Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard

[recoil80]

Does this mean no 16 inch model anytime soon?

I think it means no hardware at WWDC, except (maybe) for a sneak peak of the new Mac Pro.
They've done the same this spring by announcing hardware the week before their event. I guess the 16'' will be a fall product, but it may very well be released in 2020.
Let's hope the keyboard problem is fixed for good this time

 

[gnasher729]

windows 10 has matured over the years, it has become very likeable. works out of the box, but gives plenty of space for nerdiness, too.
touchscreen is one of the most welcomed features as windows hello with faceid - apple SUCKS!

You say touch screen, I say gorilla arm.

 

[Ishayu]

> Makes laptop that breaks all the time due to heat issues
> Puts 2 more cores with the same chassis
> Makes new keyboard that feels the same, calls customers overly happy
> Still bad GPU's (why isn't Vega 20 standard?!)
> Expects 25000kr for it
> nty

This is getting surreal. :/

 

[fokmik]

Yea

Even cameras are starting to move away from SD cards. It's convenient but doesn't really make a lot of sense to have such a specialist slot any more. Better to have a general purpose slot and a thumb sized adapter in your wires pouch.

The MagSafe connector was always a marketing thing. Again, nice to have but not really the basis for choosing a laptop.

Overall though, I'd agree with the general consensus that the "nice to have" product differentiators that added a certain sparkle to Apple laptops - in comparison with other makes - are steadily being reduced and removed.
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Anything can fail. It would be stupid to say otherwise.

but this tine apple show you official in advance “2019 also in the prgram”

 

[tjedora]

13" model still with the old CPUs... :-/

 

[fokmik]

“Anything can fail. It would be stupid to say otherwise.”
Yea stupid to think that apple by putting even the 2019 IN ADVANCE without any complaints from customers for 4 years warranty is stupid to think “anything can fail”
I wonder why apple doesnt offer 4 years for cpu gpu hinge etc..
I hope you understood now
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13" model still with the old CPUs... :-/

There are no 9th gen for the 13” yet
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Overall though, I'd agree with the general consensus that the "nice to have" product differentiators that added a certain sparkle to Apple laptops - in comparison with other makes - are steadily being reduced and removed.
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Anything can fail. It would be stupid to say otherwise.

Because of customers like you, who are def Apple with stupid statements, we are still on our 4 year with the same faulty keyboard

 

[ani4ani]

And at those prices, they are a total steal. Said no one ever.

..well maybe for Apple!

 

[Grey Area]

You say touch screen, I say gorilla arm.

I think the fear of the gorilla arm is greatly exaggerated. It may be a problem when working with a large, vertically standing screen, such as an info terminal in the mall.

But on a laptop, and that is what the original poster was writing about, the screen angle can be adjusted, and the elbows can rest on the table. Toughbooks have had touchscreens for over 20 years, it works very well for many use cases. Handling a touchscreen on a tablet differs little from one on a laptop - in particular when it is a tablet with a keyboard case attached.

Frankly, I think the gorilla arm is a bit of an excuse to not have to figure out how to make MacOS work with touch.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Still waiting for Apple to put a proper GPU in the 13 inch models.

 

[throAU]

While not my favorite keyboard, it works for me and many, many others. I’ll gladly trade it for the Magic Keyboard scissors mechanism, but that means a thicker chassis and Apple is not done paying for this chassis yet, I’m afraid.

Problem is, whether they're done paying for the design or not, they are pushing 3+ years of dodgy keyboards now, and even if you purchased one of the last of the good keyboard machines, you're starting to be over-due for machine replacement.

Essentially Apple's entire macbook userbase are either well out of date (due to waiting for this issue to be resolved) or on **** keyboards.

Apple have hundreds of billions in the bank, they can afford to take the hit on this.

What they can't afford is to throw their user-base under the bus, to the degree where they leave. Because once I leave the mac ecosystem, i've lost the integration which is a large part of why i am willing to pay the apple premium. Without it, i may as well buy other smart devices.

I'm sure i am not alone; example all of the "leaving apple" threads here as of late.

I'm personally responsible for getting at least 4-5 others into the apple ecosystem via my recommendation in the past. They're all currently apple customers and look to people like me for purchasing advice. I haven't been recommending macbooks for at least 18 months now. Previously "Macbook" was the default response for any non-gaming user.
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No touch bar. Resurrect SD, HDMI and Magsafe. Make it thicker, with the old (working) keyboard.
and you've got a winner.

Whilst i disagree with the general idea of running a hackintosh, you could get pretty close with a 13" machine from system76

 

[teejaysplace24]

Such a premium for a computer without an SD slot! There were no updates for months and then the Pro gets 3 updates in less than a year. I'd love one but I think I will wait for a model without a Touch Bar.

People, stop holding your breath for a moment that isn't coming. Every single thread about the MBP has at least one guy like this. Apple has invested in the touch bar. If you don't like it, don't use it. They're not going to placate a tiny percentage of the computer market by releasing a special pro machine just for you, so you can claim to your friends that you saved $100 by forcing Apple's hand and getting them to ditch a feature you didn't like. Either accept the touch bar or get a PC.

 

[RD_SF]

Have to agree. Not sure why they’re so resistant to going back to prior kbs that so many liked.

Going back to the previous keyboards (which are amazing) would "thicken" the MBP and make the lack of USB-A ports rather conspicuous. I love USB-C, but the current design definitely has the thickness to accomodate a legacy USB-A port and SD card reader.

 

[ir0n]

The CPUs Apple is using for the 15" MacBook Pro are the Core i9-9880H (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...9880h-processor-16m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html), the Core i9-9980HK (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...980hk-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html) and Core i7-9850H (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...9850h-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html)

All of them offer Hyper-threading 8c/16t or 6c/12t.

Which is kind of pointless considering Apple's full mitigation for MDS vulns. Full mitigation disable Hyper-threading and your performance is down by 40% (according to Apple's doc).
Consider it before getting any new Mac (or PC, same happens with all Intel CPUs)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210108

 

[Resseh]

I think the fear of the gorilla arm is greatly exaggerated. It may be a problem when working with a large, vertically standing screen, such as an info terminal in the mall.

Frankly, I think the gorilla arm is a bit of an excuse to not have to figure out how to make MacOS work with touch.

Yep, totally agree. The Microsoft Surface Studio is a dream to work on in draft mode when using a pen or general touch. I keep hoping Apple borrows the ideal for their next iMac.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Apple have hundreds of billions in the bank, they can afford to take the hit on this.

...

What they can't afford is to throw their user-base under the bus, to the degree where they leave. Because once I leave the mac ecosystem

There is no company in the world with hundreds of billions in a bank. Available cash is much less than you think.

If you want to leave the macOS ecosystem because you wont allow your finers to adapt 1.5mm for a keyboard, you were never a a true macOS user in the first place. Someone who knows how to use macOS wouldn't leave it for another OS that doesn't have Finder Labels (super important when working with groups of networked users), easy color profiling, hassle free HDR support, Quick Look and so on. The equivalent of these things on Windows and Linux are many years behind. The Windows File Explorer is primitive.

 

[Music Ambulance]

Well DAMN. Five days out of my return window.

try anyway

 

[brenton289]

16 or 16.5-inch is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

 

[fyun89]

16 or 16.5-inch is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

Explain?

 

[DNichter]

I'm truly interested in this new paradigm of Apple users that feel that iOS is superior to laptops, mainly because I honestly don't understand it.

Laptops are (in my opinion, of course) far more flexible than iPads in most scenarios, due to the integrated keyboard and multitouch trackpads (Apple RULES here). They're so thin and light now (a 1lb difference is negligible IMHO), they can connect to everything, the IO is flexible as heck, and integrate into existing infrastructures easier. They have, in many cases, more horsepower, run full vs mobile apps, and in my mind offer a better bang-for-the-buck overall.

Why add a keyboard and mouse to the iPad? If you're going to have but ONE machine, "just get a Mac", I say.

But like I said, I'm truly interested in hearing "non-drawing" use cases where an iOS device is superior without trying to turn it into a laptop.

One scenario I can think of is when one of my kids said they typed a paper on their (albeit Android) phone, because they can thumb-type faster than they can type regulary (and they aren't touch-typists). However, when it's time to get any other school project done, they head straight for the iMac or one of the MBPs I own, and ignore the 3 iPads in the house.
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I need to check my privacy settings, because you were able to articulate EXACTLY how I feel about Apple today.

Hopefully, you won't be able to see my browser history before I clear it!

Everyone is different when it comes to what works best for them so I certainly understand if an iPad/iOS isn’t for you, but I have found it to be an extremely flexible do it all device for me. Some aspects I find better are performance, battery life, overall costs, zero upkeep, app selection, portability, collaboration, updates, and overall simplicity. On top of that, it’s the best consumption device I have used and I like having just two devices that operate the exact same way. Adding mouse/trackpad support would be great for certain productivity apps, but it wouldn’t make it like a Mac to me, just a more advanced iPad. I see the future as much brighter for iOS and the iPad than I do macOS and the Mac so I am happy to adopt my workflows now and allow for a better level of flexibility in my position than I had with the Mac.

 

[manni]

It's certainly good that we get any updated hardware as it's not in Cook's nature to do anything except try to squeeze profits and he prefers to do it without updated hardware where he can.

It's predictable that they haven't (so far as I can see, please let me know if wrong) altered any of the upgrade pricing, despite component prices falling. That has been one of the key ingredients to the colossal sums of money apple makes. I don't know how much longer they will be able to get away with that though as the market continues to mature but I suppose unlike phones with macs they are happy to be a niche player in the big scheme of things.

I think the heating issue probably means any gains from the new chips won't make that much real world difference. Will await the tests.

I wonder if we are now back to "normal" with the Mac mini left behind An 8 core processor would make more sense in that I think, married to an egpu it would make a little powerhouse.

 

[iBluetooth]

I'll believe it after the new keyboard has been out 6 months to a year. People thought the 2nd gen butterfly keyboard would be the fix... it wasn't. People thought the 3rd gen would be the fix ... it wasn't. Forgive me for having doubts about the 4th gen. This should at least shut those up who denied the 3rd gen still had issues. Apple would not be making this 4th attempt if there weren't still issues with the 3rd.

At least is should improve in each iteration. I'm sure they improved it, because it costs them a lot to offer these free keyboard upgrades.

 

[Harvey Zoltan]

Judging by the comments on this story I'm assuming that 95% of the people here will be moving onto a Windows PC where they can live happily ever after at no cost.

 

[SidricTheViking]

Really surprised that tech sites have ignored similar spec bumps for the iMac line. https://www.apple.com/ie/imac/specs/
Are these not as newsworthy for some reason?

 

[throAU]

If you want to leave the macOS ecosystem because you wont allow your finers to adapt 1.5mm for a keyboard, you were never a a true macOS user in the first place. Someone who knows how to use macOS wouldn't leave it for another OS that doesn't have Finder Labels (super important when working with groups of networked users), easy color profiling, hassle free HDR support, Quick Look and so on. The equivalent of these things on Windows and Linux are many years behind. The Windows File Explorer is primitive.

Nice assumption.

I'm not complaining about the keyboard usability.

I'm complaining about the reliability.

A machine that needs to be returned 3 times in a month (a friend of mine's - he's the worst luck in my sample of friends, but he's not the only one who's had keyboard failure) due to a design defect is not a viable work machine.

Even if repairs are free - I NEED THIS MACHINE TO DO MY JOB


None of the features you mention matter a toss, if i can't use the machine because it is in for repair!

Yes, i love macOS. No i don't want to leave. But there is currently ZERO viable portable machines to run it on.

 

[SBlue1]

The MagSafe connector was always a marketing thing. Again, nice to have but not really the basis for choosing a laptop.

What? MagSafe was the single best invention Apple had since the original mouse.