Uhhh maybe because the old one sucks? Thermal throttling on a 6 core, how about 8 core with the same design?
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Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard
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The fact that they hose to release this update just 1 month before WWDC would suggest that we won't see anything from the MacBook Pro line during WWDC. It also suggests that the 16" version that we've heard about may come out during WWDC or shortly afterwards in 2019. I wouldn't look too much into the update of the MacBook Pro. It's just a update because intel finally came out with the 8 core H processors.
We won't see Ice Lake H until later this year so I don't expect this next gen laptop until then. Ice Lake H is really what you want for future proofing. Wifi 6, 10nm, potentially 10 core mobile processor. It's not a surprise why Apple would need to completely redesign the laptop for that platform.
We won't see Ice Lake H until later this year so I don't expect this next gen laptop until then. Ice Lake H is really what you want for future proofing. Wifi 6, 10nm, potentially 10 core mobile processor. It's not a surprise why Apple would need to completely redesign the laptop for that platform.
Point by point:
People won't "whine" about the keyboards if they work well; they'll whine if they don't.
People won't "moan" if their multi-core, expensive i9 cpu doesn't throttle; they will moan if it does.
People won't get "juvenile" if the laptop can be made thin without loss of function - more ports, non-fraying display cables, for example.
People won't moan over dongles if adequate ports make dongles unnecessary, particularly when traveling extensively with the computer.
Yes, I would like the "pro" models to be thick enough for USB ports, SD card readers, reliable keyboards with more travel, and MagSafe.
I only want i9 multi-core functionality if it can be adequately cooled; otherwise, i7 is okay for a portable computer.
I am disappointed with Apple; I have gone with different manufacturers that are compatible with Linux (System76, Dell, and HP currently); I appreciate that my laptops are "festooned" with USB A/C ports, an SD card reader, and a headphone jack (when USB A and SD card technology and wired headphones finally disappear, I'll go with whatever takes their places); I appreciate that my laptops have adequate ventilation and cooling capabilities. For me, it's worth the extra 1.5 lbs of weight. I have, over the last several years, taken the advice you offer. Apple has left me no choice.
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We'll see interesting benchmarks as soon these are out, hopefully.
And we'll see if these throttle as well or not, hopefully.
Unexpected though, and good point about no hardware at WWDC, maybe they just want to show a glimpse of the new Mac Pro and have all the hardware attentions on it?
And we'll see if these throttle as well or not, hopefully.
Unexpected though, and good point about no hardware at WWDC, maybe they just want to show a glimpse of the new Mac Pro and have all the hardware attentions on it?
Sure. https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/21/...-keyboard-problems-apple-repair-new-materials
Here's the relevant part:
Some current MacBook Pro 13-inch with Touch Bar and 15-inch customers that bring in their keyboards for repair will actually have their keyboards replaced with ones that have these new materials, Apple says. That will only happen for MacBooks that have the third-generation butterfly keyboard today: the 2018 models of the MacBook Pro and the new MacBook Air.
We must be looking at different specs. The BASE 15" has a 256SSD, not a 512, https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/...processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.5ghz-256gb
I can respect valuations like yours of iOS and the iPad. At least you don't proclaim that desktops have no relevance or future. When SJ envisioned a future of portable "book" PCs, he literally meant a book-like form factor. The MacBook (now you know the name's origin) was the best resemblance they could achieve at the time. The iPad is actually closer to what SJ imagined.
SJ was aware of a tablet form concept by Alan Kay (conceived in the 1970s as a computer for "kids of all ages"). It was intended to be an educational device. SJ had similar aspirations for Apple products but consumers in general want toys—not tools. iOS won't evolve into a MacOS replacement if doing so threatens to displease the masses who prefer minimalism and abhor work.
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I just looked at the comparable XPS 15 2-in-1 and the higher 15 MBP.
The SSD pricing is $200-$400 more on the same config.
Not to mention, it starts at $1,399, and maxes out at $2,459.99 (with a 2TB SSD).
The high end MBP15 STARTS at $2,799, and simply adding a 2TB SSD takes her up to $3,799.
That's over $1,300 difference. Are we really getting $1,300 worth of a better machine?
I used to not complain about MBP prices because they used to be a good value and the OS and trackpads were worth it, but this is getting out of hand, especially now that everything is soldered.
Now, if price is no object and we got deep pockets, well then this is all moot, no?
EDIT: on the XPS the SSD's are socketed. Meaning, you can upgrade them in the future. That makes them more valuable. On my 2011/2012 MBPs, I can upgrade to a 2TB SSD for $250.
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Between Tim's desire to charge more for less and Jony's desire to make everything as thin and light as possible, I don't hold a lot of hope that we'll ever get a thicker, heavier MacBook Pro with a larger screen, more ports, longer-lasting battery, and a CPU which isn't thermally compromised by the design.
Still loving my MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2012)
I got my
Four core
Seven years ago.
I got my
Four core
Seven years ago.
Ice Lake "H" (high performance mobile processors) have not been announced, only Ice Lake "U" (low power mobile processors). Ice Lake H hasn't been confirmed or even leaked AFAIK, but speculation is that it will probably arrive next year.
Here's an article which talks about Ice Lake U ramping up this year:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1427...tion-of-10nm-ice-lake-cpus-raises-10nm-volume
No, its not about believing in a company... Rather it's about owning, and using everyday, outstanding Apple products that delight 100% every time I use them. There's no way I'd ever go back to larger, thicker and heavier laptops with 20 year old I/O.
"there are MANY others who have seen the light and are realizing that Sir Jony Ive has taken the Macbooks/Pro down a dangerous path that may be a path to nowhere."
And there are many millions of satisfied customers who continue to purchase Apple products year after year after year.
You might be right. I can't think of anything else they invented (including the mouse).
To elaborate...currently there are no 45w TDP H-Series CPU on any of the various Intel Roadmaps that have been leaked. The latest one that I have seen - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-10nm-14nm-gpu-cpu,39163.html - shows Comet Lake H-Series with 8c/10c are still at 14nm and won't be released until Q2 of 2020. Obviously, things can and do change, but anyone looking for Ice Lake/Sunny Cove H-Series is going to be waiting for quite a while.
The only thing Intel is going to make a priority to make sure it has out the door for OEMs is going to be Ice Lake 15w TDP U-Series CPUs, which Apple does not use in anything but the 2017 nTB 13" MBP and base 21.5" iMac. The reason: Flashy new 10nm "10th Generation" 4c/8t CPUs power the vast majority of Windows laptops today and this is where the money is for OEMs going into the holiday season.
Bottom Line: Anyone waiting for Ice Lake/Sunny Cove 45w TDP H-Series or 28w TDP U-Series MacBook Pros is going to be waiting at least another year and possibly longer.
Bottom Bottom Line: Anyone waiting for the rumored 16" MacBook Pro has a long wait ahead of them.
Thank you for calling out Apple Insider for their mistake in reporting the new CPU’s for the 13”.
Everything you say is true, but the signs ARE out there concerning the MBP's. I'm sure you have seen the posts right here in MR.
I'd pay a very high price for a 17" that worked like the old 17".
For sure, traditional desktops and laptops will always have their place, but I think they will be almost exclusively be supported by the Pro market. The iPad does have the ability to cut into that as well over time with some easy changes on Apple's end. It's not for everyone though and I certainly respect that.
I remember watching a video of jobs talking about super thin tablet like clients that basically connected back to a hub (cloud) for all information/processing power. I think that the iPad is likely what he had envisioned.
What are differences between 2.3 and 2.4 quad core other than .01 ?
That and the new keyboard?
The current MacBook Pro is too thin to go back to any prior iteration keyboards and have adequate space for the logic board, have the lid close correctly and be flush and parrallel with the bottom chassis of the computer.
Simply making the current case thicker to accommodate a different mechanism means reworking the mounting points for the logic board, reworking the applications that control the CNC machines that mill the aluminum, testing the keyboard in the chassis that everything fit and finish wise is up to snuff. and is durable in that revised chassis. It may also mean the MacBook Pro has to be resubmitted for FCC approval. Then Apple has to get it into production, they have to rework the inner packaging to accommodate the thicker computer, announce it to the public and ship it out the door. It all takes time and I do not think Apple thinks that is a better use of time than simply add a rubber membrane and seeing if they can strengthen the weak link in the keyboard chain, which is a simple materials change that can be stress tested.
If we ignore the portion of the population that simply dislikes the keyboard feel and key travel, then you are left with the actual key and keyboard failures to troubleshoot. I expect that since Apple eats its own dog food, that corporate deployment of the MacBook Pro has netted them some sort of failure rate data that they applied and came up with the membrane as the most likely fix as the the data pointed to the cause being dust and at the point they added it to the 2018 MacBook Pro.
However, with the apparent issues the 2018 MacBook Pros and 2018 MacBook Airs are having, I think Apple realized that although the keyboard may meet certain durability targets, there is a longer term durability issue that can only be mitigated by strengthening the metal in the butterfly mechanism. For all we know, they may have had 2 or 3 suppliers for this mechanism and one of them was producing substandard materials as several people have said they have a 2016 they use everyday with no issues. I have had a couple of keys that felt off (one clickier, one mushier), but were fixed by gently blowing out the keyboards using Apple's tech article. Things have been fine ever since.
Hopefully, this most recent revision will actually take care of the durability issues. However, it does nothing to mitigate any dislike of the key travel or keyboard feel that many users (myself included) have express their opinion about. Any further major revisions of the keyboard or Apple moving back to some flavor of scissors style keyboard won't occur until the next chassis is designed and delivered.
That was a personal opinion on the state of the Mac. I wasn't trying to say that was the case for all users. I think both can exist where it makes the most sense, but I don't see them slowing down iPad/iOS development at all. The iPad still has so much more potential than we have today.