Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

[veggies]

I am a big fan of Apple products, but it is a bit of a biff to tout a product as being the best way to experience the web when it's pretty easy to see that that's not the case with the iPad. I understand that flash is a bit of a hog but I mean if the other tablet companies are using it, then why can't apple? FAIL. The iPad is such an amazing device that will perform less than expected in the marketplace do to this MASSIVE oversight. Like someone said before, no flash in the iPhone is understandable, no flash in the iPad goes against everything that Apple says the iPad is.

I agree that this is a risk, but I can't call it an oversight. Nor do I agree that Apple "can't" use Flash. It's pretty clear they are choosing not to. Jobs isn't an idiot. He knew what sites he was going to visit on that onstage demo.* Apple knows what they are doing (and I don't mean that they are RIGHT. Just that they are doing this Flash-block on purpose).

Whether it backfires remains to be seen.

* the advertising video and images was also intentional and shady, in my opinion. But I don't think it changes the idea that Apple is purposeful in its Flash-stance.

 

[Jphillippe]

whole internet in your hands concept is a gimmick. I love their laptops but Apple ever since they launched the iPod have lost their touch. It's like a very unpopular new restaurant, the food is always sooo good and then they gain popularity and they worry more about quantity than quality. So saddd

 

[lex750]

Computer geeks can make robots that crush the world

I'd settle for a "revolutionary" device, that offers "the best web experience".

 

[Veri]

From Wiki

That couldn't be less precise. In what way does Flash not comply? If the answer is "well, Flash isn't specified by a W3C committee", please indicate.

 

[50548]

Fixed it for you.

Like the iPod and the iPhone back in the day, right?

 

[Virtuon]

Why because you think Jobs is a god? He's one foot closer to the grave than most of us. You can't take it with you.

You may be physically stronger, but he's mentally stronger. You could kick him and knock him in the grave, but do you have the mental strength to tell him what you think? Doubt you ever would, even if you had the chance.

 

[Peace]

Maybe because this thread is entitled, "Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability"?

This thread is about Apple changing a promo and is NOT about whether or not Flash/no Flash is good or evil on the iPad.

I will repeat myself. If you are NOT going to buy one of these WHY come in here and complain about it?

I don't go to some Dell board and complain about their hardware because I don't want one.

 

[0092762]

I have a PS3 at home for watching blu-rays and I couldn't care less if my next laptop had it. Most blurays these days come with digital copies you can play on your mac, and I'm definitely not going to notice much difference in my 13" unibody macbook screen. I can see the 27" imac needing bluray but not my 13" macbook.

 

[veggies]

The thing is the average consumer doesn't know what flash is. Ask some one
off the street and they can't tell you. Im not pretending to know what HTML5 is but when i went to youtube and switched my player to it 3 of my old windows computers were able to play video which is amazing because Flash crashes them instantly.

Could Apple make it so that all embedded Flash plays in HTML5?

The average person who uses HULU will know what it is if they try to watch TV on their iPad. But here's the thing: would HULU rather switch from Flash to give access to more people (iPad and laptops and netbooks, etc) or stick with Flash and limit who can watch the content? I strongly suspect HULU will pull a YouTube in the coming months.

 

[mavis]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3GS (JB3.1, unlocked): Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

Pretty ballsy to show the missing plugin there. I like it. Bye bye flash.

My feelings exactly.I think it's kinda funny.

 

[killerrobot]

But I think it's Apple creating a visible, public standoff with Adobe over this. They're gambling that people will come to see sites that use Flash (and hence, won't work on their iPads and iPhones) as broken, instead of blaming Apple for not implementing something in their browser. It's a big gamble but it should be interesting to see it play out. I think Adobe has the most to lose here. If it gets bad, Apple can just allow Flash support, but if these devices get really popular and Flash becomes not ubiquitous, they'll lose the almost universal support they've enjoyed.

I think you're forgetting about all of computer users (Mac or PC)that use flash everyday in your equation.
(30 million iPhones and iPod touch + O iPads < 1 Billion Computers)
Apple has no leverage in this matter.

 

[dukebound85]

Like the iPod and the iPhone back in the day, right?

Past success != future success

 

[MRU]

Looks great... I'm loving the full internet experience already.....

Seriously though, why didn't they just use a page without Flash period ?

 

[Allen Werner]

Flash has been a multimedia, cross-platform web standard for a very, very long time.

Flash has never been a standard. It is a proprietary plug-in with the corporate interests of Adobe behind it.

What makes HTML 5 a standard is that is has been researched and agreed upon by the World Wide Web Consortium and Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group, both international web standards organizations.

Though both of these may be underwritten by corporations like Apple and Google, they are more intellectual organizations rather competing corporations.

 

[50548]

This thread is about Apple changing a promo and is NOT about whether or not Flash/no Flash is good or evil on the iPad.

I will repeat myself. If you are NOT going to buy one of these WHY come in here and complain about it?

I don't go to some Dell board and complain about their hardware because I don't want one.

Because unfortunately this forum has become, over the years, a magnet for Windows-loving whiners and trolls...we should get used to that.

 

[Luc@]

There are actually 3 different videos online.
The "original" one, from the 27th:
http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100127_848x480.mov

Another one, from the 28th:
http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100128_848x480.mov

And then another from the 30th:
http://movies.apple.com/media/us/ipad/2010/tours/apple-ipad-video-us-20100130_848x480.mov

I don't know what's different in the 28th one, I'm still downloading both new videos.

 

[HiRez]

Looks great... I'm loving the full internet experience already.....

Seriously though, why didn't they just use a page without Flash period ?

My theory is they're trying to publicly embarrass sites that use Flash and trying to flip "unsupported" on their end to "uses proprietary plugins" on the other.

 

[pmz]

...or perhaps they like the other features of the phone- such as- say- the phone functionality to put up with the lack of this ONE feature.

Hundreds of millions of people pay taxes, but I wouldn't take that as a mandate that they like it that way.

Similarly, I wouldn't sling around the number of iPhone/Touch users like their purchase was solely a vote against Flash. I say they voted for a superior smart phone experience... 1. but, in exchange for all the great stuff, they put up with stuff that is less than ideal.

There are abundant uses of Flash on websites that is not just ads (for example, there's TONs of interactive educational presentations developed in Flash). There are abundant tools for educators to make it easy to render in Flash (allowing them to educate in rich media ways without having to be- or pay- a Flash programmer). These tools do not exist for matching the experience via HTML5, etc. Flash runs on just about every computer and every computer platform; HTML5 is still not compatible across just the major browsers. Will this change in time? Sure. But doing without until that time comes- just because Apple has arbitrarily decided it for us- is a poor cause to get behind (unless you're the type that Apple could tell you that the moon is made of cheese, and you would agree... just because "so sayeth the Steve").

As others have suggested, wouldn't it be better to include Flash as an OPTION for each user, making it clear to them that by using it, they are likely to see faster battery burn?

Or very, very simply: 2. Is it really the very best option that Apple chooses to decide such matters for us?

3. If Steve takes the stage next year and tells us that freedom of speech is just a big bag of hurt, would some of you be on here afterwards saying how right he is, people talk too much anyway? I dig Apple, have lots of Apple products, etc, but some of this fanboy stuff is almost cult-like. Step back and think about it before you just accept that Apple is all-knowing & all-seeing and worse... always right about all things.

1. As in every product ever produced, anywhere.
2. This nonsense comment has to stop being repeated. Your buying decision is your decision. If you want this Apple product, you don't get Flash on the internetz. It couldn't be simpler, which is why the monkeys around here are in such a frenzy.
3. Yes, just like when Bush tells you Freedom of speech isn't important, his supporters lapped it up. When Obama continues to tell you it's not important, his supporters lap it up.

Intelligent people think for themselves, and are not "forced" into anything, by anyone. Least of all Steve Jobs.

That said, I have no problem ignoring the entire web of worthless Flash content.

 

[dukebound85]

Because unfortunately this forum has become, over the years, a magnet for Windows-loving whiners and trolls...we should get used to that.

Or there are members here who do not agree with Apple's moves, you know in an objective light.....

There is a term that applies to those who believe Apple can never do anything wrong you know

 

[Peace]

Because unfortunately this forum has become, over the years, a magnet for Windows-loving whiners and trolls...we should get used to that.

That's very true. Biggest mistake Apple ever made was allowing Windows to infiltrate the Apple brand.

This crap is keeping me and many others from having an intelligent discussion all because some 15 year old script kiddie/jailbreaking whiner deems it necessary to confirm his/her ignorance.


BAM!

 

[crees!]

In what way is HTML 5 more standard than Flash? Explain your answer carefully.

HTML 5 is an open standard. Flash is not, it's a proprietary plugin. Apple throws it's weight behind standards.

 

[Virtuon]

Adobe Response

Adobe plays the porn card... Cheap move, cheap move.

 

[MacFly123]

I would just like to say that although it can be annoying to not be able to watch hulu and some other things, I FULLY SUPPORT Apple in ridding the entire world and internet of Flash FOREVER and using HMTL5 and APPROVED web standards!!! Flash sucks and has held up the progression of technology and the internet for many years, it has also made it a more dangerous, less secure environment!

There might be some growing pains, but I am ALL FOR IT, and I am glad that Apple and Google are taking a stand!

P.S. Can someone tell me how to save the iPad video? I have QuickTime pro and the old QuickTime 7, but I can't remember what I did to save these kinds of videos before when Apple embeds them without controls!

 

[ipadsad]

I appreciate the Apple fandom and all. If next year, Steve says that color screens are too much of a battery hog that Apple is going to swing to black & white only on all devices, will you be back on here agreeing with that decision too?

That would be a feature! THIS PAD IS LOADED WITH FEATURES! (sarcasm... just so most of the readers here won't think I'm being literal)

 

[Victor ch]

Having Flash failing upon me constantly on my MacBook I kinda get Apple at excluding it from the iPad, still It'll be nice to see some of those vids and slideshows (pr0n and others too ) on the iPad. Not that this is holding me back from getting one as soon as they come out