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Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard
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I have only one thing to say. I'm typing this on a mid-2012 MacBook Pro. Everything works perfectly, still, including the keyboard, which has never given me a hint of trouble. I'll buy a new MacBook Pro when the awful butterfly keyboard is retired. Why is Apple so f**king stubborn? It's a character flaw to continue insisting you're right when all the evidence shows otherwise.
SSD upgrade pricing is still out of this world. I wonder what they are thinking.
The evidence shows otherwise?
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...em-to-improve-reliability-and-thats-not-great
"Overall, the total number of service calls is lower for both the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pro, versus the older models, even including the keyboard failures."
Hmmmm. Alrighty. I'll have to take your word on that one.
I have seen numbers that support the statement I made. But I cannot disclose why and how and where I got those. Anyhow that’s still a 50% chance that the keyboard you have works just fine.
Now this, I have to agree on. Surprised more people aren't complaining about this. I've had coworkers setup https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-960-...ng+SSD+1TB+M2&qid=1558473496&s=gateway&sr=8-7 these SSDs for under $330 in a new computer.
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To those people saying they have no issues with their butterfly keyboard, I respond by saying that your esteemed opinion doesn't mean the keyboard is therefore good. Go to a library, sit down at a desk and start typing on that sh*tty keyboard that you say is so great and look around at all the people sitting nearby flinching with every loud CLACK CLACK CLACK as you type. It may not happen to bother you, but compared to other people typing on their other laptops, it's just disgusting being subjected to that butterfly keyboard noise when you're trying to study or read.
I do need to upgrade my aging MacBook Pro, but until that inherently flawed butterfly keyboard is killed off I'm just not buying.
I do need to upgrade my aging MacBook Pro, but until that inherently flawed butterfly keyboard is killed off I'm just not buying.
This! Years ago, when most long time Apple customers expected and got high quality hardware, software, and service from the company, "trolling" consisted primarily of so-called "Apple haters", who often had never been Apple customers. This was mostly during the days of Apple's ascension on the return of Jobs in the mid-90s, when Microsoft fans would often express derision about Apple on Apple forums just to stir the pot. This was also around the period of the "I'm a PC; I'm a Mac" commercials, before iOS devices became a priority and Mac development was of primary importance to the company. The last several years have engendered more derision from long time Apple customers, particularly those disappointed in Apple's neglect of the Mac line overall. I can see myself perhaps partially coming back into the fold if, say, they'd release an MBP with the pre-2016 keyboard design, a form factor sufficient for adequate cooling and proper cable routing, socketed parts which could be upgraded, more ports so dongles aren't needed when travelling, and stellar service and support when issues crop up (which used to be rare). I participate in this forum as I'm still (so far) interested in the directions Apple is taking, having been a customer for decades. Even though I've lost faith in many of their current product lines, I still find myself interested in other issues such as iTunes copyright problems, security concerns, and how political shifts (tariffs, factory conditions, etc.) affect the company in pricing and the like. And even if I don't like Apple's design choices of late, I'd like to at least see them offer adequate support for customers with issues. This forum, along with personal experiences, help me keep track of this stuff.
I am typing all the time with my MBP and I don't find it to be loud, especially if you understand that the keys do not need to be pressed hard, as it was the case before. I am using a 2018 model. I cannot judge though how loud the keyboard is on older models.
It's 2019; when is Apple going to give us 120hz screens on Macs? They already delivered 120hz to the iPad a while back. Again, Tim Cook clearly has little love for the Mac.
I'm sure there are people who like it, I however hate mine and wish they would offer a 15" full port model without it.
First off the lack of actual keys and tactile feel means you often miss, that's true of all the Fn keys which I hit reliably on a real keyboard and particularly of ESC which I use all the time and miss more often than I would like. It's also an odd experience to have a keyboard with two different feels depending on what you're pressing.
Secondly in order to use the touch bar as intended, with pretty icons or even word completions, you have to look at it, absorb the information and then press. That's always slower than just finishing typing the word or using a shortcut or even the trackpad. The very nature of the product, with information which moves and changes dynamically, away from where you're looking (the screen) is the opposite of how a keyboard is used (by me) where I never have to look at it.
And finally I found that very few apps actually did anything useful with it, perhaps that's changed now, I don't know as I fixed mine to Fn keys after becoming frustrated with it and having more apps which just want Fn keys anyway. I didn't see much developer support for it and even the apple apps seemed to be trying to find things to do and ended up just being gimmicky. There are apps I wish used it, eg programming IDEs where the Fn keys switch usage depending on the mode and I don't always remember which Fn key has a particular function if I don't use it often. That kind of simple, mode-specific, occasional key re-capping might be useful.
I disabled 2 of the cores in my 2018 15" (and use Turbo Boost Switcher) to keep it cooler whenever I'm doing something intensive like video transcoding. Runs around 70F without turbo at sustained loads.
No point in an 8 core, I'd end up disabling half of them.
Still treasure my 2013 16Gb/1TB SSD and never felt the need to be faster. Better yet, the old one has SD card and good keyboard
LESS complaints from this crowd? Hardly! This is where the complaint department goes to complain about the complaint department.
This thread still has yet to hear from the cream of the crop of complainers, but I expect to see the old standbys will be here momentarily. I think they were caught off guard by this announcement.
RE: USB-C ports...honestly, people hate change, no matter how many times they yap about wanting innovation or something new. Apple just gave them something new in the form of 9th Generation CPUs a month after Intel announced them and the Piss and Moan brigade outnumbers the cheerleaders 10-to-1...but go back to June 9th, 2018 after Apple failed to release any 6-core 8th Gen updates to the MacBook Pros and all you heard was, "Where are the 6-cores? "Why hasn't Apple released new MacBook Pros yet?" "These CPUs were released in April...typical Apple falling behind, screwing us again." "Apple has zero commitment to the Mac!" Ad infinitum.
Now...BAM...Apple releases 8-core CPUs and a refreshed keyboard and it's, "What, Apple left out this and that?" "Those prices!" "Lower the price and get rid of the Touch Bar" "Bet those 8-cores throttle!" "What! No new GPUs?" "Wait, this means the 16" is not coming out this year! $#^&@! Apple" "What, no Ice Lake? Lame."
Good grief! The more of those people migrate to PCs, the better. There is absolutely ZERO Apple can do to please this contingent. Apple has made it plain and clear which way they are going with the MacBook Pro.
* No SD Card slot
* No MagSafe
* No user replaceable DRAM or SSD (DRAM went away in 2012, so I am not sure why this is still being brought up).
* No USB-A
* No HDMI
* No 2012-2015 keyboard mechanism
* No smaller TrackPad
We're four (4) iterations in and it is what it is...the 2012-2015 are not magical unicorns that never breakdown or don't suddenly take a crap. They do, and I have the signed Apple Service Agreements and the credit card receipts to prove it. The 2012-2015 keyboard is pretty darn good, but it's spongy and the keys jiggle more that I would like them to...still, a good keyboard. The 2012-2015 could heat up with the best of them, maybe not Core i9 levels, but it got hot...still, nothing gets hot like a Mid 2010 Core i7 27" iMac. It's a nice MacBook Pro and probably one of the better ones. However, I can still remember how much people hated it when it came out and the non-Retina went away along with the 17" MBP.
The oh so familiar refrain, "Why couldn't Apple just put the Retina display in the current MacBook Pro, it doesn't need to be thinner!" "What will we do without a CD-ROM drive or Firewire or a full size ethernet port that I never use, but might need to once in a blue moon!" "Why do I care about thinner or lighter, its supposed to be a Pro laptop!"
There was wailing and gnashing of teeth for quite a while. Screen delaminations, overheated GT650Ms that couldn't keep up with the Retina Display, puffy batteries, AHT reports of bad SSDs that prove to be nothing, weird video issues, spontaneous shutdowns, et al.
The Circle Will Never Be Broken!
This is a HUGE problem. My 2018 MBP's keyboard sometimes misses keystrokes, but is SO LOUD.
There are already 802.11ax access points on the market. But the new MacBook Pros, which run over $4,700 with the eight-core i9, 32 GB memory, Vega 20, and 2 TB of storage...still only support 802.11.ac. I mean come on. Man, Timmy is CHEAP!
And as I won't be running my new MBP atop a mountain of dry ice, I suspect it will never run at full speed.
And as I won't be running my new MBP atop a mountain of dry ice, I suspect it will never run at full speed.
It's a 4th gen in all but name. A materials change is still a change and an acknowledgement that something is awry. I think you are being awfully optimistic that computers with the other versions of the butterfly keyboard will be getting this version if they are replaced in servicing (or even to expect it to be put in current computers from the factory from here on out). People anticipated that when each new version of the butterfly keyboard was introduced, and yet no older version of the butterfly keyboard has ever been replaced by a newer version in servicing.
For me, it’s not even that the keyboards were more prone to failures. My biggest complaint is the keyboard itself and that stupid Touch Bar. The way it feels on the finger tips is terrible compared to the 2015 models and the Touch Bar is and always will be a gimmick. Just because you CAN do it, doesn’t mean you should... I really hope they don’t decide to go all touch on future keyboards... the fact that people are so accepting of the Touch Bar makes me feel like Apple will drum up the “courage” to go full touch...