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. I mean, even the first iPhone was $699 for the 8GB model... something that was UNHEARD of at the time. I mean, I switched to that phone from a Motorola V600 which was, what, $160 at the time?
You also forget Apple quickly slashed prices not long after release, and gave early buyers store credit.
 
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What do computer years have to do with Apple? It's not a computer company anymore, and the brainless twit of a CEO is wandering around the hallways of the spaceship muttering "Duh, what's a computer?"

If you seriously think the most successful CEO in the world who increased the size and sales of Apple by many times is a “brainless twit” you may want to rethink your outlook on life.
 
If you seriously think the most successful CEO in the world who increased the size and sales of Apple by many times is a “brainless twit” you may want to rethink your outlook on life.

If you think selling out a company for short term profit make a successful CEO, go read about John Sculley. He made Apple the most profitable company in Silicon Valley and he was the most highly paid CEO in America during his tenure at Apple. And his practices destroyed the company. Tim Crook is the spiritual reincarnation of him. He is using the exact same tactics Sculley did with the exact same result. And the market is already turning on Apple just as it did during the Sculley years you see it as so much more hostility here that you're complaining about. It is history repeating itself.

And then again, this is a forum about Apple products by and for people who like them. Why do you think a laser focus on profits means anything at all? I've said this to you before, but if all you care about are profits and have no passion for the product, go find a forum worshiping a bank or energy company. You'll be a lot happier there.
 
If you think selling out a company for short term profit make a successful CEO, go read about John Sculley. He made Apple the most profitable company in Silicon Valley and he was the most highly paid CEO in America during his tenure at Apple. And his practices destroyed the company. Tim Crook is the spiritual reincarnation of him. He is using the exact same tactics Sculley did with the exact same result. And the market is already turning on Apple just as it did during the Sculley years you see it as so much more hostility here that you're complaining about. It is history repeating itself.

And then again, this is a forum about Apple products by and for people who like them. Why do you think a laser focus on profits means anything at all? I've said this to you before, but if all you care about are profits and have no passion for the product, go find a forum worshiping a bank or energy company. You'll be a lot happier there.

“short term profit?’ The guy has been running the company since 2009.

As for the rest, you called the guy an idiot. He’s clearly not.
 
put higher margins on larger SSDs so that they can lower the prices on the base SSDs. it's a standard corporate pricing strategy
Few of the Apple-hate crowd understand that Apple uses the higher margin SKUs (of which they sell relatively few) to subsidize the entry level models in a given product line, giving them the margin they need on a weighted-average basis across all SKUs.

But how could they possibly be expected to wrap their head around this concept? They’re already convinced the entry level model is “overpriced” so their eyes just spin if you try to explain this pricing technique.
 
Apple's products have a surprising number of issues these days too, battery, screen issues, hard drive problems, keyboard, audio bugs, FaceTime, etc. Nobody's perfect and Apple operates at an incredible scale but I'd expect much better out of a luxury brand. I was ready to spend $1000 on an iPad Pro but decided to stick with my old iPad Air 2 for now because of the bending issues. I just don't want to deal with it.

Do they really, though? Or do we just see everyone under the sun talking about issues because we're members of an Apple products website? In my home office, I have 4 iPhones, 4 iPads, an iMac, two MacBook Pros, two Mac Minis, two MacBook Airs, an Airport Extreme, and I'm sure I'm missing something else, but whatevs. I literally can't remember the last time I've had a hardware issue. But yeah, I'm sure that a bunch of people here and there have a one-off issue and they come here to talk about it or ask for advice. I don't think this website is an accurate portrayal of Apple's reliability.
 
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As for the rest, you called the guy an idiot. He’s clearly not.

I called him a brainless twit who has no idea what a computer is or what tech products have to do with Apple. As a fan of Apple products who could not care less how much profit Apple makes off each sale, I stand by my comment. He clearly is an idiot.

Rather than talk about Apple products he wants to rant against hate speech. While Apple is a platform that made promoters of hate speech like Dre into billionaires. Again, he clearly is an idiot.
 
Few of the Apple-hate crowd understand that Apple uses the higher margin SKUs (of which they sell relatively few) to subsidize the entry level models in a given product line, giving them the margin they need on a weighted-average basis across all SKUs.

But how could they possibly be expected to wrap their head around this concept? They’re already convinced the entry level model is “overpriced” so their eyes just spin if you try to explain this pricing technique.

Their brains would explode if they saw how Tesla charges for battery increments. (Especially given that all the cars have the biggest battery, and they just don’t enable it all unless you pay).
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I called him a brainless twit who has no idea what a computer is or what tech products have to do with Apple. As a fan of Apple products who could not care less how much profit Apple makes off each sale, I stand by my comment.
I guess you’d know that sort of thing. Thanks for educating the rest of us.
 
I called him a brainless twit who has no idea what a computer is or what tech products have to do with Apple. As a fan of Apple products who could not care less how much profit Apple makes off each sale, I stand by my comment. He clearly is an idiot.

Rather than talk about Apple products he wants to rant against hate speech. While Apple is a platform that made promoters of hate speech like Dre into billionaires. Again, he clearly is an idiot.
I was thinking about this independently earlier.

During the steve jobs era, tech companies did not deal in politics. Steve was “positionless” on many issues and didnt let apple get roped into much. Gates was retired and becoming an activist, woz was always a free thinker, but the industry was about the race to make better products.

Once Steve died, Cook and friends all of a sudden turned silicon valley into the world political power brokers. Now its a race to see who can control more people, more speech, more content, more private data.

It always seemed fishy to be that steve died of a disease most people who can afford treatment survive...
 
I was thinking about this independently earlier.

During the steve jobs era, tech companies did not deal in politics. Steve was “positionless” on many issues and didnt let apple get roped into much.

Once Steve died, Cook and friends all of a sudden turned silicon valley into the world political power brokers. It always seemed fishy to be that steve died of a disease most people who can afford treatment survive...

Oh, goody. This again.

Though with a conspiracy theory twist? Nice.

p.s.: Steve didn’t seek treatment at first. He probably died needlessly because he believed a crackpot diet could cure him and waited until it was too late to die of the one form of pancreatic cancer that can actually often be successfully treated.
 
I think that Apple needs to take a serious look at future pricing. I don't think a lot of people (especially those in their 20s) will continue paying increased prices, even with new products and technology. The monetary saturation point is approaching quickly.

I appreciate Apple products, service, and overall mission. However, I am not going to pay $2k for a phone. I have no problem holding onto my devices longer, instead of upgrading regularly. Even if one has money, that doesn't necessarily mean one should throw it into the wind.


Approaching? It's long past! Just check debt to income ratios lol
 
I agree it’s a premium brand. Too bad it no longer has premium products.

Not sure what you are counting as premium? The $2000 folding phones from Korea and China? If that’s what your complaint is about, then go buy them and leave the rest of Apple-using folks alone.

You use the original iPhone's price tag as an example in your argument, but forget that at the time it was a highly innovative product, way ahead of its time. We cannot say that about the current iPhones. In fact, they're behind the competition in many ways, yet are more expensive.

The main problem is they jack up their prices AFTER everyone has invested in the ecosystem, where it's not easy to switch like you say. At the same time, their growth in new sales has stalled, so they resort to nickeling and dining people on dongles and storage upgrades, etc. People feel as if they are being taken advantage of, and everyone's loyalty to the brand is being tested. I'm not sure what you stand to gain in being charged extra for things that other companies are providing free.

Not to sure how they are behind. Do you mean in hardware? Because in software their OSes are still ahead of everyone.

They’ve always nickeled and dimed on storage upgrades and accessories. This is nothing new.
Exactly, there has ALWAYS been an Apple Tax. Not sure what bunker all these folks have been in all these years.
 
The lack of innovation to justify the price increases is what Tim Cook brought to the table.

Sure. Let’s pretend someone didn’t post exactly the same thing on this website back in the days when everyone on here was bitching about Steve Jobs just releasing new iPod colors instead of innovating.
 
There may be a legitimate reason Apple does not include fast charging in box. Fast charging is not good for battery health. General rule of thumb for Li-Po batteries: heat is bad and fast charing heats up battery.
 
I get it. The product is more than the cost of the raw materials and there are costs for research, development and all the rest.

However... that doesn't explain why the keyboard folio for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro went from $169 to $199 while adding zero new features and the simple folio from $79 to $99.

Pricing is most definitely an indicator of luxury but Apple already had that. They have never offered inexpensive anything. The products are well made. Generally.

My read on this is that they have been blindsided by the criticism over pricing. There are times when they just don't get it and this is one of those times.

For historical reference, the Apple Smart Keyboard Folio basically combines the Apple Smart Keyboard and the Apple Silicone Case, which I bought from Apple at a combined cost of ($169 + $79) $248USD. If you look at it that way, the $199 cost is not that bad.

The downside of the new Folio, however, is the lack of edge protection on the iPad Pro, so it’s not all hot dogs and Skittles from a true drop protection perspective.

The rise in the price of the Apple Pencil from $99 to $129 irritates me way more than the Smart Keyboard folio price hike.

Lastly, who thought it was a good idea to release a Pencil whose ONLY source of charging capability was the iPad Pro itself and without an alternate wireless charging mechanism? The lack of AirPower being a shipping product is really disappointing.

This also illustrates a form over function issue as Apple solved two issues (lost Pencil/dead Pencil), but created two new problems (limited charging option/limited case protection to preserve the limited charging option. The latter outweighs the former in my mind in terms of a bad design decision.
 
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For historical reference, the Apple Smart Keyboard Folio basically combines the Apple Smart Keyboard and the Apple Silicone Cover, which I bought from Apple at a combined cost of ($169 + $79) $248USD. If you look at it that way, the $199 cost is not that bad.

The downside of the new Folio, however, is the lack of edge protection on the iPad Pro, so it’s not all hot dogs and Skittles from a true drop protection perspective.

The rise in the price of the Apple Pencil from $99 to $129 irritates me way more than the Smart Keyboard folio price hike.

Lastly, who thought it was a good idea to release a Pencil whose ONLY source of charging capability was the iPad Pro itself and without an alternate wireless charging mechanism? The lack of AirPower being a shipping product is really disappointing.

This also illustrates a form over function issue as Apple solved two issues (lost Pencil/dead Pencil), but created two new problems (limited charging option/limited case protection to preserve the limited charging option. The latter outweighs the former in my mind in terms of a bad design decision.

I’m surprised you find the pencil charging a problem. It’s always attached to my iPad so it’s always charged - i like this much better than the old pencil (which had lots of charging options and yet, for me, was always discharged).

Now, the stupid tap thing, on the other hand (I can’t do the tap thing. It’s like trying to use chopsticks with my non-dominant hand - my fingers just don’t go that way, and whenever i try to do it the pencil falls out of my hand),.
 
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