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Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
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Look, I'm happy to have given you a bit of glee today, but you're misusing my statement and the statement I made about this rumor. I'm some rando on the internet, I'm not a professional prognosticator and I was questioning the basis of this rumor. I wasn't saying 'who said that' in reference to our discussions on MacRumors; I was asking who said that in any official capacity, because that hasn't been the guestimate of how many Apple would ship for a long time. Again, the number was around 400K. So some rumor now saying that the new number has been lowered to 450K when we all thought the number was 400K makes this rumor silly.
But carry on. I get that this thread is red meat for the haters.
700-800K?!? What was Tim smoking? Even 400-450K is questionable. They probably need to bring the price down and give us some killer apps for even those numbers to materialize. Most who purchased the Vision Pro and are willing to be honest with us will admit that if they had known what their experience with the Vision would be like, they probably would’ve decided to wait for the second or third generation (if Apple decides to give us a second or third generation).
I wouldn't say it's in defense of Tim Cook, but he was put into this position because Apple needed someone like him to scale into what it is now. Yes, it needs "something" new but I don't think turning a billion ton tanker on a dime is going to happen. This is not much different from when Ballmer took over Microsoft, really. And Apple came along nimbly knocking them down. Apple is that behemoth now.
I imagine the C suite as a whole is what makes the decisions for new products, and I get the impression that those are the people that really need to get out of the way.
Lol not haters. Just folks who observe what's going on, use reason and critical thinking to analyze, and then come to conclusions about it. It doesn't take a genius to realize that a $4k device with limited and in some ways compromised use cases isn't going to set the world on fire. However it does require being able to think even slightly critically about Apple. I myself hope Apple can revolutionize on this front one day, but this device at this price ain't it.Look, I'm happy to have given you a bit of glee today, but you're misusing my statement and the statement I made about this rumor. I'm some rando on the internet, I'm not a professional prognosticator and I was questioning the basis of this rumor. I wasn't saying 'who said that' in reference to our discussions on MacRumors; I was asking who said that in any official capacity, because that hasn't been the guestimate of how many Apple would ship for a long time. Again, the number was around 400K. So some rumor now saying that the new number has been lowered to 450K when we all thought the number was 400K makes this rumor silly.
But carry on. I get that this thread is red meat for the haters.
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I don't get the impression that Apple is going to sweep this product line under the rug. It was simply launched too early.
So then, with all your critical thinking and reasoning, answer my initial question. Where was it widely believed that Apple would sell 700 to 800K?
It’s not so much red meat for the “haters”, but the reality that not every thing Apple does will succeed, at least not at first. I would prefer Apple succeed, but that’s not always the case. Maybe the next generation will be a different story. It took a while for the iPhone to get going. Just don’t pretend like it’s a success story when so far it’s not.Look, I'm happy to have given you a bit of glee today, but you're misusing my statement and the statement I made about this rumor. I'm some rando on the internet, I'm not a professional prognosticator and I was questioning the basis of this rumor. I wasn't saying 'who said that' in reference to our discussions on MacRumors; I was asking who said that in any official capacity, because that hasn't been the guestimate of how many Apple would ship for a long time. Again, the number was around 400K. So some rumor now saying that the new number has been lowered to 450K when we all thought the number was 400K makes this rumor silly.
But carry on. I get that this thread is red meat for the haters.
I bet it doesn't make it to gen 3. This technology is still too early for anything close to mainstream.
I would see the only use case for the device – for people with certain health conditions, for those who don’t walk or who rarely leave their apartments.
Battery life is pathetic. I know it is first gen. I know it has M2 processors. But c’mon, it is a wearable device. Portable (supposed to be) device. I wonder this thing is fanless, imagine if it also had fans spinning on your head? I can see the possible marketing slogan “Cool. Down. And. See”.
Another problem is such device is supposed to be used non-stop. Taking it on and off your head takes time. It is not like you grab a phone and Google something. And don’t forget about human attention – people get bored from content after 10 minutes and often have to relax and watch somewhere else and not on the display.
Maybe it is all futuristic and stuff but… I barely get it. Even calling from Apple Watch looks more futuristic than this
Battery life is pathetic. I know it is first gen. I know it has M2 processors. But c’mon, it is a wearable device. Portable (supposed to be) device. I wonder this thing is fanless, imagine if it also had fans spinning on your head? I can see the possible marketing slogan “Cool. Down. And. See”.
Another problem is such device is supposed to be used non-stop. Taking it on and off your head takes time. It is not like you grab a phone and Google something. And don’t forget about human attention – people get bored from content after 10 minutes and often have to relax and watch somewhere else and not on the display.
Maybe it is all futuristic and stuff but… I barely get it. Even calling from Apple Watch looks more futuristic than this
Oh, I know they’re committed to a second generation. Beyond that is the question. Time will tell.
Your initial question didn't say anything about "widely believed." It said:
To which my answer was "you." I don't know off-hand which analysts may have said 700-800k. Maybe somebody was using you as a source lmao.
Again, that you're focused on what I said on MacRumors to answer the very basis of this entire thread has me wondering about all that critical thinking you keep patting yourself on the back for
This rumor is silly. He even says in the rumor that "Apple is now not expected to release a new version in 2025" when he previously stated that Apple wouldn't release a new version till 2027. So, it's news now that it won't happen in 2025 when he previously said 2027?
What did you think would happen? They come out in tax season so people would use that cash infusion to purchase them. What probably happened was most people said no thanks! Just don't want them. The most devout apple followers bought them. Many people probably used the money in other places(house,car) and some probably thought how many phones could I upgrade for the dorky looking glasses price tag? They may be the future but they are just not taking over now.
Apple has dropped the number of Vision Pro units that it plans to ship in 2024, going from an expected 700 to 800k units to just 400k to 450k units, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
Orders have been scaled back before the Vision Pro has launched in markets outside of the United States, which Kuo says is a sign that demand in the U.S. has "fallen sharply beyond expectations." As a result, Apple is expected to take a "conservative view" of headset demand when the Vision Pro launches in additional countries.
Kuo previously said that Apple will introduce the Vision Pro in new markets before the June Worldwide Developers Conference, which suggests that we could see it available in additional areas in the next month or so.
Apple is expecting Vision Pro shipments to decline year-over-year in 2025 compared to 2024, and the company is said to be "reviewing and adjusting" its headset product roadmap. Kuo does not believe there will be a new Vision Pro model in 2025, an adjustment to a prior report suggesting a modified version of the Vision Pro would enter mass production late next year.
In a February report, Kuo said that Apple was working to improve the efficiency of production and supply change management, with little change to the product specifications and user experience. At the time, Kuo estimated that we would not see a Vision Pro with significant updates until 2027.
Kuo believes that Apple needs to work to address the lack of key applications, price, and comfort without impacting user experience. Poor Vision Pro sales is expected to impact the growth of pancake lenses and the adoption of microOLED display technology in small-sized consumer electronics.
Article Link: Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
Apple Vision Pro Shipments May Reach Up To 800,000 Units In 2024, New Low-Cost Version Not Expected Before Q4 2025 At The Earliest
An analyst predicts that the ‘better than expected’ demand of the Apple Vision Pro will mean that shipments may reach 800,000 units in 2024
Who launches products for tax season? I'm sure their goal would have been the holiday season but it wasn't possible... You shouldn't be getting much back from taxes, you should be as close to zero as possible if you're paying throughout the year.
No surprise. Much like every other VR/AR headset it's a solution looking for a problem - it's most compelling use case is gaming and that only goes so far, especially at that price. Ultimately most folks don't want something strapped to their face. This will continue to be a niche product at least until the technology is something closer to putting on a pair of glasses.
Read the linked article in the OP. Kuo cites the 700-800k as being "market consensus". You'll have to ask him for sources or clarification on exactly what that means. Maybe he saw what you said and believed it? Are you saying that wouldn't be a good idea??Again, that you're focused on what I said on MacRumors to answer the very basis of this entire thread has me wondering about all that critical thinking you keep patting yourself on the back for
This rumor is silly. He even says in the rumor that "Apple is now not expected to release a new version in 2025" when he previously stated that Apple wouldn't release a new version till 2027. So, it's news now that it won't happen in 2025 when he previously said 2027?
Also, read your own article you posted:
"It is currently estimated that new models with significant changes to the Vision Pro specification may not be in mass production until 2027." To me this implies an AVP 2.
"Kuo does expect a modified Vision Pro to enter mass production in late 2025 to early 2026, but he said Apple is focused on improving costs and production, leading him to believe that the "user experience will not differ from the current model." It is possible these changes might not even be announced to the public, beyond a potential price cut. To me this implies an under the hood revision to the existing device that results in cheaper production costs for Apple. It sounds like there is some doubt that this will happen now.
Fine. But again, I'm looking for something more official.Apple Vision Pro Shipments May Reach Up To 800,000 Units In 2024, New Low-Cost Version Not Expected Before Q4 2025 At The Earliest
An analyst predicts that the ‘better than expected’ demand of the Apple Vision Pro will mean that shipments may reach 800,000 units in 2024wccftech.com
Let's back up. The headline on this article says "Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'"
This suggests that the number Kuo is quoting is from a source at Apple. That they are cutting their estimates from 700 to 800K; but that isn't what Kuo says about the source of the number. He says that figure was a "market consensus" not anything from Apple. So how can Apple "cut" shipments if that number isn't from Apple?
Maybe if they gave us macOS fork instead of poop iPadOS fork, maybe more people would drop heavy $$$?