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SSD upgrade pricing is still out of this world. I wonder what they are thinking.

Huh. To go from 256GB SSD to 512GB SSD on the base 15" its an additional $200.

(Heads over to Dell) Same +$200 to get to 512GB SSD......
(Heads over to Lenovo) +$210 to get to a 512GB SSD......
(Heads over to HP) +$237 to get to a 512GB SSD.....

I think I might be seeing a pattern here.........
Can't quite put my finder on it.......
 
That is a 40% improvement for the 45 to 60 seconds it takes to complete the benchmark (and heat up the CPU). If you really need the CPU performance you're using the wrong computer. Thermal throttling will knock that back significantly.
I meannnn to me that's just crazy if you would rather keep a 2018 machine over a 2019 for a 20 minute drive. We don't know specifics on how the power will be managed so you're just guessing.
 
I'd love to upgrade from my mid-2014 MPB but I'll have to carry around a SD card reader and I won't have MagSafe. I can't believe Apple has effectively downgraded these machines. MagSafe was perhaps the best idea Apple ever had and it has saved my laptop more than once.

I was hoping we'd see it come back. :(
 
Now the question is how long until the Mac mini gets this 8 core i9.
or am I being too optimistic given the track record of the Mac mini?
 
WWDC is 2 weeks away. We’re getting 14 days of hardware releases! :rolleyes:

But seriously, the fact that they’re putting out a new MacBookPro, by all means their flagship Mac product, in a press release a couple of weeks away from WWDC tells me that they want to save the stage for something bigger. I’m growing more confident in the prediction that the new Mac Pro will be shown.
So it's gonna be another 2.5 hour keynote => 2 hours on software and 30min dedicated to Mac Pro (One More Thing)
 
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That is pure speculation. And, even if they were, we do not yet know the reliability of this "new and improved" keyboard revision.

Apple's confirmed that third gen keyboard devices (e.g. 2018 MBPs) will be replaced by gen 3.1 keyboards if they fail.

This MBP is already on the Keyboard Replacement Program and it hasn't even shipped yet. What a clusterf**k.

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/

I find this reassuring and makes me a little more likely to buy a 2019 model. If I have issues out of warranty, I don't have to hope that Apple eventually extends the repair program; I know up front that it will be covered.

Now, I'd be much more reassured by a longer extended warranty. Four years from the date of purchase isn't that much - I expect my $3k devices to last longer than four years.

This is 2nd gen Coffee Lake. I suspect there could be another refresh in the fall. Ice Lake will be the real upgrade but these CPUs are definitely better than what they were selling just yesterday. Hopefully the octa-core i9 delivers solid performance gains. If anyone just bought a MBP less than 2 weeks ago, return it ASAP.

Ice Lake will be low power CPUs that might be good for the MacBook or Air line, but not for MBPs. Hopefully next year Intel will get some high performance 10nm CPUs out that are appropriate for the MBP, but given their issues I'm not holding my breath.

2. 2019 models are on the repair program.

3. Thermal issues not addressed.

4. Still using T2 chip, which is behind audio issues plaguing ALL 2018 (and now 2019) MBP models. We're on page 57 on a thread here. No fix, no admission of fault, no ETA.

5. An upgrade bump 1.5 months out from the yearly refresh date doesn't look like good news for an actual fixed redesign in 2019. Looks like I'm stuck on 2012 ancient hardware for another year or more.

2: As I said above, this is designed to reassure.

3: You're probably right but we'll need to wait for testing and teardowns to see whether any improvements have been made.

4: If there's an issue with the T2 chip, the 2019s are sure to carry the latest stepping of the T2 chip which is more likely to have a fix incorporated.

5. I still think there's a chance a redesign (maybe that 16" rumor) will launch in the Fall. Apple did something similar in 2012, where they had a minor refresh of the old models, then introduced the 15" retina, then rounded out the line with a 13" retina months later and then eventually discontinuing the old line.
 
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Do I need 8 cores? Probably not
Do I need 32Gb RAM? Probably not
Do I need a Vega video card? Probably not
Do I need 1TB storage? Prooooobaly not
Do I want all these options? Hell yeah!!!
Do I have money for this? Definitely not.
The only question that matters is the last one.
 
Starting to feel that way too. Originally the difference between macOS and Windows was huge and macOS was clearly superior. Now I'm not so sure. Windows is a lot better than it used to be. The appeal of macOS for me is its integration into the ecosystem, but even that isn't perfect. Now they're porting neutered iOS apps onto macOS without touch functionality and I just don't get it. It's beginning to be the case that the main advantage the laptop has over an iPad Pro is its trackpad/cursor, but now I'm even hearing that there may be mouse support in iOS 13. So then why get a laptop?

I think a powerhouse desktop is still worth it for pros, but for the average user I'm starting to find the laptop with macOS less and less appealing.

iOS feels innovative, with significant updates adding more functionality. It feels like the future. macOS feels like a relic of the past.
They're not porting neutered iOS apps to the Mac. They're effectively Mac Apps developed with UIKit
 
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Too late Apple. Now I know I can live without Mac OS, Windows 10 is as good and also laptops with touch screen and pen input are very useful. I also do not want to beta test the 4th gen butterfly keyboard.

windows 10 has matured over the years, it has become very likeable. works out of the box, but gives plenty of space for nerdiness, too.
touchscreen is one of the most welcomed features as windows hello with faceid - apple SUCKS!
 
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Does this mean no 16 inch model anytime soon?

its just a minor update, only changed to the new intel generation like on the imacs. Redesigned 16 inch could come later this year or next year
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Such a premium for a computer without an SD slot! There were no updates for months and then the Pro gets 3 updates in less than a year. I'd love one but I think I will wait for a model without a Touch Bar.

they have a cheap SD adapter, that works perfectly fine. rather use that than waste space for a sd slot that only use a few times
 
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windows 10 has matured over the years, it has become very likeable. works out of the box, but gives plenty of space for nerdiness, too.
touchscreen is one of the most welcomed features as windows hello with faceid - apple SUCKS!

I wish I could agree. Having used MacBooks since 2006, a year ago I transitioned to a Dell XPS 9370 13" out of work necessities. I do music production (Pro Tools, Ableton Live, Logic) on the side, plus a bit of laptop DJing. I can safely say it was horrendous. Issues with USB audio interfaces, drop outs, horrible display scaling issues (Windows HiDPI scaling has improved over the years in Windows 10 but is still broken, even MS admitted it needed a ground-up rewrite). Made using Ableton Live and Native Instruments Traktor clunky and fugly. and this was after implementing a bunch of audio-specific fixes which involved disabling half of Windows 10 which broke other stuff.

Going back to the 2018 MacBook Pro in October last year was the best thing I ever did. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. YMMV, but all those people wanting to transition to a Windows workflow would do well to try before buying!
 
Exactly. It never happened. So you aren't talking from experience. It seems me saying this 5 times isn't getting through to you. Your data is from other people who have never had a problem either. By all means keep posting nonsense about things you have no experience with. I am laughing because I have yet to see one person on here who has actually experienced a problem themselves. Just a bunch of people with old machines trying to justify why they shouldn't buy a new one.

My coworker's 2018 MBP 15" had to have the keyboard replaced last year.

If Apple are offering a free warranty of 4 years on Keyboards that only use the new style of keys, then I think it stands that they aren't where they should be.
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I've never understood people who say, "but you can just return it to get it fixed for free."
That's a massive PITA. So, I'd rather it not break in the first place.
I don't know if the magic Keyboard is similar to the keyboards on the newer MBPs but I much prefer my 2013 MBP keyboard to it. My 2013kb definitely quieter and has a better feel to the magic keyboard for my iMac... for me.

I'd like to upgrade my 2013 mbp, but this iteration seems pretty uninspiring. I was hoping for FaceID to be added at a minimum. For the price, it's poor value for money compared to when I bought my 2013, my 2009, my Ti etc.
 
I’ve been waiting on a spec bump, but I much prefer the 13” form factor over the 15”.

However now it seems the performance gap between the 13” & 15” is even bigger with this update.

The 15” now has a newer gen processor, as well as all the previous advantages of the 15” like the discrete graphics card.

Mostly this doesn’t affect me day to day, but I do use Parallels a bit as well as video editing time to time.

Considering getting the 15” now over the 13”, just feels bang for buck going to be getting better deal, much newer tech.

Is it really going to make a difference day to day?

Interested to hear some thoughts.
 
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If they had throttling issues with the 2018 6-core machines, I can't imagine with 8-cores it'll be any better. Can't wait to see some real world tests that I'm sure will be out very soon.
 
I'd love to upgrade from my mid-2014 MPB but I'll have to carry around a SD card reader and I won't have MagSafe. I can't believe Apple has effectively downgraded these machines. MagSafe was perhaps the best idea Apple ever had and it has saved my laptop more than once.

I was hoping we'd see it come back. :(
Even cameras are starting to move away from SD cards. It's convenient but doesn't really make a lot of sense to have such a specialist slot any more. Better to have a general purpose slot and a thumb sized adapter in your wires pouch.

The MagSafe connector was always a marketing thing. Again, nice to have but not really the basis for choosing a laptop.

Overall though, I'd agree with the general consensus that the "nice to have" product differentiators that added a certain sparkle to Apple laptops - in comparison with other makes - are steadily being reduced and removed.
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So Apple officially is saying that even the 2019 can have keyboard failure !!
Anything can fail. It would be stupid to say otherwise.
 
Now the question is how long until the Mac mini gets this 8 core i9.
or am I being too optimistic given the track record of the Mac mini?
I think the mini could well be updated; the iMac was.

But Intel hasn’t released any 9th gen 65W Mobile processors yet, only the 45W H-class. So there’s currently no upgrade possible. The 8100B/8500B/8700B are the newest available.
 
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