would say that my Macs function almost at 100% since upgrading all of them to Leopard. But I certainly have learned that when it comes to upgrading the OS, all of these companies are alike and all should wait for the first updates to make sure the system is a stable OS. Especially if you're like me and depend on your computers to make a living.
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I see these posts about Horrible problems with Leopard. I have a question as a recent switcher my self, did you upgrade over the top or do a clean install?

I got Leopard in November with my macbook. Even then I did a clean install so as not to install MS or iWork trial-ware and to get rid of PPC code and every language but english, saving my self some serious disk space.

I have had Zero problems with Leopard, this little macbook runs a good 18 hours a day in Leopard almost everyday. I have a Linksys wireless N VPN router and I have it in G/N mode since my Macbook has N.

I will say that I have helped allot of users out with wireless problems (I am a small business consultant for Windows mostly) and a thing the helps them allot is switching the wireless AP to a single mode like G only as a test. I know mine works in mixed mode G/N but with newer N routers they sometimes work best in one mode G or N. Problem is usually not all clients are N yet, so they have to go to G only.
 
This is the best news yet on this build...

Joining the growing list of subtle refinements in Mac OS X 10.5.2 are several more significant feature additions, such as support for Remote Disc optical drive sharing on existing Macs.
 
LOOK GUYS... okay so maybe we are a little disappointed, but let's get this into perspective if we can; this is *SOFTWARE*, not the cure for cancer. It takes as long as it does, and no amount of whining and refreshing of Software Update is going to hurry it along any faster.

You're all relying on these bogus (and often unfounded) "rumours" to give you some kind of indication as to it's appearance, and when the "rumours" turn out to be lemons, you sulk like a child who got socks for Christmas. If you are stupid enough to hang on every word a rumour monger would utter, then you are the bigger fools for doing so.

Get on with your lives(?!) this is SOFTWARE, not life or death; it's okay to be disappointed, but for goodness sake GET IT IN PERSPECTIVE.
 
darthraige said:
This is the best news yet on this build...

Joining the growing list of subtle refinements in Mac OS X 10.5.2 are several more significant feature additions, such as support for Remote Disc optical drive sharing on existing Macs.
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You must have missed it. This was mentioned in an earlier build thread.

snakedoctor said:
I got Leopard in November with my macbook. Even then I did a clean install so as not to install MS or iWork trial-ware and to get rid of PPC code and every language but english, saving my self some serious disk space.
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I'm surprised getting rid of PPC code hasn't been problematic for you? A lot of folks do this and some Apps quit working (The ones that use Rosetta, I'm sure).

Did you also remove all the unused printer drivers? ;)
 
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