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Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard
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No, I have a 2015.
Are you disputing my comments? I was agreeing with you. The problem doesn’t exist.
If Apple did not include the 2019 in that program, the very next post in this forum would be, "I don't see the 2019 mentioned, is it covered too? Scared to buy one until Apple says its covered...does anyone know, really want an 8-core, but terrified of the keyboard dying. What is Apple thinking, are they stupid? Please tell me soon."
Apple took the smart route and headed off any concerns before they were voiced. If that's a cluster**k to you, well, that's on you.
macOS has lost its shine for me. The whole idea of a traditional laptop feels very dated at this point. I’m looking forward to the transition to Apple’s own ARM chips and some interesting new form factors. At that point, I’m hoping they tighten the OS up, or just use iOS instead.
I am sure a problem exists with people slobbing food over their computers day in and day out. But it hasn't happened to anyone that has posted in this thread. As I have pointed out several times.
That's all I could spot as well. Seems as though 9th Gen U-series processors don't exist yet, which basically makes this the same kind of slight spec bump as has been seen in such Apple Notebook releases as the Late 2011 MacBook Pros, the Early 2013 MacBook Pros, and the Mid 2014 MacBook Pros, albeit, this time that solely applies to the 13" model. The 15" model seems to at least get a nice CPU bump and 9th generation Intel parts.
I get the feeling that all of this is why there are now-rampant rumors of the switch to ARM.
as you can see they have improved the thermal design.
And neither will I.
Not paying these kind of prices for a laptop that's eye-wateringly expensive to repair/change battery outside of warranty. Can't upgrade any of the internals either, so you end up having to pay the insane Apple-tax from the start if you want to future-proof the thing for years to come. So on top of the already steep base-line price you have to add various painful BTO options and Apple Care (and hope any repairs fall within that short period).
Still curious to see what the reviewers out there make of it. Will it once again throttle/get too hot/loud to be comfortable? Will the T2 chip cause havok yet again? Keyboard failures imminent once more? Too many reservations about this design to even think about upgrading. Nice try Apple. I'm really pleased to see you are at least spec bumping your Macs more frequently again. But you'll have to come up with a better overall design than this if you want my money. This generation of your laptops has been so disappointing on so many levels for so long now.
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I disagree about the bit about the traditional laptop. But I think the quest Apple has been on, since Mac OS X Lion was still in production, to make the Mac run more and more like iOS under the hood has resulted in the Mac becoming less and less of what it was up until that point and more like an iPad Pro with all of the user-facing features of a traditional Mac. I agree that the switch to ARM could at least end that transition and the dust might be able to finally settle such that the Mac isn't in a state of transition, but the end product will still feel less like a fully functional computer that we once had earlier on.
So to be clear, if Apple doesn't update the Mac, they're ignoring it.
If they DO update the Mac, they did it wrong by changing the one thing users still came to Apple for.
If they keep the price point, they're overcharging for an old design (we haven't rearranged QWERTY in over 100 years!)
If they raise the price, they are driving off their last customers.
If they lower the price, they are bailing on the pro market and no one will take them seriously.
Does that sum it up? Can we just add this list to all future Mac news and ban any complaints that do not affect a statistically significant number of users?
If they DO update the Mac, they did it wrong by changing the one thing users still came to Apple for.
If they keep the price point, they're overcharging for an old design (we haven't rearranged QWERTY in over 100 years!)
If they raise the price, they are driving off their last customers.
If they lower the price, they are bailing on the pro market and no one will take them seriously.
Does that sum it up? Can we just add this list to all future Mac news and ban any complaints that do not affect a statistically significant number of users?
That’s amazing. Very cool how you managed to figure that out. I don’t even remember being questioned but I guess you have access to some sort of super cool database and can determine who owns which devices and how they’re working.
Amazing stuff. Keep up the good work. I hope you pass your findings to Apple so they can correct their position too and wind down the silly keyboard program. Not like they need further negative press.
People prefer periodic updates, because it sends a message that Apple pays attentions and still takes the platform seriously. I hate it when there are no updates for years. Also a lot of people hold back their purchases because they're waiting for the next update. This happened with the iMac, I wanted one, but not the 18-month old design, and not the iMac Pro, either. Then finally the refresh came. Sure, a redesign is more exciting, but a refresh is better than nothing. Yeah the keyboard is a shame, and the CPU will throttle, but that's not going to change until MacBooks come with ARM, or Intel radically changes their architecture. It's probably not possible to be x86 compatible and cool at the same time.
Thank you. And maybe you can continue pretending that you have been so hard done by with all of these keyboard problems. It has happened to you so many times you must make a stand... Right? Lol
Well, mostly it's because I got a significant discount through my employer, and returning it means a whole hassle of getting the discount credited back to me. Sure, the processor bump is great, but again, I won't be pushing it to the limits making music. I've got to go pretty crazy with plugins and tracks to even crank the fan on this thing. I mostly went with this model for the increased screen real estate and RAM over what I had been working with.
Welcome back after six years not posting, and thanks for proving my point.
No, hasn’t happened to me, I already posted that.
I guess your data isn’t up to date after all.
Starting to feel that way too. Originally the difference between macOS and Windows was huge and macOS was clearly superior. Now I'm not so sure. Windows is a lot better than it used to be. The appeal of macOS for me is its integration into the ecosystem, but even that isn't perfect. Now they're porting neutered iOS apps onto macOS without touch functionality and I just don't get it. It's beginning to be the case that the main advantage the laptop has over an iPad Pro is its trackpad/cursor, but now I'm even hearing that there may be mouse support in iOS 13. So then why get a laptop?
I think a powerhouse desktop is still worth it for pros, but for the average user I'm starting to find the laptop with macOS less and less appealing.
iOS feels innovative, with significant updates adding more functionality. It feels like the future. macOS feels like a relic of the past.
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It’s interesting because Lion was about when I started to transition away from macOS to iOS. In their efforts to make the Mac more like an iPad Pro, they actually pushed a customer to iOS instead. It’ll be interesting to see where it all goes, but I have been disappointed with the quality of macOS for a few years now. I’m hoping the move to ARM comes with a new OS, but I doubt it.
For every person who makes a reasonable criticism of Apple, there's an AAPL shareholder/die-hard fan ready to tell you why you're wrong to feel that way. So I'm not sure your made-up "factor of 100x" is all too reliable.
There's a problem when reviewers, both individual and corporate, have had high rates of failure in the limited time they've had test models; when Apple has to keep making changes every year to the design to fix the same recurring problem; when Apple has to have repair programs; when Apple is working to reduce the down-time due to the high rates of keyboard repairs.
It's hardly fair to write-off valid complaints as mere "envy." It's a cheap dismissal based on nothing but your own feelings.
Exactly. It never happened. So you aren't talking from experience. It seems me saying this 5 times isn't getting through to you. Your data is from other people who have never had a problem either. By all means keep posting nonsense about things you have no experience with. I am laughing because I have yet to see one person on here who has actually experienced a problem themselves. Just a bunch of people with old machines trying to justify why they shouldn't buy a new one.