YES! I would be a terrible source to quote for this so-called rumor. A rumor that is full of holes but which you and others are patting yourselves on the back over.
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Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
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YES! I would be a terrible source to quote for this so-called rumor. A rumor that is full of holes but which you and others are patting yourselves on the back over.
How about the reason the artificial "eyes" are effing creepy? Secondly it's too heavy. Thirdly batterylife. Fourthly you'd need a Mac. Fifthly who is ever ready to become a surrogate? After all it's a high priced toy that shows what's possible. However it seems to me it's a proper "second, third..." external monitor. For now. That thing has true potential once the initial designs challenges are ironed out.
That’s probably why the 2nd gen is expected to be so far away.
Incremental releases which don’t solve the key issues would just tarnish the brand; best to stay quiet, people seem to accept that the OG is an early adopter/developer device, and only show something when they have something MUCH better.
A product in search of demand, trying to solve for a problem that doesn’t exist. And that for $3500.
So, to recap:
In July of 2023, Forbes Magazine said that due to production issues, Apple could only produce around 400K in the first year.
Kuo now says that Apple has cut the shipments this year to 450K, which would be 50K more than was previously expected. How is 50K more than previously expected a "cut?"
But now all of you are patting yourselves on the back for your keen critical thinking skills in predicting failure 👏
In July of 2023, Forbes Magazine said that due to production issues, Apple could only produce around 400K in the first year.
Kuo now says that Apple has cut the shipments this year to 450K, which would be 50K more than was previously expected. How is 50K more than previously expected a "cut?"
But now all of you are patting yourselves on the back for your keen critical thinking skills in predicting failure 👏
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Oh, sweetie, nobody really cares. It’s a flop.
iPadOS Fork is not the problem, as much as what they promised. I still remember (and I am going to die on this hill) when Tim Cook, said VR was not worth it, and that Apple was going to bring a full blown AR experience.
As I was testing my uinit, that is what really felt like a letdown that something as untrivial like Maps was still a 2D application like it runs on my ipad or my macbook Pro.
I still remember fondly how back in 2013. when Google released their Glass experiment, 11yrs ago, they provided a primitive AR UI on top of Google Maps that at that time was mind blowing. I paid $1300 for my Dev Glass device and was worth every penny.
Then Apple comes 11yrs later and releases a $3500 Vision Pro, that cant do BASIC AR with maps? I put it in the box and shipped it right before the deadline was due...
I was incredibly disappointed. The team at my work that was going to use this, is now looking at the HTC Vive Pro, which is a VR headset, and coyuld do some mild AR... but until Apple revises what they did here, that thing is worthless.
We returned ALL 500 units and only kept like 25 for "testing"...
The headline might imply that, but that's why we actually read the article and then use our critical thinking skills to draw conclusions. Analysts like Kuo use a variety of sources like parts suppliers and even potentially some mid-level (off the record) sources within Apple itself to come up with their figures. If at one point the majority of his sources were saying Apple's orders/plans point to 700-800k units, then he's probably going to conclude 700-800k units. If his sources are now saying 400-450k units then he's going to change his estimates. A ramification of this would be that Apple went from estimating they'd be able to sell 700-800k units and now expect to only be able to sell 400-450k units and will have made this apparent through reduced/revised orders to suppliers. Of course Apple is unlikely to ever come out and say publicly how many units they expect to move or that they're officially making cuts, as I'm sure such info is just another closely guarded secret.
Finally something we can agree on.YES! I would be a terrible source to quote for this so-called rumor. A rumor that is full of holes but which you and others are patting yourselves on the back over.
So, if he had that as his number, can you point me to where he made that claim before?
And if that WAS the number, it puts my "guess" that you keep making fun of in much better company and light, no?
Critical thinking would have you questioning the basis of these rumors and not just using them to confirm your pre-existing bias, right?
It’s time to Tim go home. Nothing really new during his tenure.
In the end, the demographic that can spend $3499 (+ taxes) for an AVP can get most of what it offers in devices they already own, devices that offer far better value/$, and offer way superior ergonomics, speed and precision than AVP does with its high-tech tracking hardware and microphones.
If typing, editing, manipulating files, etc., using the "hands gestures +eye tracking" that AVP offers was just on-par with what we can do with physical peripherals, like keyboards, tablet pens, mice, mixing boards, controllers, etc., then AVP would at-least have been a hit with professionals.
The Minority Report-UI fantasy is still something a lot would pay handsomely to live out irl.
But as long as the whole package can't either be on-par with or (preferably) superior to using your "old" mice and keyboard, then AVP will never take off.
If typing, editing, manipulating files, etc., using the "hands gestures +eye tracking" that AVP offers was just on-par with what we can do with physical peripherals, like keyboards, tablet pens, mice, mixing boards, controllers, etc., then AVP would at-least have been a hit with professionals.
The Minority Report-UI fantasy is still something a lot would pay handsomely to live out irl.
But as long as the whole package can't either be on-par with or (preferably) superior to using your "old" mice and keyboard, then AVP will never take off.
Where's the marketing? YOU'VE GOT TO PUSH THIS THING!!! Two weeks ago there was a total eclipse of the sun that stretched from Mexico to Canada. Not everybody got to experience it. But it was apparently spectacular. There would be lines at Apple stores right now if anybody at Apple had said "Hey let's professionally record it and add it to the demo of the VisionPro in our stores!" I would stand in line for an hour to watch that. Would that result in big sales? Who knows? BUT... would it get people talking? Anticipating the next generation? YES!
No, but you're free to search for your own sources. I tend to take these rumors at face value unless they're known to be from unreliable sources. Typically they're going to be more in the know than a random nobody on a forum like you or me. I will however take into consideration other relevant factors, like the fact that this device is $4000 all in and has limited and compromised use cases.
And bias? The reality is that at the end of the day I broadly like Apple products, hence why I have owned many over the last nearly two decades, tend to watch most of their keynotes, and am a long-time member of this very Apple forum. If Apple makes a version of a product, that's typically the version I own. Phone? iPhone. Computer? MBP. Tablet? iPad. Watch? Apple Watch. Streaming box? Apple TV. Earbuds? Beats. Wifi? Still rocking my Time Capsules. Smart home devices? All HomeKit/Matter. I could hardly be more entrenched in the Apple experience if I tried. Folks like me surely account for less than 1% of the population and so I should absolutely be one of the easiest targets for Apple to make excited to purchase this product. But I'm not. If Apple can't even manage to make somebody like me want to purchase this, what does that say for the population at large?
Finally, you arriving at 750k sales does not put you in good company, at least not based on merit, though I can understand why you might think that. Kuo would have arrived at 750k based on info from industry insiders and suppliers and his analysis of that information. Information that appears to have also since changed. You arrived at that number by assuming Apple would sell basically every unit they could potentially make, which is a highly tenuous assumption. Kuo arrives at his number by indirectly sussing out Apple’s expectations. You arrive at your number by assuming everyone and their mother will be clamoring to throw their money at an expensive and niche piece of tech. Those two things are not the same.
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I have no need for this thing, but can imagine could it becoming popular with gamers.
Also it would be cool to wear one when considering buying a new home far away and doing a virtual walkthrough.