Any chance they will re design the macbook pro? Get rid of that huge bezel..........
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Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard
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All true, but we are talking a workstation class device:
Performance may well be more relevant than battery (hence the 8 core)
No one forces 4k on the customer -but it should be offered as optional upgrade
Apart from that, I don't know what causes the low battery runtime on many 4K notebooks, but the fact that the iPad Pro can push out 671 Megapixel per second with ease while a MacBook pro only renders 311MP/s tells me that it certainly is not impossible to achive a good battery runtime. I would almost blame intel for their bad GPUs but nowadays it's AMD GPUs in the notebooks. Anyway, both of them should* handle a 4K desktop at 60Hz basically at idle. Since laptop displays technically should support variable refresh rate [eDP, the internal display connection, does that for years, long before Gsync came up] they could go down to 30Hz during certain activites (watching a movie or static display like reading text). In that case rendering efforts would drop by 50% to almost nothing, and actually to the same as a Macbook Pro 15" right now at 60Hz.
That leaves the option that the currently installed UHD panels are maybe bad quality or the fact that they typically come as glossy touch display -not just a different panel.
Under the bottom line I would expect a 4K screen to consume like 20-30% more power in backlighting due to higher pixel density. On the overal device (including the rest of the hardware) that should remain at 20-30% due to a little more computing power required and the fact that a screen might result in different usage pattern (streaming UHD content instead of FHD content -which potentiall needs 4 times the bandwith, both on the WiFi transceiver and decoding performance on the GPU).
*I wouldn't be surprised if there's some driver bug or Windows bug... I remember the problem on old desktop GPUs with high idle clock when there were 3 displays connected, i.e. idle power was always through the roof. (nVidia 970 iirc)
Anyway, that's just my understanding of "UHD battery issue". That may or may not be complete or correct...
That's nice. You are one in how many million? Don't you think if there was not a major issue with these keyboards that Apple wouldn't have (so far) went through 4 revisions of it in how many years?
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That is pure speculation. And, even if they were, we do not yet know the reliability of this "new and improved" keyboard revision.
I miss Macrumors circa 2003, it was a lot more positive! I have a 2014 MBP and my partner has a 2017 15”. Her keyboard is flawless and there’s a lotta avocado toast and corresponding crumbs near that thing! Also I disliked the touchbar at first but it’s fine. Looking forward to picking one of these up, or the next version, whatever is available in 2020 when I pull the trigger.
Another thing I miss about Macrumors 2003 is that guy DuffMan that would help people with tech questions and then end every post with “Oh Yeah!” Hahaha.
Another thing I miss about Macrumors 2003 is that guy DuffMan that would help people with tech questions and then end every post with “Oh Yeah!” Hahaha.
2016 - Apple store staff at 3 locations I visit periodically all deny issues
2017..
2018..
2019 - they openly admit the new keyboards are a disaster and "the repair rooms are full of them"
also a large corporate with 1000s of MacBook Pros in the fleet have reported MTTF (mean-time-to-failure) for keyboard issues is 3 months for all laptops
2017..
2018..
2019 - they openly admit the new keyboards are a disaster and "the repair rooms are full of them"
also a large corporate with 1000s of MacBook Pros in the fleet have reported MTTF (mean-time-to-failure) for keyboard issues is 3 months for all laptops
With the cooling issues inherent in high core cpu's, it becomes near impossible to design a thin lightweight laptop with adequate ventilation and fans. I have a System76 Oryx Pro 15 laptop which weighs in at 5.5 lbs, compared to a MBP 15 coming in at 4.2 lbs. The Oryx Pro has ventilation all along sides and base, so even with 6 cores (8th gen i7) and an NVIDIA GTX 1060 gpu in action, it runs typically in the 40-60 C temperature range. If I run a CPU/GPU testing with Geekbench, the cpu cores run 70-85 C under extreme loads. I'm perfectly fine with the extra weight needed to support the high performance hardware. I think for 8 or more cores, I'd restrict myself to desktops, sort of like the old Apple Mac Pro line used to offer. I rarely have need for the highest performance when on the move with a laptop.
A lot of us disgruntled long time Apple customers miss those days as well. Sixteen years, especially the last 8 or so, have seen much change.
Exactly. You have never had a problem personally so you should probably stick to things you have experience with.
I am the last person who wants to jump on any bandwagons like that but I have a 2018 2.9ghz 6 core and it cannot sustain anything close to advertised speeds when running something like a video conversion for a few minutes. Its still fast, but its not where it should be.
Exactly. I mentioned this earlier. The big mouths talking about problems with the keyboard have never owned one.
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Bullsh**. You are just making up nonsense.
Last summer the 2018 MBP was announced a few weeks after I bought the 2017 model. I complained to Apple and they immediately sent me the 2018 model and I sent back the 2017. It sounded like the policy applied to people who bought a computer within a month of the new model announcement.
Give it a try.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result
Example: This computer series.
Example: This computer series.
This MBP is already on the Keyboard Replacement Program and it hasn't even shipped yet. What a clusterf**k.
https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
The problem here is not one person that has posted in this thread has personally had a problem with their keyboard. In fact most of them have probably never even owned a MacBook Pro. So these comments have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Agreed. A small number for forum members really pulled one over Apple here. To the point the Apple even went as far as publicly commenting and implementing a keyboard replacement program, which I think we’d all agree is totally unneeded as nobody has any problems with the keyboard at all.
It’s pretty funny that such a well orchestrated campaign has been so blindly misunderstood by Apple and they’ve fallen into this trap.
There’s nothing at all wrong with the butterfly keyboard. The program by Apple is just because they didn’t check their own returns, and because a handful of people tweeted and posted about the issue without even owning a butterfly keyboard.
MacRumors - you should be ashamed.
I own two 2016 MacBook Pros (don’t ask) and I had a minor problem with the T key on one (felt flat and skipped a few times) and the V key on another (soft). I blew both keyboards out with canned air in the prescribed fashion and things have been peachy ever since. I try not to eat near any of my laptops (iPad Pro is a different matter, since I have the Smart Keyboard), but the occasional crumb has made it by me. Given the number of MacBook Pros that Apple sells in a given quarter, I think the problem is real, but I don't think it is as catastrophic as the users on this forum make it out to be. If it was, I can guarantee you the loudest voices would drown out the people on the MacRumors Forums by a factor of 100x. Again, I really prefer the scissors keys in the Magic Keyboard w/Numeric Keypad and I hope Apple makes accommodation for those in the next iteration of the MacBook/Pro/Air. There is just a certain harshness to the keys that typing on all day reminds me of beating on the glass keyboard of an iPad before external keyboards became prevalent. Not as bad, but fatiguing after a while. I hate the mushiness of the 2012-2015 MacBook Pro keyboard, but I can type on it all day without the same level of "soreness" at the tips of my fingers after 4-5 hours.
I think my wish would be that people on the forums here could acknowledge that the keyboard isn't as bad as they claim it is, but after 4 years of this sort of stridency, that's a lost cause. I also doubt that anything Apple does is going to ameliorate those users, as I think the most vocal about the things they "lost" (SD, USB-A, HDMI, MagSafe) are way more pissed off about the price than any of those other things, at the end of the day. I have been buying PowerBook and MacBooks since the early 90's and so the pricing that I see is nothing especially crazy, but if you are used to paying $700-$800 for some POS Windows laptop that lasts a couple of years, I guess I can see how Apple's pricing might put people off. I think it drives them all a little nuts with envy more than anything. That's why so many want that light up Apple on the display and the startup chime back. They want people to know what they got, even if they deny it here like the plague.
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