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Wanna explain why macOS has been ignored for years if you care so much about products? It still has bugs from years ago that have never been patched, forget new features.
Why has the Mac Pro still not received an update? Why is the MacBook Pro forcefully sold with a Touch Bar? If you care so much about your products why are you still selling the 6th Generation iPod Touch or the 4th Generation iPad Mini? There are so many segments of Apple's product line that show a complete lack of care and attention to detail compared to just 10 years ago.
Sadly, this is 100% true. Oh Steve, how I miss the Apple you built.
 
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It is true. Recent Supreme Court decision in the Hobby case states that public companies do not have to maximise profit for shareholders. Directors have immunity under the business judgment rule if they wish to charge less for products, thus less profit and be immune from civil cases from shareholders.

Really? Let’s also bring Dodge v. Ford Motor Company into it. I mean, at least go with the classics.
 
Who does the Strategic Product Planning @ AAPL ???

That's where they seem to be lacking the most.
Was it the $20B in profit in 90 days that tipped you off to poor strategy?

That’s only more than almost every single company in the world did in an entire year.
 
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The only way Apple will learn is when people keep their Apple devices for a very long time. Squeeze as much out of the device even when Apple is no longer supporting it. What your pocket book grow and watch as they drop prices. I think our desire to have the latest and greatest sometimes gets ahead of us. Use the product in a practical way and it will serve you well.
 
Wanna explain why macOS has been ignored for years if you care so much about products? It still has bugs from years ago that have never been patched, forget new features.
Why has the Mac Pro still not received an update? Why is the MacBook Pro forcefully sold with a Touch Bar? If you care so much about your products why are you still selling the 6th Generation iPod Touch or the 4th Generation iPad Mini? There are so many segments of Apple's product line that show a complete lack of care and attention to detail compared to just 10 years ago.
But look at all this new emojies we put so much R&D to each of them, forget about product functionality and quality. Emoji matters!
If you are not completely satisfied with emoji variety, think how much R&D, love and care we put to having staff diversity! No, professionalism doesn't matter any longer, all hail to diversity.
 
My 970 EVO 2 TB SSD is currently $680 (CDN). This is very fast flash memory, 3500MB read/2500MB write. It is not cheap stuff. For my MBP it would have cost $1750 (CDN) plus the value of the default 256gig. Their pricing very clearly values it at a flat $250 per 256gig, so $2000 for the same 2TB. Except Apple's is slower.

It is literally 3 times the price to get the slower Apple SSD vs a superior product for my non-Apple gaming machine. And the real kick in the pants is that for the privilege of paying Apple the $2000, I would have had to pay $500 more for the emojiBar model of the MBP (I have the 13" non-emojiBar model).

So yeah, Apple pretending they're aware at all of how absurd their pricing is really is a gigantic laugh.

I could go on, for example mentioned the mac mini, but as I said, I don't want you to accuse me of an uninformed rant.
 
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So you're one of those people who dont understand economics and GROSS (this chart, product cost minus material costs) vs NET (after all operating costs spit per unit) profits.

That the BoM is just the physical parts in the phone; not maintaining iOS updates each year (and then for 4-5 years for that device), icloud costs since its free to user, R&D of each new device, marketing, corporate salaries, HQ operating costs, retail stores, retail employees, repairs/supply chain, etc
I feel that all of that could be maintained without such a massive margin.
 
I get it. The product is more than the cost of the raw materials and there are costs for research, development and all the rest.

However... that doesn't explain why the keyboard folio for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro went from $169 to $199 while adding zero new features and the simple folio from $79 to $99.

Pricing is most definitely an indicator of luxury but Apple already had that. They have never offered inexpensive anything. The products are well made. Generally.

My read on this is that they have been blindsided by the criticism over pricing. There are times when they just don't get it and this is one of those times.
 
Read the post above yours. The facts show Apple profit margins on iPhones were once higher, double digits higher.; into the 70% range. Now its back around 60%. But mostly have remained near steady.

The bill of materials used to be just under $200 for a $600, or 1/3. Now it is $400 for a $1000 phone, so 40%. Higher material cost of the phone cost.

And no one batted an eyelash about price of a 3GS or iphone 4 with higher Apple margins per unit.

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More expensive insides equals more expensive phones even with lower profits Apple takes.

No one batted an eye at those products because they were great as compared to the competition at the time. Plenty of new Apple products aren’t great as compared to the competition, or even older Apple products, especially considering the price.

No one really cares about what the profit margin is, even if they say they do. They care about the quality of the product and the price. Old iPhones were absolutely revolutionary and were reasonably priced. Why pay substantially more for something that isn’t much better than prior products, and certainly isn’t revolutionary?
 
I get it. The product is more than the cost of the raw materials and there are costs for research, development and all the rest.

However... that doesn't explain why the keyboard folio for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro went from $169 to $199 while adding zero new features and the simple folio from $79 to $99.

Pricing is most definitely an indicator of luxury but Apple already had that. They have never offered inexpensive anything. The products are well made. Generally.

My read on this is that they have been blindsided by the criticism over pricing. There are times when they just don't get it and this is one of those times.

There’s something called inflation, too.
 
I get it. The product is more than the cost of the raw materials and there are costs for research, development and all the rest.

However... that doesn't explain why the keyboard folio for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro went from $169 to $199 while adding zero new features and the simple folio from $79 to $99.

Pricing is most definitely an indicator of luxury but Apple already had that. They have never offered inexpensive anything. The products are well made. Generally.

My read on this is that they have been blindsided by the criticism over pricing. There are times when they just don't get it and this is one of those times.
I wouldn’t mind the pricing if the products were worth it. They just aren’t. This is in relation to pricing of their products in the past and the competition.
 
It's been clear for years that shareholders are the only stakeholders Apple actually cares about. Virtually every utterance from the company over the years about wanting the best experience for customers has been completely disingenuous and a nothing more than PR spin.
 
Obviously Apple is a premium brand. You cant say no to that. I am glad that Apple exists as a premium brand in the tech field.They have little to no competition on the high end. People in the states & in Europe can easily afford Apple products. I just hope in the poorer regions of the world like India, Africa & South America Apple pushes the iPhone 6S,7 & iPad 10'. Those products are good enough for most people.
I agree it’s a premium brand. Too bad it no longer has premium products.
 
It's funny to me that people nowadays are so quick to criticize Apple and their products' prices. Apparently I'm old because I remember when Apple was a luxury brand... I mean, even the first iPhone was $699 for the 8GB model... something that was UNHEARD of at the time. I mean, I switched to that phone from a Motorola V600 which was, what, $160 at the time? And I went from a behemoth Gateway laptop that was huge and made out of plastic for somewhere around $550 to a 12" PowerBook G4 that was around $1,200. You're paying for not only performance, but the quality. I'm typing this on a 2013 MacBook Pro and I don't see myself getting rid of it anytime soon because it runs flawlessly and probably will for at least a few more years. And not only that, but when I *do* decide to upgrade to something new, I can guarantee that I'll be able to sell this laptop for at LEAST a third of what I originally paid for it... if not more. The resale value never seems to cross critics' minds for some reason.

It's entertaining because nowadays, everyone has/wants/needs a computer for their everyday lives, so everyone just assumes that every computer (or phone, or tablet, or whatever) should be priced to fit everyone's budget. That's just not how things work, whether millennials want to accept it or not. Want a cheap laptop? Go to Dell. Want a cheap phone? Check out Motorola. What a cheap tablet? Go to Costco and get some Amazon Kindle Fire Tablet Alexa blah blah blah. Want performance and quality and something that will cause you the least amount of headaches? Then work a few hours overtime and buy that Apple device you're complaining that you can't afford.
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If you're willing to spend a grand on a phone, a $15 charger isn't going to sway your decision. And here: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-gray-2.3ghz-dual-core-128gb# ... literally right on Apple's website, a MacBook Pro without a Touch Bar, and it's not even in the refurb store (where there are more options).

You use the original iPhone's price tag as an example in your argument, but forget that at the time it was a highly innovative product, way ahead of its time. We cannot say that about the current iPhones. In fact, they're behind the competition in many ways, yet are more expensive.

The main problem is they jack up their prices AFTER everyone has invested in the ecosystem, where it's not easy to switch like you say. At the same time, their growth in new sales has stalled, so they resort to nickeling and dining people on dongles and storage upgrades, etc. People feel as if they are being taken advantage of, and everyone's loyalty to the brand is being tested. I'm not sure what you stand to gain in being charged extra for things that other companies are providing free.
 
Apple’s pricing isn’t the problem. The problem is that the quality doesn’t match the price. For $2000+, a laptop ought to outperform the competition and not have a keyboard that fails in regular use. Neither should it have a TouchBar that, three years later, still has no software support to do anything useful. And it definitely should not have such awful battery life that people must download software to throttle the CPU deliberately in order to last through a coast-to-coast flight. THAT’S THE PROBLEM!

No problems here with my Apple products - a couple of laptops, 4 desktops, a few MacMini's, an iPhone, iPad, Watch, HomePod. All reliable.

The only issues I've had were with both of my cheese grater Mac Pros (one a logic board, the other a power supply). But that was when Apple was under the leadership of a different CEO. Zero issues since then.
 
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You use the original iPhone's price tag as an example in your argument, but forget that at the time it was a highly innovative product, way ahead of its time. We cannot say that about the current iPhones. In fact, they're behind the competition in many ways, yet are more expensive.

The main problem is they jack up their prices AFTER everyone has invested in the ecosystem, where it's not easy to switch like you say. At the same time, their growth in new sales has stalled, so they resort to nickeling and dining people on dongles and storage upgrades, etc. People feel as if they are being taken advantage of, and everyone's loyalty to the brand is being tested. I'm not sure what you stand to gain in being charged extra for things that other companies are providing free.

They’ve always nickeled and dimed on storage upgrades and accessories. This is nothing new.
 
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I agree it’s a premium brand. Too bad it no longer has premium products.

I wouldn't even go that far. A premium brand will at least provide complete products. If you buy the latest apple computer and latest iPhone, you can't even connect them together without buying an extra accessory. Imagine Louis Vuitton selling a purse and then charging more for the "optional" strap. Or Burberry selling you a shirt and the buttons come separately. There is nothing premium about Apple except the margins they are able to extract based on the rapidly dwindling goodwill they build up in the past. Apple is going to plunge over the same cliff that Sculley ran them off of -- after years of being the most profitable company in silicon valley. Except this time there's no Steve to put the wreckage back together.
 
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